Mike Garafolo
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Giants have asked CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to take a significant pay cut from the $6.5m hes due in 2018, sources say. No final decisions made either way but DRC and the team are far apart at this point.
Probably nowhere, but Cockwell was a huge find last year. There's players to be had out there. DRC is getting up there in age and probably isn't a factor beyond this year anyway
every player has been evaluated with respect to their production, health, salary etc. They obviously feel his current salary doesn't make sense in that context. He either takes a pay cut or is gone. It has nothing to do with other guys or past contributions. This is how they should operate. It also sends a message to people like JPP who under perform their contract.
in the draft with only five picks and many holes to fill. Free Agency will fill some and I would expect at least 2 Olinemen, 2 LBers and CB depth to be signed. We also need another punter and Kicker competition. Free Safety is also an area of need. This team has far too many hole right now. Maybe a trade down in the draft will net us ther picks we need to address some of these needs, as well.
I feel like he could get 5-6.5 on the open market. Guess he needs to decide if he wants to move teams or if he likes it here. I hope they can work it out and he stays.
wonder why Eli is never asked to take a significant pay cut. all the reasons they want DRC to are the same reasons Eli should
except DRC is better at his position than Eli is
You can ask. His agent will laugh at you though. I don't believe either Manning has ever taken a pay cut or even a team-friendly deal to help the roster.
He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
around when the team is ready to compete for a Superbowl again. Also wonder how much this has to do with whatever was wrong with the secondary last year. Teams can't wait to get rid of him for whatever reason. Does help next season though.
He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
they're that far apart, then he's likely to be cut, unless they agree he can earn more through incentives.
This is the purging that everyone knows was coming. FA starts in a few days. Teams are clearing cap space. The Giants are no different, especially given how awful they were last year. DRC is a prime candidate to be cut. Marshall and Jerry are likely next.
Players were suspended; players slacked off; a roster purge is needed. Who gives a shit if some guy who gets up limping every other play might be cut? The roster is rotten. Many more changes are coming.
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.
Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
DG will have a number in his mind of what he is willing to pay for many of the veterans. (It may not be the initial offer.)
No more back and forth angst. After a short negotiation, it will be "take it or be traded or cut".
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very definite short term date when DRC has to decide.
DG probably has players prioritized and this is the first of several.
He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
I hate comments like this. No offense meant. All I am saying is that if you like "a player" then that means one player and there is no guarantee that particular players would be available when we pick. As most front office people say, FA is used to fill holes so that you don't have any glaring needs going into the draft. The draft is for the future or long term.
that they have been using DRC as a nickel the last 2 seasons. He's not one. If they plan on starting Apple(God help us) they might as well cut DRC. That being said...he is infinitely better outside than Apple is.
For 8 mil is a bad deal but Richard Sherman with two bad wheels signs 3 year 39 mil contract? What about that guy name Eli cant seem to get anyone to agree his contract is ridiculous. I see no reason why any Giants should take a pay cut if you dont want me someone else does.
For 8 mil is a bad deal but Richard Sherman with two bad wheels signs 3 year 39 mil contract? What about that guy name Eli cant seem to get anyone to agree his contract is ridiculous. I see no reason why any Giants should take a pay cut if you dont want me someone else does.
Shermans deal is essentially one year and heavily incentive based
Get hung up on contract terms they know nothing about it seems. No contract in the NFL is really all that comparative as theres a lot of funny money and bonus allocations. Shermans deal is essentially an incentive laden one year deal.
Giants need the cap space and DRC is getting up there and is no longer a starting corner. Not a hard call here folks.
Giants can easily give themselves lots more of cap room by cutting DRC, Marshall etc.
should accept the cut and play for the Giants. Hes not a heavy-duty Corner anymore. Hes advanced in years. There would be a market for him if he forced a release , but he wouldnt get what he is scheduled to receive now . He might not be playing as much with the new team, either .
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.
Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
1 pass defended and 0 Ints. He may have lost a step.
For comparison....Snacks had 3 passes defended and 1 Int.
to be targeted is crazy. This is only the beginning. As they work their way through FA, the roster will become fluid. There will be a lot of coming and going I suspect.
Last week we heard the rumors that the Giants might be interested in Patrick Robinson - who has been regarded as a good slot defender for years and per the link below had a really good 2017 - and people said "too expensive" or "too old" or "going to get overpaid".
Meanwhile...DRC has primarily been in the slot CB for 2 years, he's a year older, and his cap number $8.5m.
My point on DRC would be this - I'm not opposed to keeping him, especially if they think they are going to dump Apple and put him back at his natural position outside, but he had a down year last year and there's a chance you can get a comparable or better player at less money. Anyone comparing that situation to the QB position is a moron because you don't need to look any further than whatever Kirk Cousins salary becomes than to realize it's not nearly the same with Eli Manning. NFL1000: Ranking the Top Slot Defenders of 2017 Season - ( New Window )
Mike Garafolo
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6m6 minutes ago
Giants have asked CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to take a significant pay cut from the $6.5m hes due in 2018, sources say. No final decisions made either way but DRC and the team are far apart at this point.
Apple and Jenkins will be the starters, nickel will be a cheaper vet like Patrick Robinson or Jeremy Lane. Then add a 4th or 5th round pick as depth
Probably nowhere, but Cockwell was a huge find last year. There's players to be had out there. DRC is getting up there in age and probably isn't a factor beyond this year anyway
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Feel like this could be the end of DRCs run with the Giants
There are a few decent second tier CBs in free agency.
There are CB options in the draft.
Bottom line, DRC is about to turn 32 and the front office don't think he is worth his $8.5m cap number.
Free agency and the draft haven't even happened yet...
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Apple sucks. Who is the starting CB and nickel?
Apple and Jenkins will be the starters, nickel will be a cheaper vet like Patrick Robinson or Jeremy Lane. Then add a 4th or 5th round pick as depth
Before you pencil in Apple as a starting CB, lets see if Apple actually shows up for work and/or Gettleman attempts to void his contract.
Count me in the camp that wants DRC back but as Eric pointed out 8.5m cap is a bit much.
Is he really really good at this point?
Dave, JPP/Vernon might perform better if they didn't play nearly every snap.
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He's still a really really good CB.
Is he really really good at this point?
Yes, he is still good.
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He's still a really really good CB.
Is he really really good at this point?
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
wonder why Eli is never asked to take a significant pay cut. all the reasons they want DRC to are the same reasons Eli should
except DRC is better at his position than Eli is
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Eli's salary. Overpaid.
wonder why Eli is never asked to take a significant pay cut. all the reasons they want DRC to are the same reasons Eli should
except DRC is better at his position than Eli is
You can ask. His agent will laugh at you though. I don't believe either Manning has ever taken a pay cut or even a team-friendly deal to help the roster.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
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He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
Well... it helps that Brady's wife makes about 40 million a year more than Eli's wife. That kind of softens the blow for Brady.
And Montana? I think he retired the year that the NFL instituted the salary cap in 1994. I could be wrong, but Joe Montana didn't take any salary cut.
This is the purging that everyone knows was coming. FA starts in a few days. Teams are clearing cap space. The Giants are no different, especially given how awful they were last year. DRC is a prime candidate to be cut. Marshall and Jerry are likely next.
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Eli for a cut in salary......Tom Brady and Joe Montanna did it voluntarily for their teams.
Well... it helps that Brady's wife makes about 40 million a year more than Eli's wife. That kind of softens the blow for Brady.
And Montana? I think he retired the year that the NFL instituted the salary cap in 1994. I could be wrong, but Joe Montana didn't take any salary cut.
you act like Eli doesnt have a rich brother tho! he'd be okay if they knocked 10m off
And in the final year of his contract too
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He's still a really really good CB.
Is he really really good at this point?
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.
Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
...to take a fucking cut in pay?
Just asking.
Unlike lazy incompetent Reese
No more back and forth angst. After a short negotiation, it will be "take it or be traded or cut".
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very definite short term date when DRC has to decide.
DG probably has players prioritized and this is the first of several.
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He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
I hate comments like this. No offense meant. All I am saying is that if you like "a player" then that means one player and there is no guarantee that particular players would be available when we pick. As most front office people say, FA is used to fill holes so that you don't have any glaring needs going into the draft. The draft is for the future or long term.
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Eli's salary. Overpaid.
wonder why Eli is never asked to take a significant pay cut. all the reasons they want DRC to are the same reasons Eli should
except DRC is better at his position than Eli is
Lmao holy shitfuck you have rice and eggs on the brain...
I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?
I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?
We traded a fourth (comp pick) and a sixth for Ogletree.
I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?
The 7th is for next year, I believe.
Only problem with DRC is, he is a year older, is this the year he loses a step, and his ability to play 16 games....
Paying him under 7M is a good deal....it becomes a bad deal when he is standing on the sidelines....
If they are seriously thinking of cutting DRC, then maybe it's time to blow it up and make some Serious cuts....
Shermans deal is essentially one year and heavily incentive based
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He's still a really really good CB.
Is he really really good at this point?
Yes.
It would be nice to see him sacrifice a few mil though.
I like DRC but aging DBs are a dime a dozen. Cut the pay or send him packing.
It would be nice to see him sacrifice a few mil though.
I like DRC but aging DBs are a dime a dozen. Cut the pay or send him packing.
Name one aging CB as good as DRC we can get for under $6 mil
Giants need the cap space and DRC is getting up there and is no longer a starting corner. Not a hard call here folks.
Giants can easily give themselves lots more of cap room by cutting DRC, Marshall etc.
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In comment 13858010 Big Rick in FL said:
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He's still a really really good CB.
Is he really really good at this point?
yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.
Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
1 pass defended and 0 Ints. He may have lost a step.
For comparison....Snacks had 3 passes defended and 1 Int.
Only problem with DRC is, he is a year older, is this the year he loses a step, and his ability to play 16 games....
Paying him under 7M is a good deal....it becomes a bad deal when he is standing on the sidelines....
If they are seriously thinking of cutting DRC, then maybe it's time to blow it up and make some Serious cuts....
Yeah, Cockrell probably doesn't fit the new defense.
Meanwhile...DRC has primarily been in the slot CB for 2 years, he's a year older, and his cap number $8.5m.
My point on DRC would be this - I'm not opposed to keeping him, especially if they think they are going to dump Apple and put him back at his natural position outside, but he had a down year last year and there's a chance you can get a comparable or better player at less money. Anyone comparing that situation to the QB position is a moron because you don't need to look any further than whatever Kirk Cousins salary becomes than to realize it's not nearly the same with Eli Manning.
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