I know it's early and I am not basing this on the quality of the moves yet but, for us as fans, there is no question there is a HUGE difference between the way Gettleman operates and the way Jerry Reese operated.
I don't know about anyone else but I see a more aggressive front office that has acknowledged our weaknesses and is prepared to attack them. Personally, I love it. I find there seems to be a lot more information available to fans and it seems, finally, the front office is seeing things the way most of us have seen them for years and are doing something about it.
I say kudos to Mr. Gettleman so far.
Reese's biggest problem was identifying OL in the draft. If Pugh/Flowers/Richburg were able to stay healthy and develop into the players expected (based on their draft positions) this would be a much better team.
I agree with the OP. Its obvious that there is a new way of doing things. From how he speaks to the media to what he values on the field. Different approach for sure.
But Gettleman is a breath of fresh air. I feel like the franchise is moving forward instead of spinning it’s wheels.
Reese's biggest problem was identifying OL in the draft. If Pugh/Flowers/Richburg were able to stay healthy and develop into the players expected (based on their draft positions) this would be a much better team.
Like spending every damn high pick on DE CB DT and STILL having to pony up the money for these 3?
Also, excited about new philosophy on drafting; putting higher value on performance vs. combine numbers.
DG saw firsthand how a guy like Norwell who performed well at a major program, yet went undrafted due (most likely) to poor combine #s vs. other who get drafted high largely because of good combines.
We want good FOOTBALL PLAYERS! not the best high jumpers or sprinters.
But we only have 5 draft picks... boo hoo!
Reese's biggest problem was identifying OL in the draft. If Pugh/Flowers/Richburg were able to stay healthy and develop into the players expected (based on their draft positions) this would be a much better team.
It also got to that point under him.. you should never be in a situation where your defense is historically bad talent wise that you need to splurge on so many FAs..
Really not true at all. He delivered a great draft in 2007 that helped win the first title and I don’t know how anyone can say he wasn’t fully involved in 2011. You can’t expect turnover for all players from the previous regime before giving credit to the replacement.
I'll give him some credit for helping to assemble the teams (as assistant to Ernie prior to '07), but the '11 team may have won despite a lack of overall talent, i.e., Coughlin, Eli and a handful of players were stellar.
We may never know all the reasons why, but it's obviously notable that Gettleman fired Marc Ross before he even finished his morning coffee on his first day as GM.
Grass is always greener and new is exciting. We will see how things play out.
I want to see what happens with the oline and draft before i start getting overly - - - - - well giddie
His drafts overall, were bad.
The talent on his rosters eroded over time (minus a few patches here and there) until the team became one of the biggest laughing stocks in the league...borderline Cleveland Browns territory.
I cringe at the thought of Jerry Reese being in charge of finding our next QB. Thank God that never happened.
His drafts overall, were bad.
The talent on his rosters eroded over time (minus a few patches here and there) until the team became one of the biggest laughing stocks in the league...borderline Cleveland Browns territory.
I cringe at the thought of Jerry Reese being in charge of finding our next QB. Thank God that never happened.
Yeah... cuz Eli won those two Super Bowls by himself. He didn't get a huge assist from his defense as well. A defense that Reese played a major part in building. What never gets mentioned is how injuries played a huge role in how the roster deteriorated during his tenure.
Reese's time here was up. Can't argue with that and wouldn't. But it's funny how he continues to get NO credit for his part in building those Super Bowl teams.
Gettleman seems to envision football as a game played and won by toughness and grit rather than skill.
You can argue all day about which approach is correct, but what is hard to argue is that they are two different ways of thinking which require different approaches to assembling your team.
I love the 2011 run and I could be wrong.
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He won two Super Bowls with Accorsi's QB.
His drafts overall, were bad.
The talent on his rosters eroded over time (minus a few patches here and there) until the team became one of the biggest laughing stocks in the league...borderline Cleveland Browns territory.
I cringe at the thought of Jerry Reese being in charge of finding our next QB. Thank God that never happened.
Yeah... cuz Eli won those two Super Bowls by himself. He didn't get a huge assist from his defense as well. A defense that Reese played a major part in building. What never gets mentioned is how injuries played a huge role in how the roster deteriorated during his tenure.
Reese's time here was up. Can't argue with that and wouldn't. But it's funny how he continues to get NO credit for his part in building those Super Bowl teams.
There are always positives to take away from situations. He had a good track record in the first round but how much credit should he really get for making good picks in the first round of the draft? Those are the easy ones. The defense had its moments at times and yes, injuries did play a factor. But Reese was also reactive, generally speaking, rather than being proactive in fixing holes and ensuring there was enough depth on the roster to compensate for some of those injuries. How many players throughout Reeses tenure have moved on to successful careers with other teams? Very few. Jay Bromley (now a FA, soon out of the league) and Andre Williams are perfect examples.
I love the 2011 run and I could be wrong.
Don't mean to argue, but I hate characterizing 2011 as a fluke. That was a damn good team that was banged up early, managed to get healthy down the stretch and got hot as the right time.
Dominant? No, not at all. But I really bristle at the perception that's set in that the 2011 was a mediocre team that pulled of a fluke run.
I'll put the version of the 2011 Giants that stepped on the field in the playoffs in Green Bay and San Francisco against the best teams of the era and take my chances
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He won two Super Bowls with Accorsi's QB.
His drafts overall, were bad.
The talent on his rosters eroded over time (minus a few patches here and there) until the team became one of the biggest laughing stocks in the league...borderline Cleveland Browns territory.
I cringe at the thought of Jerry Reese being in charge of finding our next QB. Thank God that never happened.
Yeah... cuz Eli won those two Super Bowls by himself. He didn't get a huge assist from his defense as well. A defense that Reese played a major part in building. What never gets mentioned is how injuries played a huge role in how the roster deteriorated during his tenure.
Reese's time here was up. Can't argue with that and wouldn't. But it's funny how he continues to get NO credit for his part in building those Super Bowl teams.
There are always positives to take away from situations. He had a good track record in the first round but how much credit should he really get for making good picks in the first round of the draft? Those are the easy ones. The defense had its moments at times and yes, injuries did play a factor. But Reese was also reactive, generally speaking, rather than being proactive in fixing holes and ensuring there was enough depth on the roster to compensate for some of those injuries. How many players throughout Reeses tenure have moved on to successful careers with other teams? Very few. Jay Bromley (now a FA, soon out of the league) and Andre Williams are perfect examples.
I’ve seen it stated repeatedly against Reese ‘how many of his players that left went on to have good careers?’. My question to that would be, how many should he let leave in order to prove he’s a good GM (as if winning not one but two SBs aren’t enough)? Isn’t it better that he managed to keep the better players he’s brought in instead of letting them leave? He gets slammed for allowing multiple DTs leave the team and now he’s getting slammed for not allowing enough good players to leave.
He can’t win. Like I said, he gets no credit for the success they enjoyed under his watch but a HUGE part of the blame for the failures. Meanwhile, you dare mention anything negative about Coughlin and most here are ready to fight. Just doesn’t seem very fair to me. I understand and agree that it was time to go... I wouldn’t even put up too much of a fight with those that say he should’ve been let go with Coughlin (even though at the time I thought he deserved an opportunity to pick his own coach... which in hindsight was a mistake). But the hatred and resentment shown towards Reese is a little over the top if you ask me. I haven’t commented on it much because I can understand the anger many have towards him... but it’s just crazy to me to see the very same people who sing Coughlin’s praises slam Reese unmercifully.
LOL this doesn't even deserve a response. You don't have to like Reese. But you don't have to be stupid either
It is sort of the same phenomenon where people love Spags but act like Fewell was an absolute moron, even though both won rings and one guy wasn't head of 3 historically poor defenses. Like 3 defenses in the BOTTOM 10 of all time!
What a loaded question. How many Reese draft picks survived health-wise to have a career?
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But he didn't put anything in the case. He was a passenger far from the bus driver.
LOL this doesn't even deserve a response. You don't have to like Reese. But you don't have to be stupid either
I didn’t even see that post but that’s exactly the kind of stuff I’m talking about. How da hell is the man who played a major role in building the team just ‘a passenger’?
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Reese's time here was up. Can't argue with that and wouldn't. But it's funny how he continues to get NO credit for his part in building those Super Bowl teams.
It is sort of the same phenomenon where people love Spags but act like Fewell was an absolute moron, even though both won rings and one guy wasn't head of 3 historically poor defenses. Like 3 defenses in the BOTTOM 10 of all time!
Spot on Fats!
When the intent is a subtle way to preach for tom coughlin
And the injury excuse goes both ways as he also never had to worry about a QB change or missing starts from Eli... ever.
And the injury excuse goes both ways as he also never had to worry about a QB change or missing starts from Eli... ever.
I think that’s fair. Of course he deserves the lion’s share of the blame for the team’s state... particularly when it comes to the roster.
My point is that he doesn’t deserve ALL of the blame or dismissed as a ‘passenger ‘ on the bus.
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He won two Super Bowls with Accorsi's QB.
His drafts overall, were bad.
The talent on his rosters eroded over time (minus a few patches here and there) until the team became one of the biggest laughing stocks in the league...borderline Cleveland Browns territory.
I cringe at the thought of Jerry Reese being in charge of finding our next QB. Thank God that never happened.
Yeah... cuz Eli won those two Super Bowls by himself. He didn't get a huge assist from his defense as well. A defense that Reese played a major part in building. What never gets mentioned is how injuries played a huge role in how the roster deteriorated during his tenure.
Reese's time here was up. Can't argue with that and wouldn't. But it's funny how he continues to get NO credit for his part in building those Super Bowl teams.
Agree. And good to see you Bone man. Hope the fam is good!