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Mainstream media picks up on Beckham video

twostepgiants : 3/9/2018 10:28 pm
The story is out in the open now. So the question is- what are the consequences?

We are looking at a guy who is asking for a 20 mil a year pay day, saying he wont play a snap in the preseason and on the last year of his contract and coming off a season ending injury. Add to the mix a brand new regime in both administration and coaching. New GM and new HC.

Will the Giants commit to a long term contract on Odell Beckham Jr this offseason or not? If so, at what what cost and will Beckham accept it? if not, what is his response? Would he hold out?

My answer to this question would be - do not resign Beckham. Let him play out the rest of his deal. At its conclusion, tag him and trade him like the Dolphins did with Landry and get what you can on him. Hopefully he comes in and plays and plays well and stays healthy and out of trouble and you recoup some value on him. I would allow him to hold out if he threatens that. He has to come back by a certain point by league rules. Giants hold all the cards.

I would not pay this man anything close to the price he is seeking.
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RE: Spare me Arc  
christian : 3/9/2018 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13857097 twostepgiants said:
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Theres a world of difference between "getting rid of" and entering into a contract extension at about 5 yrs and 20 mil plus

The Giants arent cutting Beckham

And this isnt his only incident to cause embarrasment or problems for the Giants

And this isnt just pot involved


Does your keyboard not contain the requisite keys to form intelligible punctuation?
That 2 second video was not incriminating......  
Simms11 : 3/9/2018 11:16 pm : link
You people are losing it! Media needs another story, why not grab this one and run with it?! Come on already, let the kid live a little. Hes not doing drugs, has never come up hot, and is not a bad teammate. Hes got a little Diva in him, so what. For goodness sakes, hes an entertainer.
Ok so the right thing to do  
nygiants16 : 3/9/2018 11:17 pm : link
Is just assume he is doing coke and let him go at the end of his contract? Makes sense...
RE: That 2 second video was not incriminating......  
nygiants16 : 3/9/2018 11:18 pm : link
In comment 13857158 Simms11 said:
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You people are losing it! Media needs another story, why not grab this one and run with it?! Come on already, let the kid live a little. Hes not doing drugs, has never come up hot, and is not a bad teammate. Hes got a little Diva in him, so what. For goodness sakes, hes an entertainer.


Apparently people have never been to a party where drugs were involved...
Im surprised you guys havent claimed  
twostepgiants : 3/9/2018 11:18 pm : link
Its not Beckham

How do we even know its him?

Could be his LMD
RE: Arcs line of defenses  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13857128 twostepgiants said:
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1- it wasnt true, it was edited


2- even if it was he didnt do anything wrong anyway

3- even if he did do it, everyone does it anyway


You're a waste of time to argue with.

Those aren't my lines of defense - and if that's how you're interpreting my comments, your comprehension, quite frankly sucks.

Let me make my opinion crystal clear for you just so that you'll stop failing to figure it out on your own.

1. I have said several times now that Beckham needs to be smarter than this. He should never have been in that position to begin with.

2. I think we should let some facts come out before we draw too many conclusions based on a 3 second clip.

3. I didn't say it WAS edited, I said it does look choppy or dubbed and it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities for that to have happened.

4. I need to see Beckham actually touching cocaine before I accuse him of doing it. People are innocent until proven guilty in my book. It seems to be the opposite for you.

5. He smokes weed? Big fucking deal. So do 800 other players. Sorry, I'm not getting rid of a generational talent because of that. Taylor was way worse. Way, way worse. Yet, he spent his entire career here.

Now, let's see how you twist my words and turn all of that into something completely different.
RE: RE: Spare me Arc  
twostepgiants : 3/9/2018 11:20 pm : link
In comment 13857156 christian said:
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In comment 13857097 twostepgiants said:


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Theres a world of difference between "getting rid of" and entering into a contract extension at about 5 yrs and 20 mil plus

The Giants arent cutting Beckham

And this isnt his only incident to cause embarrasment or problems for the Giants

And this isnt just pot involved




Does your keyboard not contain the requisite keys to form intelligible punctuation?


People still use keyboards?
Arc didn't you see  
nygiants16 : 3/9/2018 11:21 pm : link
We have to assume anyone who is in the presence of coke is doing it and now it is obvious Beckham does it..

Also drug tests don't matter
RE: RE: RE: Spare me Arc  
christian : 3/9/2018 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13857165 twostepgiants said:
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In comment 13857156 christian said:


Quote:


In comment 13857097 twostepgiants said:


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Theres a world of difference between "getting rid of" and entering into a contract extension at about 5 yrs and 20 mil plus

The Giants arent cutting Beckham

And this isnt his only incident to cause embarrasment or problems for the Giants

And this isnt just pot involved




Does your keyboard not contain the requisite keys to form intelligible punctuation?



People still use keyboards?


All of them, including you. Maybe take a deep breath, take a deep hit, focus your eyes between the quotation marks and colon, and chill dude.
I don't think the NFL even tested for coke until the the time LT  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2018 11:30 pm : link
first got caught.

Hell, the NHL started testing for coke in 2015-2016. That is the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
RE: I don't think the NFL even tested for coke until the the time LT  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13857171 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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first got caught.

Hell, the NHL started testing for coke in 2015-2016. That is the weirdest thing I've ever heard.


Coincidentally (... or not at al!), that's the year Jaret Stoll's career ended.

Still landed Erin Andrews somehow. I'll never quite understand that one, but hey... good for him.
Hey guys ive figured it out  
twostepgiants : 3/9/2018 11:34 pm : link
She was just slicing up lines of Grated Cheese with a credit card, for the pizza.

Yeah, thats the ticket
RE: Cut the playing dumb crap  
The 12th Man : 3/9/2018 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13857086 twostepgiants said:
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If you dont want to play get off the thread

Our star is in tbe headline with the word cocaine

You dont want to do anything fine say that

But dont play this what did he do nonsense



This is like Inspector Clousea, explain to me what you definitely know about the video. There is pepperoni on the pizza. What else? Has he failed a drug test? So as of now we know he was on a bed with a woman eating a pepperoni 🍕 pizza. Sounds like he had a friend over wh he was trying to get laid. That is it cut him.

I mean seriously, when does this crap end with some of you on this site? As of now there is nothing here. Until, there is let's go back to arguing Barkley, franchise QB or trade back.
Actually Beckham could have done something illegal  
twostepgiants : 3/9/2018 11:49 pm : link
Even if you buy that he actually didnt consume

Depends if he was the one who rented the room.

"Constructive possession is a legal fiction used to describe a situation where an individual has actual control over personal property, but not actual physical control. In other words, if the item is in your car, your room, or some area over which you have control, just not in your pocket, backpack, or in your hand. Under the laws of most states, a person with constructive possession is treated no differently than a person with actual possession."

To clarify, this wasnt a party. This was a few people in a hotel room.
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arcarsenal : 3/9/2018 11:56 pm : link
Do we even know it was a hotel room? I certainly couldn't tell you that based on the clip. All you see is a headboard and a framed picture above the bed.

I'm not saying it is or isn't - but unless I am missing additional information, how would anyone know that?

How do we even know it wasn't a party?

You seem to be making several assumptions here and keep jumping to conclusions despite having close to no actual information about what was going on.
It could be a bedroom  
twostepgiants : 3/10/2018 12:01 am : link
But same legal principle holds. Is he the owner or renter of the dwelling.
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arcarsenal : 3/10/2018 12:06 am : link
Well, this is my point - we need a lot more information than we actually have. Otherwise, all we are doing is speculating.

I have no idea if it's a house or hotel room, I don't know if it's in his name, I don't know how many other people are there or who is liable for what.

Without knowing any of that, the best I can do here is say that Odell needs to be smarter while also being of the mindset that I would need to see something a little more incriminating before I believed he was actually using cocaine.

He's immature at times, he has "diva" tendencies - but based on what we've learned of him as Giants fans, I'd be really surprised if he was getting mixed up with blow when he's at such a crucial juncture in his career. Hate or love him, the man loves football and takes his career very seriously. Getting involved with blow would be a huge risk for him and I think he's smart enough to know that - just not quite smart enough to steer completely clear of it if someone else is doing it.
RE: Actually Beckham could have done something illegal  
ajr2456 : 3/10/2018 12:06 am : link
In comment 13857196 twostepgiants said:
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Even if you buy that he actually didnt consume

Depends if he was the one who rented the room.

"Constructive possession is a legal fiction used to describe a situation where an individual has actual control over personal property, but not actual physical control. In other words, if the item is in your car, your room, or some area over which you have control, just not in your pocket, backpack, or in your hand. Under the laws of most states, a person with constructive possession is treated no differently than a person with actual possession."

To clarify, this wasnt a party. This was a few people in a hotel room.


And if these laws were actually enforced half the country would be in prison. Go to bed.
Wow this thread is still going?  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/10/2018 12:16 am : link
Kill this garbage
People need to stop worrying about the legal issues here  
BlackLight : 3/10/2018 12:26 am : link
The NFL has significantly broader latitude to punish players. That's what we should be worried about here.
A lot of thoughts..  
BurberryManning : 3/10/2018 1:03 am : link
A) Isnt it illegal to be in the room with cocaine being consumed even if not using?

B) Id be shocked if Obj doesnt party. Youd have to be naive to believe that he doesnt

C) Who cares if Obj does party, so long as he doesnt endanger anyone or get caught? Wealthy young alphas that get tested frequently...hmmm. Id be shocked if less than 30% of the NFL does

D) Beckham is a guy who is very close friends with guys like Johnny Manziel (apparently sober), he enjoys the party lifestyle but also is maniacal when it comes to refining his craft. Some folks cant fathom that freak athletes can burn the candle at both ends but still maintain healthier and more athletic fitness levels than 99.9% of the world. Welcome to 2017. So long as Obj steers clear of the law its tough to fault him, IMO. Hes a generational talent but also a test with regards to perception.
The article in the OP  
Go Terps : 3/10/2018 1:12 am : link
The article is basically a summary of Beckham's dipshittery in his four years with the Giants, and it's several paragraphs long. It's a funny read.
Fully true,  
old man : 3/10/2018 1:57 am : link
Partly true, or totally false video, obviously he will be talking to Mara & DG, and someone from The Raja's office.
There's no good outcome for him in this even if it's a mocked up video, there'll be collateral damage; we may be in need of a WR.
Observations  
montanagiant : 3/10/2018 2:02 am : link
1) No one has any idea what he is smoking
2) That chick's got nice tits
3) WTF is anyone doing eating a Pizza Hut Pizza?
4) Anyone doing coke is not eating Pizza especially Pizza Hut Pizza
5) That chicks got nice tits
6) If you're a sports star get a damn NDA signed before you hook up with anyone. You're an idiot if you don't.
RE: The article in the OP  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/10/2018 2:30 am : link
In comment 13857225 Go Terps said:
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The article is basically a summary of Beckham's dipshittery in his four years with the Giants, and it's several paragraphs long. It's a funny read.


Kind of like your sex life
There's a lot I don't like about OBJ...  
Milton : 3/10/2018 6:05 am : link
But I've always been in the "pay the man" camp...until now. This gives me pause. This says "wait and see" before backing up the Brinks truck for a guy who lets "events" control him rather than the other way around. He put himself in a situation that a responsible man with millions of dollars at stake does not put himself in.

I'm not saying they shouldn't eventually give him a big contract, but it's a decision that should be put off until absolutely required. They should apply all the leverage that the NFL CBA allows them before doing so and when they do, it should be a contract that protects them against "conduct detrimental" to the organization (specifically addressing social media images involving drugs).

He has the talent to be the best WR in the game. It'll be a shame if he blows it (no pun intended).
RE: Observations  
mfsd : 3/10/2018 6:11 am : link
In comment 13857232 montanagiant said:
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1) No one has any idea what he is smoking
2) That chick's got nice tits
3) WTF is anyone doing eating a Pizza Hut Pizza?
4) Anyone doing coke is not eating Pizza especially Pizza Hut Pizza
5) That chicks got nice tits
6) If you're a sports star get a damn NDA signed before you hook up with anyone. You're an idiot if you don't.


End thread.
This is less about coke or pot and more about  
Chris684 : 3/10/2018 6:55 am : link
the fact that Beckham is immature.

So far, the owner, 2 fires head coaches and 1 fired GM have all been unable to get through to him about how his constant self promotion and idiotic behavior is bad for the football team. Not only have they all been unable to get through, Beckham openly admits he will do whats best for him even ON the football field. 52 other men be damned.

Im sure Gettleman and Shurmur are thrilled to see this today.

He and Jarvis Landry want to play together very badly. I would love to see it happen in Cleveland. We get the number 4 pick. Beckham and Landry get to follow LeBron around town. Everybody wins.
RE: Maybe i wasnt clear  
ron mexico : 3/10/2018 7:06 am : link
In comment 13857073 twostepgiants said:
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By consequences i meant - what do the Giants do about his contract?


Make him the highest played WR in the game
I have never seen  
TrueBlue56 : 3/10/2018 7:10 am : link
So much overreaction and vitriol to one player. Talk about insanity

There is absolutely nothing to this video whatsoever. The leaps and bounds people are taking is beyond absurd.

For the life of me I just don't get it. Smh!!
RE: RE: Are you willing to bet $80-100 mil  
Giants1956 : 3/10/2018 7:17 am : link
In comment 13857138 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13857133 twostepgiants said:


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For the next 5 years, that Odell Beckham doesnt do cocaine?



Yes, because he has never ever failed a drug test and has never been in thr news for cocaine...

So Why would I assume he does cocaine?


Nygiants, nobody is going to invest $100 million
with someone who might create all sorts of problems.

Actually its an interesting negoitation tactic.
You leave yourself on video's or walk around like
you are someone who matters in the 'scheme of things'
when outside of football he isn't even smart enough
to get an agent who can control this stupid shit until
a deal is signed.

I find that first the mouth expands, then the bank
account next the waistline and finally the ego.
Big contract aren't for everyone. :)

How about we trade him for the #1 pick, since the
Browns are in a trading mode.

Also friendly heads up for Beckham, stay away
from women who have profanity embolden on their
T shirt. You can't take them home to meet mom. (lol)



Missing the bigger picture  
Giantimistic : 3/10/2018 7:29 am : link
Every one needs to relax. This is clearly staged by Pizza Hut as part of their launch as the official pizza sponsor of the NFL. The timing is no coincidence. They are taking a different approach than Papa Johns and the Peyton Manning commercials. Pot is legal lots of places and when smoking ofcourse Pizza Hut pizza looks good. I expect to see the longer commercial come out this week. The credit card is to show how easy one can buy a pizza to be delivered--probably just entering the numbers into the phone app. The new complete Pizza Hut tag line will be introduced as well: "Trying to get you to sleep with somebody, just don't sleep on Pizza Hut: your new go to for football Sundays, Mondays, Thursdays, Saturdays, Oversees and Mexico games, and the 5 day draft."

I think it will really take off.
I live in a bldg with a bunch of NFL players  
TD : 3/10/2018 7:29 am : link
Most of them smoke weed.

Some of them are on the Snoop level - like all day every day, based on how the hallway smells. And Im sure theres occasional coke.

I dont think its a big deal. It is a distraction and bad PR but in OBs defense, Im not sure hewas aware he was being taped. Scumbag move. Cant really fault him for that.
Here is how it works today...  
bw in dc : 3/10/2018 7:34 am : link
for the famous in these situations - you are guilty until proven innocent. Its the whole perception is reality angle. So now OBJ and Jints Central have to deal with this PR problem.

I dont need this video thing to reinforce what I already know - OBJ is a self-involved bullish-t artist, a complete jerk off. As TO once said, he loves me some me. Thats OBJ.

And with Manning begins his days out to pasture, the race for the face of the franchise is on. Do you want it to be this clown show - OBJ?
Thats the point  
NikkiMac : 3/10/2018 8:06 am : link
Mara is only going to let him embarrass the franchise for so long.....
My 2 cents and since I'm bored being up to early this morning  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/10/2018 8:06 am : link
1. I believe in innocent until proven guilty.

2. Why does an Instagram model have a crappy cell phone that has terrible video quality? Same can be said for the sound cutting out like that. She makes her money off of internet pictures and videos that she creates and posts herself. Seems unusual for her to carry a phone that doesn't do sound or video very well.

3. As previously mentioned, she's an Instagram model. For anyone that makes their money on the internet, it's all about the clicks. Real, fake, or otherwise. There's some kind of a scam going on here. This model is just trying to propel her career by destroying someone else's career. Even if the video is real it looks like a setup to me.

4. I looked at some online pictures of OBJs Tattoos and he has a full sleeve on both arms (shoulder to wrists). They don't line up with the video. Could be the bad video quality but I doubt it. Guess you can say I saw the replay before the other team could snap the ball and I am throwing the challenge flag.

5. Regardless, OBJ will be spoken to by the team and league. He will be drug tested. If he passes the drug test then I would call the video 100% BS. If he fails the drug test, sobeit, he will be properly punished and his $$ value significantly drops.
RE: Thats the point  
ajr2456 : 3/10/2018 8:08 am : link
In comment 13857291 NikkiMac said:
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Mara is only going to let him embarrass the franchise for so long.....


Like how they let Tito Wooten beat his girlfriend to the point she killed herself and then gave him a huge contract?
RE: I live in a bldg with a bunch of NFL players  
Giants1956 : 3/10/2018 8:10 am : link
In comment 13857270 TD said:
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Most of them smoke weed.

Some of them are on the Snoop level - like all day every day, based on how the hallway smells. And Im sure theres occasional coke.

I dont think its a big deal. It is a distraction and bad PR but in OBs defense, Im not sure hewas aware he was being taped. Scumbag move. Cant really fault him for that.


TD, it's not a big deal that a man who is beaten up
weekly decides to 'relax'. It's far better than alcohol.

But, when you allow yourself to be video'd and you
don't protect your brand you are being stupid.

"Pool excellence is not about excellent pool"
I had the feeling that Beckham just need a year or two  
Ira : 3/10/2018 8:10 am : link
to grow up. Now, I'm moving in the direction of thinking that he's one of those people who go on making bad decisions throughout their lives.
RE: Observations  
KingBlue : 3/10/2018 8:11 am : link
In comment 13857232 montanagiant said:
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1) No one has any idea what he is smoking
2) That chick's got nice tits
3) WTF is anyone doing eating a Pizza Hut Pizza?
4) Anyone doing coke is not eating Pizza especially Pizza Hut Pizza
5) That chicks got nice tits
6) If you're a sports star get a damn NDA signed before you hook up with anyone. You're an idiot if you don't.


Now I will watch the video... primarily because of observations 2 and 5...
Front page news today  
twostepgiants : 3/10/2018 8:25 am : link
Which was of course obvious the second the video hit
RE: Front page news today  
UConn4523 : 3/10/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 13857306 twostepgiants said:
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Which was of course obvious the second the video hit


Ohh no not that!

No one cares about what headlines say.
The fact that these threads  
UConn4523 : 3/10/2018 8:40 am : link
dont have a thousand posts by now is proof enough how small this ordeal is in the grand scheme of things. Half my friends dont like the Giants or Beckham, ripping on both any chance they get and when I posted the video in our group chat, no one cares. Said it was stupid and moved on to another topic.

The only people that care are people that already think Beckham is a child killer.
The good news  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/10/2018 8:44 am : link
Is that more and more people every day are taking off their blue glasses and coming back to reality.

The guy has JPP syndrome. Literally all you need to do in order to set up your grandkids grandkids for life is just play the choir boy card for like 2 years. These guys are so dumb they can't even do that. How can you trust a guy like that when the chips are down?

It's like watching your teenage kid make dumb decisions over and over and just ignoring it. That's fine but then dont act surprised when shit hits the fan because you kept your head in the sand.

FYI. I don't care if Beckham smokes weed. As has already been said every player does. My issue is the inability to understand the optics.
Every good and bad thing OBJ does is magnified  
AnnapolisMike : 3/10/2018 9:19 am : link
He craves the spotlight, but what he seems to not understand is that it will be on him ALL the time.

Nothing that happened in that video is gonna bite him in the ass. It's the little things, here and there that are distractions.
RE: A lot of thoughts..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/10/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13857223 BurberryManning said:
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A) Isnt it illegal to be in the room with cocaine being consumed even if not using?


Huh? I've never heard this.
yes. I posted this earlier  
twostepgiants : 3/10/2018 9:28 am : link
"Constructive possession is a legal fiction used to describe a situation where an individual has actual control over personal property, but not actual physical control. In other words, if the item is in your car, your room, or some area over which you have control, just not in your pocket, backpack, or in your hand. Under the laws of most states, a person with constructive possession is treated no differently than a person with actual possession."


If its in the room, its the responsibility of the person whose room it is. So if its hotel room, is he listed on the room? If its a house/apartment- is he the renter/owner? If the answer is yes, since he was physically present - then its possession crime.
How is it a possession crime  
UConn4523 : 3/10/2018 9:32 am : link
based on a blurry video? Dont you have to actually be caught in person to be charged with possession of narcotics.

I mean you can hate Beckham all you want but now you are making shit up. Guess I should burn those college pictures of my buddies doing bong rips.
RE: How is it a possession crime  
AnnapolisMike : 3/10/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13857382 UConn4523 said:
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Guess I should burn those college pictures of my buddies doing bong rips.


Just don't post them on social media like a dumbass.
I don't know how old this video is but unfortunetly  
Blue21 : 3/10/2018 9:39 am : link
it's only a matter of time with him. I've been pro OBJ defending him and defending him but he's never going to learn. Wait until DG sees this. And he's up for a big contract? Man is he stupid. I'm sure he's gonna say it was an old video and that was a cigar and that wasn't coke on the table with his lady friend and the credit card. If anyone believes that I got a bridge to sell ya.
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