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DRC asked to take pay cut

BeckShepEli : 3/10/2018 4:46 pm
Mike G says they are pretty far off
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/10/2018 4:47 pm : link

Mike Garafolo
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6m6 minutes ago

Giants have asked CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to take a significant pay cut from the $6.5m hes due in 2018, sources say. No final decisions made either way but DRC and the team are far apart at this point.
Clear another 6.5  
Earl the goat : 3/10/2018 4:48 pm : link
Off the cap. I like DRC. But hes injury prone and just not worth it
Salary aside, where are you getting a corner as good or better?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/10/2018 4:49 pm : link
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Really  
XBRONX : 3/10/2018 4:50 pm : link
Apple sucks. Who is the starting CB and nickel?
If  
ryanmkeane : 3/10/2018 4:52 pm : link
we cut DRC and but were able to sign 2 very good OL i think that would be a huge net positive
RE: Really  
Breeze_94 : 3/10/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13857967 XBRONX said:
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Apple sucks. Who is the starting CB and nickel?


Apple and Jenkins will be the starters, nickel will be a cheaper vet like Patrick Robinson or Jeremy Lane. Then add a 4th or 5th round pick as depth
RE: Salary aside, where are you getting a corner as good or better?  
ryanmkeane : 3/10/2018 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13857966 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Probably nowhere, but Cockwell was a huge find last year. There's players to be had out there. DRC is getting up there in age and probably isn't a factor beyond this year anyway
to clarify  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/10/2018 4:54 pm : link
DRC's base salary in 2018 is $6.48 million but his total cap hit is $8.5 million.
Secondary  
XBRONX : 3/10/2018 4:54 pm : link
would suck with Apple and Darian Thompson starting.
Knew this was coming  
jeff57 : 3/10/2018 4:54 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/10/2018 4:55 pm : link

Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
5m5 minutes ago

Dan Duggan Retweeted Mike Garafolo

Feel like this could be the end of DRCs run with the Giants
RE: Salary aside, where are you getting a corner as good or better?  
Big_Pete : 3/10/2018 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13857966 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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There are a few decent second tier CBs in free agency.

There are CB options in the draft.

Bottom line, DRC is about to turn 32 and the front office don't think he is worth his $8.5m cap number.
RE: Secondary  
ryanmkeane : 3/10/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13857978 XBRONX said:
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would suck with Apple and Darian Thompson starting.

Free agency and the draft haven't even happened yet...
It would be great if they can trade him  
Milton : 3/10/2018 5:00 pm : link
Perhaps a team with a lot of cap room and extra picks on Day 3 will appreciate adding a veteran who can play both outside and inside.
He  
AcidTest : 3/10/2018 5:01 pm : link
will be cut. Signing Cockrell will be cheaper.
Salary aside, where are you getting a corner as good or better?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/10/2018 5:01 pm : link
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Delayed double post.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/10/2018 5:02 pm : link
Odd.
Draft"  
XBRONX : 3/10/2018 5:02 pm : link
How many picks do the Giant have left and holes to fill?
RE: Draft  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/10/2018 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13857996 XBRONX said:
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How many picks do the Giant have left and holes to fill?


Five.
RE: RE: Really  
MOOPS : 3/10/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13857972 Breeze_94 said:
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Apple sucks. Who is the starting CB and nickel?



Apple and Jenkins will be the starters, nickel will be a cheaper vet like Patrick Robinson or Jeremy Lane. Then add a 4th or 5th round pick as depth


Before you pencil in Apple as a starting CB, lets see if Apple actually shows up for work and/or Gettleman attempts to void his contract.
Not an unreasonable request  
Peppers : 3/10/2018 5:05 pm : link
considering the way the vet CB market is playing out right now..

Count me in the camp that wants DRC back but as Eric pointed out 8.5m cap is a bit much.
Releasing him would be dumb.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/10/2018 5:06 pm : link
You can trade him. There are a ton of teams with hige cap space that would want a CB like DRC for under $7 mil.
You have to think of roster building  
Dave on the UWS : 3/10/2018 5:07 pm : link
every player has been evaluated with respect to their production, health, salary etc. They obviously feel his current salary doesn't make sense in that context. He either takes a pay cut or is gone. It has nothing to do with other guys or past contributions. This is how they should operate. It also sends a message to people like JPP who under perform their contract.
Sounds like the Giants  
mrvax : 3/10/2018 5:08 pm : link
are serious about clearing some cap space. I'd bet we hear about Marshall soon.
This would be a terrible movd  
Big Rick in FL : 3/10/2018 5:08 pm : link
He's still a really really good CB.
Yea, we can't keep saying we can fill the position  
Simms11 : 3/10/2018 5:09 pm : link
in the draft with only five picks and many holes to fill. Free Agency will fill some and I would expect at least 2 Olinemen, 2 LBers and CB depth to be signed. We also need another punter and Kicker competition. Free Safety is also an area of need. This team has far too many hole right now. Maybe a trade down in the draft will net us ther picks we need to address some of these needs, as well.
Review  
XBRONX : 3/10/2018 5:10 pm : link
Eli's salary. Overpaid.
RE: This would be a terrible movd  
ryanmkeane : 3/10/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13858010 Big Rick in FL said:
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He's still a really really good CB.

Is he really really good at this point?
Robbie - I would bet that's next.  
Dave on the UWS : 3/10/2018 5:10 pm : link
They would only cut him if there are no takers.
RE: You have to think of roster building  
mrvax : 3/10/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13858008 Dave on the UWS said:
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... It also sends a message to people like JPP who under perform their contract.


Dave, JPP/Vernon might perform better if they didn't play nearly every snap.
I dont know  
rasbutant : 3/10/2018 5:10 pm : link
I feel like he could get 5-6.5 on the open market. Guess he needs to decide if he wants to move teams or if he likes it here. I hope they can work it out and he stays.
RE: RE: This would be a terrible movd  
robbieballs2003 : 3/10/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 13858014 ryanmkeane said:
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He's still a really really good CB.


Is he really really good at this point?


Yes, he is still good.
RE: RE: This would be a terrible movd  
riceneggs : 3/10/2018 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13858014 ryanmkeane said:
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He's still a really really good CB.


Is he really really good at this point?


yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.
RE: Review  
riceneggs : 3/10/2018 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13858013 XBRONX said:
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Eli's salary. Overpaid.


wonder why Eli is never asked to take a significant pay cut. all the reasons they want DRC to are the same reasons Eli should

except DRC is better at his position than Eli is
RE: RE: Review  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/10/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13858024 riceneggs said:
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Eli's salary. Overpaid.



wonder why Eli is never asked to take a significant pay cut. all the reasons they want DRC to are the same reasons Eli should

except DRC is better at his position than Eli is


You can ask. His agent will laugh at you though. I don't believe either Manning has ever taken a pay cut or even a team-friendly deal to help the roster.
DRC at $3-4M plus incentives makes sense....  
MOOPS : 3/10/2018 5:19 pm : link
for both sides.
I have been saying a paycut or release for DRC  
Rjanyg : 3/10/2018 5:20 pm : link
He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.
RE: I have been saying a paycut or release for DRC  
Breeze_94 : 3/10/2018 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13858035 Rjanyg said:
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He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.


He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.
Chopping block,  
XBRONX : 3/10/2018 5:34 pm : link
next up. Marshall, Harris and Jerry.
Wonder if they will ask  
Blue Angel : 3/10/2018 5:38 pm : link
Eli for a cut in salary......Tom Brady and Joe Montanna did it voluntarily for their teams.
Probably won't be  
St. Jimmy : 3/10/2018 5:42 pm : link
around when the team is ready to compete for a Superbowl again. Also wonder how much this has to do with whatever was wrong with the secondary last year. Teams can't wait to get rid of him for whatever reason. Does help next season though.
RE: Wonder if they will ask  
Milton : 3/10/2018 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13858058 Blue Angel said:
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Eli for a cut in salary.
You can stop wondering. They won't.
RE: RE: I have been saying a paycut or release for DRC  
Rjanyg : 3/10/2018 5:50 pm : link
In comment 13858051 Breeze_94 said:
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He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.



He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.


Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.
RE: Wonder if they will ask  
kinard : 3/10/2018 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13858058 Blue Angel said:
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Eli for a cut in salary......Tom Brady and Joe Montanna did it voluntarily for their teams.


Well... it helps that Brady's wife makes about 40 million a year more than Eli's wife. That kind of softens the blow for Brady.

And Montana? I think he retired the year that the NFL instituted the salary cap in 1994. I could be wrong, but Joe Montana didn't take any salary cut.
If  
AcidTest : 3/10/2018 5:59 pm : link
they're that far apart, then he's likely to be cut, unless they agree he can earn more through incentives.

This is the purging that everyone knows was coming. FA starts in a few days. Teams are clearing cap space. The Giants are no different, especially given how awful they were last year. DRC is a prime candidate to be cut. Marshall and Jerry are likely next.
Ugh.  
GiantTuff1 : 3/10/2018 6:07 pm : link
I can see the taking a slight pay cut but I really like DRC and I think this team could use him next year.
It's high time for Eli....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/10/2018 6:13 pm : link
....to be asked to take a cut as well.
RE: RE: Wonder if they will ask  
riceneggs : 3/10/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13858077 kinard said:
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Eli for a cut in salary......Tom Brady and Joe Montanna did it voluntarily for their teams.



Well... it helps that Brady's wife makes about 40 million a year more than Eli's wife. That kind of softens the blow for Brady.

And Montana? I think he retired the year that the NFL instituted the salary cap in 1994. I could be wrong, but Joe Montana didn't take any salary cut.


you act like Eli doesnt have a rich brother tho! he'd be okay if they knocked 10m off
Easy for you to say.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/10/2018 6:24 pm : link
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I think you guys should also get your pay cut  
Bill L : 3/10/2018 6:30 pm : link
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RE: Releasing him would be dumb.  
Mark from Jersey : 3/10/2018 6:34 pm : link
In comment 13858007 robbieballs2003 said:
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You can trade him. There are a ton of teams with hige cap space that would want a CB like DRC for under $7 mil.
+1
Eli should be the first one to take a cut  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/10/2018 6:54 pm : link
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RE: Releasing him would be dumb.  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/10/2018 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13858007 robbieballs2003 said:
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You can trade him. There are a ton of teams with hige cap space that would want a CB like DRC for under $7 mil.


And in the final year of his contract too
RE: Eli should be the first one to take a cut  
Bill L : 3/10/2018 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13858133 BigBlue4You09 said:
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you first?
This team was 3-13.  
RottenApple : 3/10/2018 7:06 pm : link
Players were suspended; players slacked off; a roster purge is needed. Who gives a shit if some guy who gets up limping every other play might be cut? The roster is rotten. Many more changes are coming.
RE: RE: RE: This would be a terrible movd  
NYBlueinPA : 3/10/2018 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13858021 riceneggs said:
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He's still a really really good CB.


Is he really really good at this point?



yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.



From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.

Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.
How 'bout we ask Eli...  
M.S. : 3/10/2018 7:25 pm : link

...to take a fucking cut in pay?

Just asking.
GM  
big canoe jeff : 3/10/2018 7:36 pm : link
Needs to work the phones like Phiilly gm Roseman
Unlike lazy incompetent Reese
I sense there will be a a series of Cut and Dry decisions.  
KeoweeFan : 3/10/2018 7:43 pm : link
DG will have a number in his mind of what he is willing to pay for many of the veterans. (It may not be the initial offer.)
No more back and forth angst. After a short negotiation, it will be "take it or be traded or cut".
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a very definite short term date when DRC has to decide.
DG probably has players prioritized and this is the first of several.
Lets see if GM can move him  
big canoe jeff : 3/10/2018 7:53 pm : link
Wing cut was low hanging fruit
RE: RE: RE: I have been saying a paycut or release for DRC  
robbieballs2003 : 3/10/2018 8:00 pm : link
In comment 13858073 Rjanyg said:
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He is good but a nickel CB is not in the field as much. The last game of the year I think DRC played half the game.



He is also going to be 32 years old this year. That is usually an age where corners begin to regress. Not unreasonable to shed his salary and try to find a cheaper, younger guy to replace him.



Yes. I like DRC and think he has talent. But he isn't one of the starting CB so I would cut him, sign Cockrell and maybe Robinson. Apple hopefully gets in line. Dixon played pretty well in the last few games. Jenkins is a stud. There maybe a CB DG likes in the 4th to 5th round in the draft.


I hate comments like this. No offense meant. All I am saying is that if you like "a player" then that means one player and there is no guarantee that particular players would be available when we pick. As most front office people say, FA is used to fill holes so that you don't have any glaring needs going into the draft. The draft is for the future or long term.
The problem is  
Thunderstruck27 : 3/10/2018 9:21 pm : link
that they have been using DRC as a nickel the last 2 seasons. He's not one. If they plan on starting Apple(God help us) they might as well cut DRC. That being said...he is infinitely better outside than Apple is.
RE: RE: Review  
JCin332 : 3/10/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13858024 riceneggs said:
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In comment 13858013 XBRONX said:


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Eli's salary. Overpaid.



wonder why Eli is never asked to take a significant pay cut. all the reasons they want DRC to are the same reasons Eli should

except DRC is better at his position than Eli is


Lmao holy shitfuck you have rice and eggs on the brain...
Giants hardly have  
XBRONX : 3/10/2018 10:12 pm : link
a long list of cuts. Three at most. Jerry, Marshall and Harris. Look at the roster next time you post.
Number of picks  
GeoMan999 : 3/10/2018 10:17 pm : link
Sorry if I missed something, but people keep referencing that we have five picks and I thought we had six.

I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?

RE: Number of picks  
AcidTest : 3/10/2018 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13858279 GeoMan999 said:
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Sorry if I missed something, but people keep referencing that we have five picks and I thought we had six.

I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?


We traded a fourth (comp pick) and a sixth for Ogletree.
RE: Number of picks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/10/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13858279 GeoMan999 said:
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Sorry if I missed something, but people keep referencing that we have five picks and I thought we had six.

I thought the compensatory pick gave us seven and then we lost a net of one in the recent trade?


The 7th is for next year, I believe.
Welp...  
trueblueinpw : 3/10/2018 11:10 pm : link
If the Seahawks can kick to the curb Dick Sherman and the Black Unicorns brother the we should be able to ask DRC to take a pay cut or just be cut.
Cockrell on his best day  
Doomster : 3/10/2018 11:12 pm : link
isn't as good as DRC....I don't think he is as good as Apple....Cockrell is more a zone corner than man to man corner....

Only problem with DRC is, he is a year older, is this the year he loses a step, and his ability to play 16 games....

Paying him under 7M is a good deal....it becomes a bad deal when he is standing on the sidelines....

If they are seriously thinking of cutting DRC, then maybe it's time to blow it up and make some Serious cuts....
DRC  
Dragon : 3/10/2018 11:50 pm : link
For 8 mil is a bad deal but Richard Sherman with two bad wheels signs 3 year 39 mil contract? What about that guy name Eli cant seem to get anyone to agree his contract is ridiculous. I see no reason why any Giants should take a pay cut if you dont want me someone else does.
RE: DRC  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/11/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 13858334 Dragon said:
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For 8 mil is a bad deal but Richard Sherman with two bad wheels signs 3 year 39 mil contract? What about that guy name Eli cant seem to get anyone to agree his contract is ridiculous. I see no reason why any Giants should take a pay cut if you dont want me someone else does.


Shermans deal is essentially one year and heavily incentive based
RE: RE: This would be a terrible movd  
Brick72 : 3/11/2018 12:46 am : link
In comment 13858014 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 13858010 Big Rick in FL said:
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He's still a really really good CB.

Is he really really good at this point?

Yes.
Eli Mannings contract  
giantsFC : 3/11/2018 1:11 am : link
Isnt exacrly horrible compared to what the rest of the crap qbs in the league make.

It would be nice to see him sacrifice a few mil though.

I like DRC but aging DBs are a dime a dozen. Cut the pay or send him packing.
RE: Eli Mannings contract  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/11/2018 1:57 am : link
In comment 13858356 giantsFC said:
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Isnt exacrly horrible compared to what the rest of the crap qbs in the league make.

It would be nice to see him sacrifice a few mil though.

I like DRC but aging DBs are a dime a dozen. Cut the pay or send him packing.


Name one aging CB as good as DRC we can get for under $6 mil
BigBlue4  
XBRONX : 3/11/2018 7:45 am : link
Waiting on someone to answer your astute question?
People  
Sammo85 : 3/11/2018 8:28 am : link
Get hung up on contract terms they know nothing about it seems. No contract in the NFL is really all that comparative as theres a lot of funny money and bonus allocations. Shermans deal is essentially an incentive laden one year deal.

Giants need the cap space and DRC is getting up there and is no longer a starting corner. Not a hard call here folks.

Giants can easily give themselves lots more of cap room by cutting DRC, Marshall etc.
DRC  
RetroJint : 3/11/2018 8:29 am : link
should accept the cut and play for the Giants. Hes not a heavy-duty Corner anymore. Hes advanced in years. There would be a market for him if he forced a release , but he wouldnt get what he is scheduled to receive now . He might not be playing as much with the new team, either .
Either way  
mdthedream : 3/11/2018 8:32 am : link
he can be replaced.
DRC  
Dragon : 3/11/2018 8:33 am : link
Is the only guy on this team that can be asked to take a pay cut or Sayonara seems to me there are twenty or thirty more.
Still think that the people calling for other guys to get a pay cut  
Bill L : 3/11/2018 8:42 am : link
Should have their employers chop their salaries as well.
BigBlue4  
XBRONX : 3/11/2018 9:16 am : link
Still waiting for someone to answer your post
RE: RE: RE: RE: This would be a terrible movd  
Eli Wilson : 3/11/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13858147 NYBlueinPA said:
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He's still a really really good CB.


Is he really really good at this point?



yes, he's still really really good....when motivated.




From Star Ledger article:
"Last season, Rodgers-Cromartie only made five starts and played in 15 games on the way to finishing with 31 tackles and one pass breakup." Really, really? Just sayin.

Might have said good veteran leadership but was one of the suspension problems last year. If he takes a cut you keep, if not he's gone. Cockrell looked pretty good and are few others out there in FA that could help. Would rather not have to spend a draft pick but maybe late round or if they happen to trade down and collect some extras.


1 pass defended and 0 Ints. He may have lost a step.

For comparison....Snacks had 3 passes defended and 1 Int.
anyone who thinks he is the only one  
Dave on the UWS : 3/11/2018 10:09 am : link
to be targeted is crazy. This is only the beginning. As they work their way through FA, the roster will become fluid. There will be a lot of coming and going I suspect.
RE: Cockrell on his best day  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/11/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 13858317 Doomster said:
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isn't as good as DRC....I don't think he is as good as Apple....Cockrell is more a zone corner than man to man corner....

Only problem with DRC is, he is a year older, is this the year he loses a step, and his ability to play 16 games....

Paying him under 7M is a good deal....it becomes a bad deal when he is standing on the sidelines....

If they are seriously thinking of cutting DRC, then maybe it's time to blow it up and make some Serious cuts....


Yeah, Cockrell probably doesn't fit the new defense.
Lionizing DRC while pitchforking Eli is BBI at its finest  
Eric on Li : 3/11/2018 11:11 am : link
Last week we heard the rumors that the Giants might be interested in Patrick Robinson - who has been regarded as a good slot defender for years and per the link below had a really good 2017 - and people said "too expensive" or "too old" or "going to get overpaid".

Meanwhile...DRC has primarily been in the slot CB for 2 years, he's a year older, and his cap number $8.5m.

My point on DRC would be this - I'm not opposed to keeping him, especially if they think they are going to dump Apple and put him back at his natural position outside, but he had a down year last year and there's a chance you can get a comparable or better player at less money. Anyone comparing that situation to the QB position is a moron because you don't need to look any further than whatever Kirk Cousins salary becomes than to realize it's not nearly the same with Eli Manning.
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DRC released.  
Jimmy Googs : 3/11/2018 11:49 am : link
Eli up next...
Still waiting  
XBRONX : 3/11/2018 12:11 pm : link
for ANYONE to tell me who replaces DRC at how much per year.
Gettleman will tell you in due time  
Jimmy Googs : 3/11/2018 12:15 pm : link
so sit tight...
"It's not personal, Sonny.  
PEEJ : 3/11/2018 12:29 pm : link
It's just business"
Did Brady take a pay cut, in the sense that  
Doomster : 3/11/2018 9:58 pm : link
he gave back money, or did he sign an extension, for less than what other qb's were getting in exchange for guaranteed money?
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