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I wish that we could trade Eli.

yatqb : 3/9/2018 7:16 pm
This roster is so thin that getting rid of him and going for the full rebuild would be my preference. I love Eli, but if he waived his no trade clause I'd trade him, because this team is quite a ways from a SB contender, and I'd prefer to suffer for a few more years with the hope that we could draft high again next year and rebuild the whole roster.

We'd recoup about $10M this year against the cap (but have $12M in dead cap costs) and would have $17M more cap space next offseason.

Eli is obviously not part of our future, so IMO it would be time to cut bait if he'd be willing to waive the no trade and we found a team interested in him.

(I know this has been beaten to death, but I was looking over the roster again, and I can't identify any other players who might be possible trade bait given their cap hits and/or talent level. We really are thin!)
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wow  
jnoble : 3/9/2018 7:19 pm : link
cool story bro
Asshole  
TMS : 3/9/2018 7:19 pm : link
IMO.
Our roster is really only thin at OL  
UConn4523 : 3/9/2018 7:19 pm : link
I think people overestimate how long it takes to turn things around. We have a lot of talent on this team that was led by a completely clown show last season.
I'm here to amuse you.  
yatqb : 3/9/2018 7:20 pm : link
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I’d argue it’s the right move..  
Sean : 3/9/2018 7:20 pm : link
New GM, new HC, it’s the right time. And I’m a huge Eli fan.
A year from now  
Jay on the Island : 3/9/2018 7:21 pm : link
the Giants will reportedly have 70 million in cap room. That includes the contracts of Eli and JPP but if the Giants cut both of them next year then they would save approximately 25 million more. This season will be tough unless they add a QB with the 2nd pick and he gets some playing time later in the year and plays well.

Imagine the optimism around here going into the 2019 season with a new franchise QB and all that cap room not to mention another potential early 1st round pick in the 10-15 range.
RE: I’d argue it’s the right move..  
Giantology : 3/9/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13856733 Sean said:
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New GM, new HC, it’s the right time. And I’m a huge Eli fan.


The new GM and new HC are arguing otherwise.
I doubt the Giants will  
Vanzetti : 3/9/2018 7:22 pm : link
but it would not absolutely surprise me if they got an offer they couldn't refuse. But I don't think any team is making them that offer.
I agree  
The_Boss : 3/9/2018 7:22 pm : link
I think “going for it” with Eli is a mistake. I don’t think they’ll surpass either Dallas or Philadelphia in the next 2 years. In fact, I think there’s a better chance this team goes 6-10 next year than 10-6. There are so many moving parts on this roster. Concentrating on building something more sustainable over a long period instead of hoping for one more lightening in a bottle run is the prudent move. Going “all in” on Eli is not. At this stage, he likely needs an elite roster to win a Super Bowl. They are far from that.
70 mil in cap space  
Chip : 3/9/2018 7:26 pm : link
I would assume you are not signing Collins or Beckham. Somebody should just delete this thread.
I could see it  
AnnapolisMike : 3/9/2018 7:27 pm : link
But Eli would have to approve it...and it would have to be the right scenario for him.

You're a fucking jerkoff  
18E : 3/9/2018 7:28 pm : link
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They are closer than everybody thinks  
NikkiMac : 3/9/2018 7:30 pm : link
2 offensive lineman a running back and a couple of linebackers and solid QBs play and this team is back in the playoffs cut the shit !
RE: I agree  
yatqb : 3/9/2018 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13856741 The_Boss said:
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I think “going for it” with Eli is a mistake. I don’t think they’ll surpass either Dallas or Philadelphia in the next 2 years. In fact, I think there’s a better chance this team goes 6-10 next year than 10-6. There are so many moving parts on this roster. Concentrating on building something more sustainable over a long period instead of hoping for one more lightening in a bottle run is the prudent move. Going “all in” on Eli is not. At this stage, he likely needs an elite roster to win a Super Bowl. They are far from that.


Well said.

6-10 is close to Gettlman's nowhere scenario of 7-9 to 9-7, where you tread water and never become a top team. Get worse in order to get better. And let Webb and a drafted QB fight it out to be our new leader.
RE: You're a fucking jerkoff  
yatqb : 3/9/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13856762 18E said:
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It's always nice to hear from my fans.

Sometimes I think the world's going to hell in a hand basket, and then I get responses like this. It warms my heart.
RE: They are closer than everybody thinks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13856771 NikkiMac said:
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2 offensive lineman a running back and a couple of linebackers and solid QBs play and this team is back in the playoffs cut the shit !


lol. You somehow managed to make that seem like it's no big deal. They've been chasing those things for 5 years.
yatqb...  
M.S. : 3/9/2018 7:37 pm : link

...I'm with you 100% on this.

I much prefer this team enter 2018 sans Eli.

Would love to trade him and make him happy with another team.

Start fresh, start with a new QB and move on from there.

RE: A year from now  
mrvax : 3/9/2018 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13856737 Jay on the Island said:
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the Giants will reportedly have 70 million in cap room. That includes the contracts of Eli and JPP but if the Giants cut both of them next year then they would save approximately 25 million more. This season will be tough unless they add a QB with the 2nd pick and he gets some playing time later in the year and plays well.

Imagine the optimism around here going into the 2019 season with a new franchise QB and all that cap room not to mention another potential early 1st round pick in the 10-15 range.


From your mouth to God's ears.
RE: RE: They are closer than everybody thinks  
yatqb : 3/9/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13856787 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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2 offensive lineman a running back and a couple of linebackers and solid QBs play and this team is back in the playoffs cut the shit !



lol. You somehow managed to make that seem like it's no big deal. They've been chasing those things for 5 years.


Yup. And more depth at CB, a starting FS, another WR to play opposite OBJ, and perhaps some defensive ends who fit the 3-4 scheme better. Other than that we're set.
unfortunately, the cap  
JonC : 3/9/2018 7:39 pm : link
gets in the way, and often human based loyalties too, which isn't a bad thing. I'd prefer to move on now, Part of the blood price for two rings may include hanging on another year too long while they put the full blueprint in place.
Itd be PR suicide  
UESBLUE : 3/9/2018 7:39 pm : link
especially when you consider the reaction to just his benching last season. That said tho I dont think he has much left and Id def consider it.
RE: RE: You're a fucking jerkoff  
sundayatone : 3/9/2018 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13856779 yatqb said:
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It's always nice to hear from my fans.

Sometimes I think the world's going to hell in a hand basket, and then I get responses like this. It warms my heart.


the eli cultists have thin skin.
If there was any chance of them making the cold business decision  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 7:43 pm : link
to move on, it went out the window when the fans went thermonuclear because he was sat down for one game and they erected billboards shaming the franchise.
Yep, agree YATQB  
Jimmy Googs : 3/9/2018 7:44 pm : link
Not blaming Eli for the downfall but he doesn't have the attributes any longer that are going to change the direction of this team.

The restructuring of the Giants will not truly take on momentum until we have a changing of the guard at starting QB...
Eli is in sunset  
bc4life : 3/9/2018 7:44 pm : link
of his career but he's got two solid years left. do not understand the the urge to get rid of him and throw a rookie to the wolves.
RE: If there was any chance of them making the cold business decision  
sundayatone : 3/9/2018 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13856808 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to move on, it went out the window when the fans went thermonuclear because he was sat down for one game and they erected billboards shaming the franchise.


they took the cue from mike francesa and then the ny sports media pilled on.
And enjoy the potty mouth comments coming your way  
Jimmy Googs : 3/9/2018 7:50 pm : link
because it means you took the unpopular albeit rational view that sometimes it gets worse before it gets better.

As a life-long supporter of the minority opinion, i hear you loud and clear...
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Micko : 3/9/2018 7:51 pm : link
I would cut him personally. It's over.
so what happens  
UESBLUE : 3/9/2018 7:52 pm : link
when we get Rosen or Darnold and Eii is 2-5 in mid Oct? That is something Im sure hes considered as well
RE: Eli is in sunset  
lecky : 3/9/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13856812 bc4life said:
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of his career but he's got two solid years left. do not understand the the urge to get rid of him and throw a rookie to the wolves.


And what about his most recent performance makes you think Eli has 2 solid years left?
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Micko : 3/9/2018 7:54 pm : link
i don't know why we have to suffer so Eli can get a couple more years out if his career out of some sense of entitlement. let's rebuild! The future is now.
I totally agree with you, Yatqb  
dk in TX : 3/9/2018 8:09 pm : link
You encapsulated my thoughts so succinctly. Eli has been done for years. I respect and applaud him for being a Giant great. He is done, though.

The resident BBI pro Eli lynch mob will harp on one decent game effort in a years to attest his "elite" status. It is always everybody else (Coughlin, Gilbride, Reese, Ross etc) fault.

The bottom line is that 37 year old Eli is not part of Giants' future. I have this sinking feeling that they are mortgaging the franchise's future to appease Eli.

Again, I appreciate Eli achievements but I love our team. Go Giants!!
RE: so what happens  
Jimmy Googs : 3/9/2018 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13856842 UESBLUE said:
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when we get Rosen or Darnold and Eii is 2-5 in mid Oct? That is something Im sure hes considered as well


What happens is that our rookie QB has 7 less games to develop into his new job, and we lose another season in fixing this team...
RE: I totally agree with you, Yatqb  
The_Boss : 3/9/2018 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13856872 dk in TX said:
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You encapsulated my thoughts so succinctly. Eli has been done for years. I respect and applaud him for being a Giant great. He is done, though.

The resident BBI pro Eli lynch mob will harp on one decent game effort in a years to attest his "elite" status. It is always everybody else (Coughlin, Gilbride, Reese, Ross etc) fault.

The bottom line is that 37 year old Eli is not part of Giants' future. I have this sinking feeling that they are mortgaging the franchise's future to appease Eli.

Again, I appreciate Eli achievements but I love our team. Go Giants!!


Which “decent” game are you referring to? The Home Philly game? Ok, he played well, but does anyone remember the brutal INT he threw which totally turned the tide in that game in Philly’s favor?
This time of year...  
Giant John : 3/9/2018 8:19 pm : link
Always brings out the assholes.
RE: RE: I totally agree with you, Yatqb  
sundayatone : 3/9/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13856885 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13856872 dk in TX said:


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You encapsulated my thoughts so succinctly. Eli has been done for years. I respect and applaud him for being a Giant great. He is done, though.

The resident BBI pro Eli lynch mob will harp on one decent game effort in a years to attest his "elite" status. It is always everybody else (Coughlin, Gilbride, Reese, Ross etc) fault.

The bottom line is that 37 year old Eli is not part of Giants' future. I have this sinking feeling that they are mortgaging the franchise's future to appease Eli.

Again, I appreciate Eli achievements but I love our team. Go Giants!!



Which “decent” game are you referring to? The Home Philly game? Ok, he played well, but does anyone remember the brutal INT he threw which totally turned the tide in that game in Philly’s favor?


how about the horror show in az the following week,eli was brutal.
Norm  
RetroJint : 3/9/2018 8:25 pm : link
You’ve always been one of the most reasonable people on the planet. I agree completely with your sentiment . It won’t happen , but it would be for the best . And for some of these flamethrowers , if you think the Giants are 3 or 4 players away, you haven’t been paying attention these last six seasons .

lecky  
bc4life : 3/9/2018 8:36 pm : link
It's an eleven man event. hey had no rushing game and OLIne struggled in pass protection. Like Gilbride said - he isn't going to solve problems with his feet. It's not that complicated
RE: Our roster is really only thin at OL  
TheVette : 3/9/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13856728 UConn4523 said:
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I think people overestimate how long it takes to turn things around. We have a lot of talent on this team that was led by a completely clown show last season.


The OL is a problem but let's face it - they have no starting RB, their LBs are non-descript (even with Ogletree), and the DBs are a mystery. Jenkins quit last year, Apple is a headcase, Thompson was not the ballhawk he was advertised, and Collins needs to focus back on football instead of being the locker room leaker
I guess I am in the minority  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2018 8:41 pm : link
If you actually watched the season last year, Eli was the least of our problems. I was at the last game of the year. The entire OL was 2nd string, the entire WR was 3rd string, there were about 8 dropped passes, and Eli threw the ball well in 18 degree temps with 20 mph winds.

The game before he lit up Philly the defending Champs. After they lost all their WR they changed the game plan to not have Eli drop back so much so he wouldn't get killed and because he had nobody to throw to.

It's easy to point at a 36 year old QB and blame him for our 5 years of non playoff football. Simpletons can do that 7 days a week. He hasn't been perfect but trading him away and starting a rookie QB next year our record will be 4-12 if we are lucky.
It was handled wrong.....  
Doomster : 3/9/2018 8:43 pm : link
If there was any chance of them making the cold business decision
Ten Ton Hammer : 7:43 pm : link : reply
to move on, it went out the window when the fans went thermonuclear because he was sat down for one game and they erected billboards shaming the franchise.


The fans would not have objected, to see Webb out there in the fourth quarter of the Rams, SF, Cardinal, or Cowboy games....being 1-6, and OBj done, Webb should have had 2nd string snaps in the two weeks of the bye......to trot out Geno Smith was a huge mistake.....this team's possible future did not include Geno Smith....It was handled wrong....Mac obviously lost it, if he thought he was going to get away with that....

As for Eli, I brought up this possibility months ago.....if this team is not ready to win in the playoffs, we are just delaying the inevitable......this organization has lived with the mindset that we are only one or two players away from another run.......and while it is too early to tell, it looks like that attitude has not changed......so what if we don't have one efficient starting OLMan......so what if we don't have a #2 WR.......so what if we don't have a RB that scares the opposition.......so what if we have two DE's who have not lived up to their contract....so what if we only have one legitimate linebacker on the roster at this moment.....No FS.....the CB position is in flux......and the drop off in talent to backups is, like an abyss....

Can this team win and make the playoffs? Maybe....with a weak schedule...if we don't have one single injury to a starter.....if the new regime doesn't have growing pains....if we can pull a miracle and create in 0ne year, what Seven years couldn't do, create an OL that can pass block, convert short yardage runs, and god, am I asking too much, can actually run a screen.....and we have have to get get the breaks.....man we were snake bit all last year....

I see growing pains and maybe 6-10, 7-9 season.....and what does that accomplish? Not much....we are just delaying the inevitable, if we keep Eli......I'd rather see him traded(with his permission)/released, to play on a team that can utilize whatever talents he has left, and gives him a chance at another ring.....with him off the roster this year, we save over 20M to rebuild with,over the next two years.....we do not need a 22M mentor.

This team is not going to do it, in one or two years.....it's time to make the hard decisions, and start the rebuild......if by some chance, Cleveland takes Barkley first, then we have the choice of the best QB, for the future of the NY Football Giants......and if we don't think any of them are worth the second pick, then entertain the thought of trading down, to get more players.....and if that means we have to suck another year, so be it.....it's time we draft and acquire players who can play......I want a team that we can build on, not one year wonder's against a weak schedule......
Yat  
Bill2 : 3/9/2018 8:45 pm : link
I'm more cynical than you are.

I don't know if Eli is a year too late or too early. To me, MacAdoo was so so awful everyone deserves a slight pass

But...regardless of what happens going forward, for absolutely right now, with no good look at Webb, with no knowledge of how they would evaluate the possible QB's and no FA successes or failures and no draft day trade offers or not to even begin to evaluate....of course the right decision and the right FO thing to say is that Eli has 2 years.

Its right and its reality right now.

But what if after 3 weeks of FA, all the 2-4 good or even marginal possible OL improvements, all the logical 2-4 RB improvements or the 1-2 WR besides Marshall alternatives go to the other 31 teams? And no other LB or FS upgrade comes our way?

Then is trading Eli for some of the many many parts we need such a bad idea? Its definitely a sad sad day when Eli hangs them up...but it is going to happen

Guys...we don't have any any any proven NFL average OL. Its a decent bet that Pugh and Richburg want to leave.

I like spring and new guys and hope and everyone reaching their potential and no one getting hurt or sliding backwards. Its a rite of spring. Its what it means to be a fan.

I just like actual playoff winning seasons a lot more
So you would rather be 7-9 with Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 3/9/2018 8:45 pm : link
and another year lost??
Wow... when did we allow this place to get abusive again?  
EricJ : 3/9/2018 8:50 pm : link
people have been banned for some of these comments. If some of you guys want to hang out in an echo chamber all day long then this is not the place for you. If you cannot disagree with someone's point of view respectfully about a freaking football team, then are probably going to struggle in the workplace too.
RE: I'm here to amuse you.  
Beer Man : 3/9/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13856730 yatqb said:
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Well you have succeeded at that
Eli's passing inaccuracy wiped out our starting lineup  
gtt350 : 3/9/2018 8:54 pm : link
go look at the tapes
RE: unfortunately, the cap  
UberAlias : 3/9/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13856802 JonC said:
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gets in the way, and often human based loyalties too, which isn't a bad thing. I'd prefer to move on now, Part of the blood price for two rings may include hanging on another year too long while they put the full blueprint in place.
Well said Jon.
JFC people  
NYG07 : 3/9/2018 9:09 pm : link
He is an asshole because he thinks the Giants are better off moving on from Eli and going for the full rebuild? Some of you people are seriously bigger Eli fans than Giants fans. It's insufferable.

He is clearly in decline. If you don't see that after having watched the last two years than I don't know what to tell you. You all have this vision of Gettleman magically putting the Eagles offensive line in front of him. He is going to be even worse next year than he was last year.

I am fine with them keeping him this year, provided they take
A QB at 2 and let him take the reigns either mid season or in 2019. But if they truly believe they can still build a team around Eli for one more run, then we are in trouble.
Well my guess is DG and PS if indeed they are sticking with Eli  
JCin332 : 3/9/2018 9:09 pm : link
aren't doing it for sentimental reasons they think he gives them the best chance to win...

I'll go with their opinion and not the arm chair GM's on here...
You are in a cold clinical way absoloutely correct  
Tom in Kzoo : 3/9/2018 9:10 pm : link
And lots of other teams might do that.
I'd like to think that treating the best QB in our history with some dignity - to admittedly repay the class he has shown over the years- is the right thing to do. If he can play at an above average level that is what we do- and honor his remaining contract.
Beyond that is open - but we will fulfill our obligations as he has done.

If he can't play at that level - fine - but he gets at least 1 yr more to prove that .
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