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What is your read on Mara's potential influence on what the team does @2?
How else would you characterize this draft in terms of depth, quality etc?
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During the combine have you heard anything that either confirms this or shakes your stated position up in any way?
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1. Assuming the Giants stay at #2, other than a QB, which players meet the nexus of appropriate value and need for the Giants.
2. With the addition of Ogeltree, and lets assume the Giants add another Guard FA. Even though teams draft players, not positions, can you name the positions you feel the Giants should or would be inclined to address with what is only 5 picks at the moment.
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I understand the appeal of his measurables, but he doesn't look like the best, second, or even 3rd QB prospect to me. Yet people like Mayock are rating him that way. What are they -- and you -- seeing beyond the measurables.
Which guy is the right guy of course is the $64K question. Its a really interesting year for QBs. You have 4 guys who are really talented; indeed, each one in their own way has something of a 'wow' factor. The problem of course is that all 4 also have a major issue and until they actually get to the pros one isn't going to know how it all plays out. The odds are that 2 of the 4 end up being really good pros and two don't. And the sad fact is that no one - not Mel Kiper, not Mike Mayock, not Bill Belichek, not Ted Wolf - can tell with anymore accuracy than a monkey throwing darts at a dart board which ones will be stars or which ones will go bust.
In the end I suspect the decision may come down to Shurmur indication which guy he'd be the most comfortable working with, but its still a roll of the dice.
In fact, there are no sure things when it comes to the draft. Whether the Giants take one of the QBs or a Barkley or a Nelson or a Chub b they'll be rolling the dice.
Is he a consideration for Giants in second round?
Re Eric's question about Chubb; I had my doubts about him until he ran in the mid 4-6 range at the combine. So yeah he's a legit top 5 guy but he's also a protoype 4-3 DE; indeed, if one was tempted to go that way with the #1 pick then maybe Tremaine Edmunds or Marcus Davenport would be better fits.
And right now Allen may be the key. I had a couple of NFL guys I know tell me even before the combine to paraphrase "don't sleep on Josh Allen" If a team is patient and has a good QB coach he has a huge ceiling.
Also, what do you think of Kurt Benkert?
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Arm strength seems like a major concern here.
As I mentioned earlier Allen could be the wild card here. The question for Shumur et al will be are his accuracy and anticipation issues coachable.
If you agree these exist, WHY is Allen ahead of Darnold on your board? (I totally get that Rosen is 1 and I agree)
Where we might see some change is that suspect DG will be more proactive in deciding on picks. Reese actually never made the picks; under him the Giants process was very collegial with decisons made by consensus in the room, whereas listening to DG I get the sense thathe may be prepared to make the ultimate decision personnaly.
And while everyone in the room will cheer, the fact is that if one actually compares the Panthers drafts 2013-2017 with the Giants drafts in the same period there isn't really much difference in outcomes. The draft issues the Giants had under Reese really occurred largely 2010-2012. But time will tell
The other part of the equation is where Eli is at. Obviously, there were issues along the OL that will need to be addressed whoever the QB is going forward and there were real issues at WR with the injuries last year, but almost everything I heard from withing the Giants org the past couple of years was that Eli just wasn't playing very well.
One can hope that he bounces back - and I'll be the happiest guy in the room - but at 37 it just isn't something you can count on or plan for.
I’m hoping at least 6 QBs in the first round. It makes our 2nd round pick much more valuable
In the end, though it doesn't matter what I think (and why I am always very hesitant to make such rankings) what matters is what the Giants think and that's all I really care about.
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My wish list for the start of their draft is in this order:
Take Nelson after a slight trade drown (4-5 range).
Take Barkley at 2.
Take Allen at 2.
Colin, I saw in Paul's bio that he grew up watching the Giants so I thought he was a Giants fan.
My wish list for the start of their draft is in this order:
Take Nelson after a slight trade drown (4-5 range).
Take Barkley at 2.
Take Allen at 2.
I think I feel the same way Chris.
I was originally thinking Darnold at the QB but at this point Allen seems to have the bigger upside. Rosen seems to be the guy that could start sooner.
I would prefer these scenarios in this order:
1. trade back with Cleveland to 4, pick up 2 - 2nd round picks and a 4th. Draft Nelson. Get a pass rushing LB, OT prospect and a RB in round 2 ( Landry, Crosby, Michel )
2. Take Barkley at 2
3. Take Allen at 2
So I think the answer I will get will be related to HOW good Nelson is vs McGlinchey. But the latter is being a little overshadowed. He is very, very good and could solve LT for a long time for the OL. And the return would be much, much better.
I just think if you're going to trade down for an OL, get a LOT back...trade farther back. Because like Colin said, a great OG isn't going to get you that much closer to being a championship team.
The trickiest part of that scenario is obviously Nelson being available at 4 or 5 as people seem to be overlooking the fact that the Colts have a currently injured top QB who has not had and needs an O-line just as bad if not more than our QB does.
The trickiest part of that scenario is obviously Nelson being available at 4 or 5 as people seem to be overlooking the fact that the Colts have a currently injured top QB who has not had and needs an O-line just as bad if not more than our QB does.
Yes but HOF guards don't win you Super Bowls. Just ask Steve Hutchinson. And don't come back to me with "what about Alan Faneca, though?" My point is, I'm good with a trade down, but if we're doing it to target an OL, come down a little more, get the LT cornerstone, and get a GREAT haul in return, not just a good one.
The trickiest part of that scenario is obviously Nelson being available at 4 or 5 as people seem to be overlooking the fact that the Colts have a currently injured top QB who has not had and needs an O-line just as bad if not more than our QB does.
If you believe Colin's post on Nelson above, then the question being asked makes a lot of sense.
Nelson is top 2 in the country.
Allen will be the one who benefits the most from sitting and if you know you are thinking 2 years down the line, you can still find reps for Webb to showcase him as a possible item next off season.
Big strong armed QB's who can move are hard to find. Rosen's concussions scare me. Darnold and his turnovers and less than 2 full years of work scares me.
I think Josh Allen ends up being the guy.
Yup. Been a problem with this team for years.
Out of curiosity, how is Nelson considered a HoF caliber prospect? He looks good on the video but it's a helluva leap - not saying you are making it here (yet) - to think blocking fellow D1 college talent, and mostly dominating it, means that will convey to the pro level. There is just as good of a chance that Nelson has actually peaked and he's only dominant at the college level...
Easy on the "built for long term success" stuff...the ball bounces funny for teams year-to-year (except the Patriots). Injuries, game-changing plays, complacency, etc are all factors that dramatically sway team fortunes.
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that people believe "win now, two year window" is a thing. Did we not watch the playoffs? Are we not past the denial stage after witnessing the Eagles be an excellent team from start to finish and be built for long term success?
Easy on the "built for long term success" stuff...the ball bounces funny for teams year-to-year (except the Patriots). Injuries, game-changing plays, complacency, etc are all factors that dramatically sway team fortunes.
But the pieces are there. Obviously health is always a concern for anyone, but they have everything they need to continue being excellent for that same two year window people are imagining for us.
We don't even beat the eagles when they suck.
Barkley will be tempting.....in away, I wish Cleveland must have the 1st 2 picks....so we get our QB at 4. And some extra 2nd rounders
The 40 for OL is far more telling than just speed between point A and B. The initial 10 yard split is an indicator of their ability to pull or to get out on a screen. Running a screen is difficult if you don't have anyone blocking. Also, the overall physique of a player is on display. All the scouts understand that these are big men so they are looking for a male model. But they expect to see a player who is solid. If they see the ass and thighs all jiggly with sugar tits swaying to and fro, they might question the player's commitment to the gym. Overall, it is one more piece of information to help them arrive at their decision.
You can question Benkert’s decision making because it just drives you nuts. The guy is the king of the bird-dog...
But I’m not buying this lack of arm comment. Based on what? He can really drive the ball with velocity. It’s the skill that has kept him on draft boards.
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I am sorry to say I just don't thin BENKERT has the arm or athleticism to do much in the NFL. And that hurts me to say cause he's had a fairly tough life and has persevered. He really looked solid most of the 2017 season. He has limited back-up potential for NFL. When he's good he's O, but when he's overmatched he's a mistake machine.
You can question Benkert’s decision making because it just drives you nuts. The guy is the king of the bird-dog...
But I’m not buying this lack of arm comment. Based on what? He can really drive the ball with velocity. It’s the skill that has kept him on draft boards.
I've said he doesn't have an NFL arm for awhile now. Seems like a below-average NFL arm from everything I've seen of him.