Why no love for QB Mason Rudolph in rounds 2-3?

That is very similar. Why take another?

Pats, chargers, saints, Steelers. Maybe even Vikings depend on what they do in fa.

In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said:

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That is very similar. Why take another?

Simply because Webb is on the roster keeps you from taking (hypothetically) a QB that may be your future? If they have conviction about a guy, take him... I’m not saying they love Rudolph, but if they do, he could be a target... just haven’t see his name discussed much...

In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said:

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That is very similar. Why take another?

Because we have to pick a QB in this draft no matter what. Eli is 37, you know.

than to use another pick on a lower round QB.

Because that’s where he’s projected... but I personally feel like trading back up into round 1 for the 5th year option is worth it...

I go based on what I’ve seen and not by draft hype and he’s the real deal. Allen has the most upside and desirable physical traits but I like him as a late first rounder.

In comment 13859362 NYGmen58 said:

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I go based on what I’ve seen and not by draft hype and he’s the real deal. Allen has the most upside and desirable physical traits but I like him as a late first rounder.

As far as value is concerned, I agree... I would rather spend a late 1st, early 2nd on Rudolph, than a #2 on Allen or Darnold...

Name the last successful NFL QB to come out of the Big 12.

than use the pick at 2 were all the big 4 have a huge bust potential darnold with interceptions,rosens injury history,allens completion percentage and mayfield has his off-field issues and lack of physical measurable including height many of us just dont see any of them as worth that number 2 pick

if they move back and get extra picks i would be more inclined
to add someone like rudolph in round 2 but they have eli who can play well enough for 2 years if they dont cut him for cap reasons the ability to extend OBJ and collins could force their hands on eli due to the cap (unless he was willing to cut which is probably unlikely)

some on here like lamar jackson but he strikes me as a tyrell pryor gadget player/slash QB rather than a true QB,they have webb and we dont know what he is capable of if webb doesnt work out they have a down year and can take a QB
then or trade up if the guy they believe in is there so

i dont get the must draft a QB regardless camps logic on this if they believe any of those guys are worth the pick i have no problem with them drafting a QB but i dont dont see any of them as being that guy they are looking for and neither do many others

would rather add a draft pick for the 3rd QB in future than have a dud like geno smith clogging up a roster spot when you have no intention of using him in anything less than an emergency because you have nobody else but they have enough needs that unless they felt strongly enough about rudolph to take him over the places of higher need OL,LB,CB,DE,WR instead or got extra picks that would mitigate the risk of not taking one of your higher priority positions instead then it seams like a bit of luxury/wasted pick

He is not good at all and will never make it in the nfl. Below average arm. Not athletic but does have good size. Cannot extend plays and shows poor pocket presence. Poor deep ball with a lot of air under it. Played in the spread offense wasn’t under center much at all. I have him behind lauletta and silvers. I’d prefer those 2 as “developmental qbs” over mason.

In comment 13859406 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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Name the last successful NFL QB to come out of the Big 12.

These types of lazy responses always make me shake my head. As if coming from a certain conference or school automatically equates to failure.

In comment 13859331 Saos1n said:

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In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said: Quote: That is very similar. Why take another? Simply because Webb is on the roster keeps you from taking (hypothetically) a QB that may be your future? If they have conviction about a guy, take him... I’m not saying they love Rudolph, but if they do, he could be a target... just haven’t see his name discussed much...

You don't have a QB entering his 15th year, a #2 pick
and draft Mason Rudolph!!
Saos1n, he 'could be a target' but he won't.

and if the differential isn't that great, and it doesn't seem like it is, then it's a poor #2 pick. It's like eschewing Starkist to pay $20.00 more for Bumblebee.

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In comment 13859439 Brown Recluse said:

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In comment 13859406 Nomad Crow on the Madison said: Quote: Name the last successful NFL QB to come out of the Big 12. These types of lazy responses always make me shake my head. As if coming from a certain conference or school automatically equates to failure.

By that logic Barkley will suck wait someone tell Cleveland

In comment 13859331 Saos1n said:

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In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said: Quote: That is very similar. Why take another? Simply because Webb is on the roster keeps you from taking (hypothetically) a QB that may be your future? If they have conviction about a guy, take him... I’m not saying they love Rudolph, but if they do, he could be a target... just haven’t see his name discussed much...

Im saying, if Webb were in this draft he would grade out very close to Rudolph. They have extremely similar skill sets. Why would you waste a draft pick on a player that you already have?

He doesn't have the arm to be a quality starter. He's a bigger Case Keenum.

that's why he's considered the 6th rated QB in this draft. At that point, I'm much more content to stick with what we've got.

In comment 13859335 Bill L said:

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In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said: Quote: That is very similar. Why take another? Because we have to pick a QB in this draft no matter what. Eli is 37, you know.

Eli is 37 and we need to find his replacement as soon as we can, but you never take a player just to take a player. If Gettleman looks at the QBs and decides none of them are stars, then he'd do better to get other players - or take a "non-star" in the appropriate round.

In comment 13859544 FStubbs said:

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In comment 13859335 Bill L said: Quote: In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said: Quote: That is very similar. Why take another? Because we have to pick a QB in this draft no matter what. Eli is 37, you know. Eli is 37 and we need to find his replacement as soon as we can, but you never take a player just to take a player. If Gettleman looks at the QBs and decides none of them are stars, then he'd do better to get other players - or take a "non-star" in the appropriate round.

That's an interesting stance. Not sure I buy it. I think that we simply *must* take a QB, because, you know, he's a QB. And Eli won't be here 3 years from now.

With a coveted pick, when we got guys on the roster who fit that same exact mold? I can see drafting one on the third day if we don’t get a qb with the number two pick and someone slips thru the cracks, but after that, it just doesn’t make sense.

I just don’t consider Rudolph as a value pick on day 2.

"HAD" to draft a QB for whatever reason. Christian Ponder, Chad Henne, EJ Manuel. We could go on and on.

As others have said here and over and over for months posts on this same topic: unless you think that one of the QBs is THE GUY, you don't reach. You take the best player available in your draft slot.

In comment 13859335 Bill L said:

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In comment 13859324 Capt. Don said: Quote: That is very similar. Why take another? Because we have to pick a QB in this draft no matter what. Eli is 37, you know.

We dont HAVE to take a QB in this draft. And if we DO HAVE TO take one, why would we take a QB that we already have? If we HAVE to take one, you take one at #2.

In comment 13859587 barens said:

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With a coveted pick, when we got guys on the roster who fit that same exact mold? I can see drafting one on the third day if we don’t get a qb with the number two pick and someone slips thru the cracks, but after that, it just doesn’t make sense. I just don’t consider Rudolph as a value pick on day 2.

No offense, but you guys have very weird takes.

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we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be?

you are rarely in this draft spot, and there are potentially great QB's to choose from. I just don't see a reason to reach for a QB in any rounds after the first, unless the value is just too good to pass up.

In comment 13859662 Bill L said:

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we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be?

I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not.

The OP is saying that we should consider taking Rudolph in round 2 or 3. Are you saying that we wont have a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year or the year after? We already have a 3rd round pick QB who has much of the same qualities as Rudolph. Why would we waste a 2nd/3rd round pick on a QB that has the same skill set/ceiling as a young player that we already have?

In comment 13859662 Bill L said:

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we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be?

We get it. You're so locked into your opinion about this year's QB class that you're incapable of rational discussion, but we get it.

In comment 13859673 Capt. Don said:

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In comment 13859662 Bill L said: Quote: we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be? I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not. The OP is saying that we should consider taking Rudolph in round 2 or 3. Are you saying that we wont have a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year or the year after? We already have a 3rd round pick QB who has much of the same qualities as Rudolph. Why would we waste a 2nd/3rd round pick on a QB that has the same skill set/ceiling as a young player that we already have?

He's being completely sarcastic. He's vehemently anti-QB.

In comment 13859692 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13859673 Capt. Don said: Quote: In comment 13859662 Bill L said: Quote: we will never ever have the chance to get a QB again. And when Eli leaves a few years down the road, where will we be? I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not. The OP is saying that we should consider taking Rudolph in round 2 or 3. Are you saying that we wont have a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year or the year after? We already have a 3rd round pick QB who has much of the same qualities as Rudolph. Why would we waste a 2nd/3rd round pick on a QB that has the same skill set/ceiling as a young player that we already have? He's being completely sarcastic. He's vehemently anti-QB.

I'm not. As I've said before, I'm pro-best player so long as the talent differential exceeds the positional need. And I think that is abundantly true for at least one player at the top of the draft. In contrast, I think many others are so locked into a QB, that they don't really care about the ability per se. They assume that the top QB *must* be good in quality simply because they are the top QB or that because there are several draft-worthy QB's. But when you read evaluations, *maybe* Rosen slides into that category where his ability + position overcomes the talent margin of difference. But, admittedly, I'm vehemently anti-Rosen for other reasons which I feel impact his ability to be a long-term solution for the QB problem. Now, if Barkley goes #1, I could see a (non-Rosen QB), although it's very close, I feel, relative to the talent of the top remaining non-QB players.

maybe mockery but mostly gentle teasing...

this season still holes to fill we have like zero depth

He throws a beautiful deep ball, but his accuracy outside of that isn't very good. Nor is his arm strength. He's my 11th highest rated QB.

If we are looking to draft a QB after round 1 (not that I'm suggesting it), two guys I'd look at are Kyle Lauletta and Mike White.