but that tweet from Pat is an eye opener. He really fell off a cliff. He was 2nd team All Pro in 2016. I think the hand wringing is misplaced, this roster is a mess and it's going to take a rebuild. There's no quick fix here.
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At a tough position. It sucks when guys like JPP are making what they make after having a less than zero impact season and we can’t pay a good corner 6 million dollars.
We have a lot of holes but to me this just creates another one. If you really like Apple (I’m not sure how that’s possible, but ok) then keeping DRC would give you 3 decent to good CBS which is the minimum. I agree that the whole team sucked but this just doesn’t make sense to me.
Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
I agree with everything you say, except why "...let Eli keep the team competitive?"
Mediocre and drafting 16th ain't a great way to go.
Eli gives us little -- if any -- chance to get back to the Super Bowl.
Much prefer our #2 QB draft choice become an immediate starter and that the Giants find Eli another team that might benefit from his remaining skill-set.
I think you're not totally understanding how bad Eli was last season, WR's or not. He couldn't throw deep, intermediate, or short (even swing passes at the LOS). None of that is likely to improve at age 37. Eli or not, this is a 5/6 win team.
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This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Baby ... bath water. Yeah. Just because a TEAM has a bad year doesn't mean every piece of that team needs to go. That is just ridiculous.
One bad year? This team has been a shot show since 2012
And the prior year we had a great defense and went 11-5 and he played awesome. You missed the part and are focusing on the wrong part. But keep trying.
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must be more locker room motivated. He is pretty solid.
I don’t like it either, but I’m not so sure it is locker room related. I think the Giants tried to renegotiate his cap number, and both parties couldn’t come to an agreement.
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This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Agree. This team needs a serious rebuild. Horrible OL and LBs. Bad RBs. An aging QB. They have several good players at other positions, but they’re in no position to compete with their current roster.
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This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Baby ... bath water. Yeah. Just because a TEAM has a bad year doesn't mean every piece of that team needs to go. That is just ridiculous.
One bad year? This team has been a shot show since 2012
And the prior year we had a great defense and went 11-5 and he played awesome. You missed the part and are focusing on the wrong part. But keep trying.
How about 2014 15 and last year??? Please the defense played a soft ass schedule in 2016 against some awful teams like the browns rams bears ravens bengals those offenses were terrible that year. Wht happen in the steeler and packer games that year we couldn’t make a dam stop. Defense was overrated in 2016 don’t care what anyone says
What does all that have to do with DRC? He has played well other than last year and last year was a shit show. Yes, the team hasn't played well in years but that isn't the point. The point is that he has played well and we sucked last year. Just because of that doesn't mean he has to go along with everybody else. GoTerps' comment was why should we care if anybody stays. My comment was that the baby doesn't need to be thrown out with the bathwater. It is a simple concept to understand. Cherry picking one piece of my post is just ridiculous on your end. He was an all-pro player in 2016 after switching to a new position because Apple couldn't handle it so he was being a team player and succeeded in that role. Also, releasing him just creates another hole to fill. Imo, $6.48 mil is a good value for what he brings to the table. I will give Gettleman the benefit of the doubt here because he has been doing some good stuff so far but I wouldn't have done this. I would have found money elsewhere.
Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
I agree with everything you say, except why "...let Eli keep the team competitive?"
Mediocre and drafting 16th ain't a great way to go.
Eli gives us little -- if any -- chance to get back to the Super Bowl.
Much prefer our #2 QB draft choice become an immediate starter and that the Giants find Eli another team that might benefit from his remaining skill-set.
I think you're not totally understanding how bad Eli was last season, WR's or not. He couldn't throw deep, intermediate, or short (even swing passes at the LOS). None of that is likely to improve at age 37. Eli or not, this is a 5/6 win team.
He couldn't throw deep, intermediate or short? How did he did throw for 3,500 yards, 19 TDs, and had a QB rating of 80 while playing without his starting WRs?
For real. They like to point to the aberration that was 2016, but that D looked better playing some bad offenses. This team reverted back to the bad team it was from 2013, 2014 and 2015 last season.
Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
Was the cancer on the team it started when he didn’t like Goodson telling him what to do ..... good riddance probably wanted to be released anyway knowing there are other teams with a lot of cap space always gets hurt after a tackle adios pal .....
I said last niht that I thought the time DRC would have to decide would be short.
I didn't think Gettleman was in a negotiating mood.
Take it or leave it.
Who's next, and what will their posture be after witnessing this transaction?
I'm suprised we couldn't at least get back a 6th round pick for him Â
His deal wasn't bad for a starting corner. A little more than a year ago they named him 2nd team all-pro. Until I see where the money goes/who the money goes to, this is a bad move IMO. Solder and Norwell need to be brought in.
You're not going to find a veteran CB worth starting that is going to cost less than the $6.5mil DRC was due to make. The Giants better have good plan for the secondary, because right now this move doesn't make much sense.
Unless DRC is a locker room problem. If he's isn't
I'd have kept him for one more year. There must be big
plans in FA. I presume there is going to be 2 major
FA's.
This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
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This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Baby ... bath water. Yeah. Just because a TEAM has a bad year doesn't mean every piece of that team needs to go. That is just ridiculous.
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god this sucks.
This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Baby ... bath water. Yeah. Just because a TEAM has a bad year doesn't mean every piece of that team needs to go. That is just ridiculous.
One bad year? This team has been a shot show since 2012
We have a lot of holes but to me this just creates another one. If you really like Apple (I’m not sure how that’s possible, but ok) then keeping DRC would give you 3 decent to good CBS which is the minimum. I agree that the whole team sucked but this just doesn’t make sense to me.
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Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
I agree with everything you say, except why "...let Eli keep the team competitive?"
Mediocre and drafting 16th ain't a great way to go.
Eli gives us little -- if any -- chance to get back to the Super Bowl.
Much prefer our #2 QB draft choice become an immediate starter and that the Giants find Eli another team that might benefit from his remaining skill-set.
I think you're not totally understanding how bad Eli was last season, WR's or not. He couldn't throw deep, intermediate, or short (even swing passes at the LOS). None of that is likely to improve at age 37. Eli or not, this is a 5/6 win team.
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god this sucks.
This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Baby ... bath water. Yeah. Just because a TEAM has a bad year doesn't mean every piece of that team needs to go. That is just ridiculous.
One bad year? This team has been a shot show since 2012
And the prior year we had a great defense and went 11-5 and he played awesome. You missed the part and are focusing on the wrong part. But keep trying.
He is going to be 32 in April and he’s not worth what he was making. I love what Gettleman is doing it’s about time we had a GM with balls!!!!!
I don’t like it either, but I’m not so sure it is locker room related. I think the Giants tried to renegotiate his cap number, and both parties couldn’t come to an agreement.
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god this sucks.
This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Agree. This team needs a serious rebuild. Horrible OL and LBs. Bad RBs. An aging QB. They have several good players at other positions, but they’re in no position to compete with their current roster.
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god this sucks.
This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Baby ... bath water. Yeah. Just because a TEAM has a bad year doesn't mean every piece of that team needs to go. That is just ridiculous.
One bad year? This team has been a shot show since 2012
And the prior year we had a great defense and went 11-5 and he played awesome. You missed the part and are focusing on the wrong part. But keep trying.
How about 2014 15 and last year??? Please the defense played a soft ass schedule in 2016 against some awful teams like the browns rams bears ravens bengals those offenses were terrible that year. Wht happen in the steeler and packer games that year we couldn’t make a dam stop. Defense was overrated in 2016 don’t care what anyone says
The more changes to the roster the better.
Hate this move.
No regime, big changes.
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This is one of the worst teams in the league. Why would we want it kept together?
Because DRC is still a game changer.
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He is going to be 32 in April and he’s not worth what he was making. I love what Gettleman is doing it’s about time we had a GM with balls!!!!!
I guarantee if we extended him today you'd be raving about the move.
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god this sucks.
He is going to be 32 in April and he’s not worth what he was making. I love what Gettleman is doing it’s about time we had a GM with balls!!!!!
I guarantee if we extended him today you'd be raving about the move.
He’s 32 + on a bad team. That’s an equation that should result in a cap casualty 10 out of 10 times.
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Gettleman is going to look at age and look at the reality that while technically the Giants should try to rebuild and win, this is not a 1 year turn around. Not with a 37 year old QB. Time to get younger.
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
I agree with everything you say, except why "...let Eli keep the team competitive?"
Mediocre and drafting 16th ain't a great way to go.
Eli gives us little -- if any -- chance to get back to the Super Bowl.
Much prefer our #2 QB draft choice become an immediate starter and that the Giants find Eli another team that might benefit from his remaining skill-set.
I think you're not totally understanding how bad Eli was last season, WR's or not. He couldn't throw deep, intermediate, or short (even swing passes at the LOS). None of that is likely to improve at age 37. Eli or not, this is a 5/6 win team.
He couldn't throw deep, intermediate or short? How did he did throw for 3,500 yards, 19 TDs, and had a QB rating of 80 while playing without his starting WRs?
Can’t figure it out. They just cut one of their best players. A team with a lot of holes to fill. Just created another.
Guess they don’t dare ask Eli to take the pay cut.
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god this sucks.
He is going to be 32 in April and he’s not worth what he was making. I love what Gettleman is doing it’s about time we had a GM with balls!!!!!
I guarantee if we extended him today you'd be raving about the move.
He’s 32 + on a bad team. That’s an equation that should result in a cap casualty 10 out of 10 times.
Should have traded him, he's going to earn more than $6.5M/year on his next team.
For real. They like to point to the aberration that was 2016, but that D looked better playing some bad offenses. This team reverted back to the bad team it was from 2013, 2014 and 2015 last season.
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Are we trying to win next year or rebuild?
Can’t figure it out. They just cut one of their best players. A team with a lot of holes to fill. Just created another.
Guess they don’t dare ask Eli to take the pay cut.
Best player?
If I'm the Giants, I'm going QB, let Eli keep the team competitive while they groom his successor, but if you aren't a core player and you are nearing or on the wrong side of 30, they should be cleared out.
I Agree with this
I didn't think Gettleman was in a negotiating mood.
Take it or leave it.
Who's next, and what will their posture be after witnessing this transaction?
Unless DRC is a locker room problem. If he's isn't
I'd have kept him for one more year. There must be big
plans in FA. I presume there is going to be 2 major
FA's.
Pretty sure they know what they are doing and why they are doing it.
Agreed. I also agree with Sammo85 that he's not coming back. Best wishes.
Pretty sure they know what they are doing and why they are doing it.
I think that remains to be seen. It's not like this franchise is on a run of good decisions.