The Ogletree trade is just another sign, IMO, that the Giants are not taking a QB 2nd overall. Instead, they are focusing on putting the best possible roster around Eli Manning.
Teams who are taking a young QB usually don't trade draft picks to acquire players who are in the prime of their career. This is a win-now move, and I feel like the #2 pick will also be a win-now move rather than taking a rookie QB who is going to sit on the bench.
IMO, the pick is either going to be Barkley, Chubb, or possibly a trade down to 5 or 6 to grab Nelson, who likely won't come off the board until the Bucs pick otherwise.
I'm sure some will say this is an overreaction, but everything being reported by the media and said by the Giants brass has been that they won't take a QB.
Now, they move a 32 year old CB to FS instead of getting rid of him to clear cap space to sign younger players, and they trade 2 draft picks for a 26 year old LB who can help them immediately.
Agreed but I think it will be less likely if the Norwell rumors turn out to be true.
Then, I think it comes down to Barkley or Bradley Chubb.
Pretty sure we can rule out a trade down for Edmunds/Roquan
I think Denver at 5 is a real opportunity. No chance we trade with the Jets
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They'd get an absolute haul.
Agreed but I think it will be less likely if the Norwell rumors turn out to be true.
Then, I think it comes down to Barkley or Bradley Chubb.
Pretty sure we can rule out a trade down for Edmunds/Roquan
They need probably 3 new starters on the line. Nelson and Norwell could play together.
I would not trade back to 6. I would trade back to 4th then trade back to 6th after that. You could get a kings ransom. and be ready to rebuild this team and compete this year.
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In comment 13853937 Jon in NYC said:
Agreed - so many unknowns though. Cleveland could
Take Nelson at 4 - then who would we draft ?
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They'd get an absolute haul.
Agreed but I think it will be less likely if the Norwell rumors turn out to be true.
Then, I think it comes down to Barkley or Bradley Chubb.
Pretty sure we can rule out a trade down for Edmunds/Roquan
They need probably 3 new starters on the line. Nelson and Norwell could play together.
Sorry I should have phrased that better- but everything they've said has been hinting towards keeping Eli and building around him/not taking a QB.
-We believe Eli has years left
-That game vs. Philly was not a mirage
-We want to draft a hall of fame caliber player at #2
-We are going to take the best player available
-We graded Davis Webb out highly, we liked him in the 2017 NFL draft
The question is do they like Nelson enough to sacrifice their ability to add to their roster. I don't think of the colts as an offensive lineman away from being fixed.
I've heard a ton of people saying Chubb is the guy they should draft
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This would be news.
Sorry I should have phrased that better- but everything they've said has been hinting towards keeping Eli and building around him/not taking a QB.
-We believe Eli has years left
-That game vs. Philly was not a mirage
-We want to draft a hall of fame caliber player at #2
-We are going to take the best player available
-We graded Davis Webb out highly, we liked him in the 2017 NFL draft
If you believe what any team is talking about in their press conferences around draft and free agency.
Which, I think is kind of a mistake. The media also reported that there was going to be an effort to hide their intentions more effectively.
Now, could he play better in a different scheme. Hells yes, but this doesn’t scream the writings on the wall.
draft QB
And you think this means Barkley, trade down or Nelson/Chubb
Well. Woundnt they have devalued their trade position by ruling out QB in the media? The Jets & Broncos could sit tight at 6 guaranteed to get 1 of tbe 4 and Giants passing and Browns taking only 1?
Wouldnt they habe also tipped off Browns to take Barkley at 1?
Wouldnt they be hurting 2 of their potential moves?
OR maybe media is clueless as they were on HC who had Wilks and then Patricia as the guy?
draft QB
And you think this means Barkley, trade down or Nelson/Chubb
Well. Woundnt they have devalued their trade position by ruling out QB in the media? The Jets & Broncos could sit tight at 6 guaranteed to get 1 of tbe 4 and Giants passing and Browns taking only 1?
Wouldnt they habe also tipped off Browns to take Barkley at 1?
Wouldnt they be hurting 2 of their potential moves?
OR maybe media is clueless as they were on HC who had Wilks and then Patricia as the guy?
This is just my feeling- I really don't see a QB at #2 as of now. Maybe they really like Darnold- and if he falls past the Browns they take him, but if I were a betting man I'd wager that they go in another direction other than QB with the 2nd pick
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IND is going to go hard after Nelson?
The question is do they like Nelson enough to sacrifice their ability to add to their roster. I don't think of the colts as an offensive lineman away from being fixed.
Agreed. I also don't think this trade will affect what we do in the draft. It was just about getting a good player at a position of need at a very fair price.
DG says, "I like proven commodities for a mid-round and late round pick, John", and Jints Central pulls the trigger. Probably sees a younger Thomas Davis...
So I'm not sure there is a win now approach underneath this...I think there is an add-more-talent approach...
DG says, "I like proven commodities for a mid-round and late round pick, John", and Jints Central pulls the trigger. Probably sees a younger Thomas Davis...
So I'm not sure there is a win now approach underneath this...I think there is an add-more-talent approach...
This seems likely to me.
Was I dreaming or were the Giants not 0-5 with the full roster healthy? This is a terrible team with an old aging qb and we will regret not taking a qb when for the next decade we are scrambling looking for qb
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This would be news.
Sorry I should have phrased that better- but everything they've said has been hinting towards keeping Eli and building around him/not taking a QB.
-We believe Eli has years left
-That game vs. Philly was not a mirage
-We want to draft a hall of fame caliber player at #2
-We are going to take the best player available
-We graded Davis Webb out highly, we liked him in the 2017 NFL draft
The game vs Philly was not a mirage? Did DG watch the tape of the following game in AZ? Or we only count games where eli has a lot of yards? Eli in that game had 68 passing yards late in the 4th quarter vs a terrible AZ team
+2. I don't see how this telegraphs anything else the Giants do in FA or the draft. Except we now have one less whole to fill
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They'd get an absolute haul.
Agreed but I think it will be less likely if the Norwell rumors turn out to be true.
Then, I think it comes down to Barkley or Bradley Chubb.
Pretty sure we can rule out a trade down for Edmunds/Roquan
Agreed. I don't think they draft Nelson if they sign Norwell.
I think it's Barkley at 2 if he's there but if he's gone, I think a trade back to either 4 or 5 and they'd go Fitzpatrick if they sign Norwell, Nelson if they don't.
Right... just like Philly would never win a title ever let alone in 2017.
Save me this crap. Teams surprise all the time. literally... all the time. Fans always say never and then quietly go away when never actually happens.
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considering they're not winning a championship this year.
Right... just like Philly would never win a title ever let alone in 2017.
Save me this crap. Teams surprise all the time. literally... all the time. Fans always say never and then quietly go away when never actually happens.
Sorry to break it to you but the Giants are not winning another SB with Eli at qb....Good luck thinking that this will happen....unless the Giants build a HOF team around him and ask him to hand the ball off....ALA PEYTON Manning last year...How are those Broncos doing now?
I actually think they should if there is a guy they really like and believe in
this trade doesn't indicate some kind of long term or short term plan. Calm down lol.
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reality is the Giants where not as bad as they played last year. They lost the entire wr core. The oline will be fixed this year and the defense was not that bad. Hell people where saying the Giants would be in the Superbowl.
Was I dreaming or were the Giants not 0-5 with the full roster healthy? This is a terrible team with an old aging qb and we will regret not taking a qb when for the next decade we are scrambling looking for qb
Agreed. I am extremely skeptical of this franchise. Collectively, this team has not made many good decisions since 2012. Why are we all giving them the benefit of the doubt right now? They should have to endear themselves back to us. To start, the sham GM search should tip us all off that this is more business as usual for this team. They've made the playoffs, what, twice in the past 10 years?
Building around a 37 year old declining qb will set this franchise back far more than being wrong on a qb at 2. I hope that this is not the mind set, because we could end up in a endless loop of a qb search, similar to post Simms.
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considering they're not winning a championship this year.
Right... just like Philly would never win a title ever let alone in 2017.
Save me this crap. Teams surprise all the time. literally... all the time. Fans always say never and then quietly go away when never actually happens.
Sorry to break it to you but the Giants are not winning another SB with Eli at qb....Good luck thinking that this will happen....unless the Giants build a HOF team around him and ask him to hand the ball off....ALA PEYTON Manning last year...How are those Broncos doing now?
What?
No. This is clearly a sign that the Giants are building around Eli. And they have no shot with Eli by the way have you seen the broncos lately??
Ps the broncos did actually win a super bowl with a broken down Peyton. Yeah.
"We're not drafting a QB" -- Barkley fan
This is what I want, or Chubb at 6. Looks like a safe bet one or the other would be available.
The extra 2’s would let the Giants hit on value at need spots.
The Reese regime left OL and LB completely neglected to the noticement of absoluteky everyone and their brother.
The Boss CEO move is to come in and immediately address OL and LB
Norwell will be the FA move and they went trade route on LB
Who did you plagiarize?