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Lets hope Norwell who is an East Coast guy  
Rflairr : 3/12/2018 3:29 pm : link
Wants to stay on the East Coast
RE: Allstarjim  
allstarjim : 3/12/2018 3:36 pm : link
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Maybe thats the case, but they used their first round pick on him last year to be a blocking TE? Looking at OJs stats he did have 6 TDs on only 26 receptions. They just backed up the brinx truck for Evans.


And they use both players. It's not a referendum on Howard at this point. You shouldn't judge any player off of one year, particularly their rookie year. With how they use Brate (slot and outside at times), there is room for both players to thrive in that offense.

It's a Brinks truck, btw.

RE: RE: RE: RE: I read this as Norwell camp  
Beer Man : 3/12/2018 3:38 pm : link
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trying to push the Giants number upward



Could be, but it's not as if SF or anyone else wouldn't want him. It's not a good time of the football year to trust what leaks out.

SF has $70M in cap space. They can outbid Gmen if they choose



They can, but unless they want to blow the current benchmark for $ on a guard out of the water the money is going to be the same as the Giants can offer. It'll come down to where he wants to sign.
What, are you going to follow me around and debate each of my post today? Simple economics, there are limited number of quality FA OL this year, and a number of teams with a lot of cap space. Someone will outbid the Giants if they want him bad enough. We saw the same in each of the last two seasons with FA OL. But once again, thank you for sharing.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/12/2018 3:38 pm : link

Jordan Raanan
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Giants focus at the start of free agency is on Panthers guard Andrew Norwell, per source. They're optimistic about their chances of landing the All Pro guard. It will not be cheap though.
was just looking at a Giants game from 2015  
mittenedman : 3/12/2018 3:45 pm : link
and Richburg looked much bigger....agent pushing that he couldn't work out last 2 years and played in a broken scheme
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Jon in NYC : 3/12/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13860257 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan
‏Verified account @JordanRaanan
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Giants focus at the start of free agency is on Panthers guard Andrew Norwell, per source. They're optimistic about their chances of landing the All Pro guard. It will not be cheap though.


Good. Top player, young, productive, huge position of need. Makes too much sense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I read this as Norwell camp  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2018 3:51 pm : link
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trying to push the Giants number upward



Could be, but it's not as if SF or anyone else wouldn't want him. It's not a good time of the football year to trust what leaks out.

SF has $70M in cap space. They can outbid Gmen if they choose



They can, but unless they want to blow the current benchmark for $ on a guard out of the water the money is going to be the same as the Giants can offer. It'll come down to where he wants to sign.

What, are you going to follow me around and debate each of my post today? Simple economics, there are limited number of quality FA OL this year, and a number of teams with a lot of cap space. Someone will outbid the Giants if they want him bad enough. We saw the same in each of the last two seasons with FA OL. But once again, thank you for sharing.


I'm really not tracking who I'm responding to with every post. Short of a wild overpay that stuns the league, there are realistic expectations of what a top Guard gets on the market.

It's not going to be a massive jump from what we've seen over the past few years. We're seeing interior offensive linemen be paid more over the past few seasons and I'm sure they're keenly aware of that when they made their plan. It's probably why the previous GM chose not to pursue top linemen.

So, again, barring a team doing something shocking and stupid, the Giants likely expect that they'll have to make Norwell this year's highest-paid linemen in order to sign him. You can usually make a guess of what it'll cose based on the structure of the last guy who was paid the most.

Right now it's Kevin Zeitler, who signed for 5/60, with an annual cap hit average of $12m.

The year before, Osemele signed a deal that averaged $11.7.

If Norwell signs a deal that averages anywhere near 15-16m, it would be a massive shock.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I read this as Norwell camp  
YAJ2112 : 3/12/2018 3:52 pm : link
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trying to push the Giants number upward



Could be, but it's not as if SF or anyone else wouldn't want him. It's not a good time of the football year to trust what leaks out.

SF has $70M in cap space. They can outbid Gmen if they choose



They can, but unless they want to blow the current benchmark for $ on a guard out of the water the money is going to be the same as the Giants can offer. It'll come down to where he wants to sign.

What, are you going to follow me around and debate each of my post today? Simple economics, there are limited number of quality FA OL this year, and a number of teams with a lot of cap space. Someone will outbid the Giants if they want him bad enough. We saw the same in each of the last two seasons with FA OL. But once again, thank you for sharing.


Ha, considering you responded to me first on the other thread this would be exactly one thread I responded to you. Hardly following you. And not coincidentally, they were both about the salary cap which I'm particularly interested in.

What does outbid mean to you in terms of actual $? In other words, if the Giants are willing to play at the 5/65mm range - what do you think SF would have to offer to outbid the Giants to the point where the Giants couldn't match due to the cap?
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Beer Man : 3/12/2018 3:59 pm : link
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trying to push the Giants number upward



Could be, but it's not as if SF or anyone else wouldn't want him. It's not a good time of the football year to trust what leaks out.

SF has $70M in cap space. They can outbid Gmen if they choose



They can, but unless they want to blow the current benchmark for $ on a guard out of the water the money is going to be the same as the Giants can offer. It'll come down to where he wants to sign.

What, are you going to follow me around and debate each of my post today? Simple economics, there are limited number of quality FA OL this year, and a number of teams with a lot of cap space. Someone will outbid the Giants if they want him bad enough. We saw the same in each of the last two seasons with FA OL. But once again, thank you for sharing.



Ha, considering you responded to me first on the other thread this would be exactly one thread I responded to you. Hardly following you. And not coincidentally, they were both about the salary cap which I'm particularly interested in.

What does outbid mean to you in terms of actual $? In other words, if the Giants are willing to play at the 5/65mm range - what do you think SF would have to offer to outbid the Giants to the point where the Giants couldn't match due to the cap?
I have no idea where DG will draw the line, as this is the Giants first off-season with him at the helm. The old regime seem to resist grossly overpaying for O-lineman and consequently was only able to sign Fluker in recent seasons, even though the team was in great need on the OL.
RE: RE: RE: I read this as Norwell camp  
njm : 3/12/2018 4:00 pm : link
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trying to push the Giants number upward



Could be, but it's not as if SF or anyone else wouldn't want him. It's not a good time of the football year to trust what leaks out.

SF has $70M in cap space. They can outbid Gmen if they choose


And given California's income tax rates, unbelievably even higher than New Jersey's, they'd have to.
RE: I wish  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2018 4:16 pm : link
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We'd talk to Pugh about a return and a position switch to center. He's light for a RT and not enough of a bull at OG but if he moved to the pivot, I think we'd have a great start to rebuilding the OL. He's big for a center, he won't take as much punishment and he's a bright player who I think could easily anchor the OL as a center.


The only problem with that is with his short arms he might not be physically capable of moving the ball from the ground to his taint. He might continually snap the ball directly in his nuts.
RE: RE: I wish  
giantsFC : 3/12/2018 4:21 pm : link
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The only problem with that is with his short arms he might not be physically capable of moving the ball from the ground to his taint. He might continually snap the ball directly in his nuts.


I truly wasn't expecting a comment like this. Way to win the Monday. Hilarious.
Houston is  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/12/2018 4:43 pm : link
reaching out to Drew Brees. That would be interesting.
The Bengals gave up 9 draft slots  
Chris684 : 3/12/2018 4:44 pm : link
to acquire Cordy Glenn?

Am I off base for thinking that's outrageous and a terrible move for Cincinnati?
Do the Saints  
Beer Man : 3/12/2018 4:44 pm : link
Have their next QB in house?
Looks like the Bills  
Beer Man : 3/12/2018 4:48 pm : link
Are positioning themselves to possibly trade up for a QB. Dropping from 12 into the top 10 is much more palatable than dropping from the 20's.
RE: The Bengals gave up 9 draft slots  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2018 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13860444 Chris684 said:
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to acquire Cordy Glenn?

Am I off base for thinking that's outrageous and a terrible move for Cincinnati?


I was kinda thinking the same thing. How did they not get at least a 3rd rounder too?
RE: Houston is  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/12/2018 4:51 pm : link
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reaching out to Drew Brees. That would be interesting.


Correction it was the Viikings.
RE: The Bengals gave up 9 draft slots  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2018 4:52 pm : link
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to acquire Cordy Glenn?

Am I off base for thinking that's outrageous and a terrible move for Cincinnati?


The terrible move is letting their All-Pro LT Whitworth walk away. They thought the young depth was ready to take over. Now, they have to double down on the mistake and get Glenn.
RE: Looks like the Bills  
jeff57 : 3/12/2018 4:54 pm : link
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Are positioning themselves to possibly trade up for a QB. Dropping from 12 into the top 10 is much more palatable than dropping from the 20's.


How about the Giants trade the 2 to Buffalo for picks 12, 22, 53 and 55?
Strong chance McGlinchey is there @ 12 anyway  
Chris684 : 3/12/2018 4:55 pm : link
this really doesnt make sense for Cincinnati.
Reporter who covers the 49ers  
Defenderdawg : 3/12/2018 4:56 pm : link
Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS)
3/12/18, 4:51 PM
In keeping with their advertised prudent approach, I dont envision the #49ers extending too far for free-agent guard Andrew Norwell. He is considered the top guy at that spot on the open market and can be expected to become the highest-paid guard in the league.
RE: RE: Houston is  
Diver_Down : 3/12/2018 4:58 pm : link
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reaching out to Drew Brees. That would be interesting.



Correction it was the Viikings.


Cardinals and any other team that needs a QB should be calling Condon. If a team is prepared to back up the Brinks truck for Cousins, those same teams should be doing the same to Brees. Perhaps the length of the contract terms won't be the same, but the yearly salary should be. Brees is a first-ballot HOF'er. It is the Saints fault for letting it get to this point. Now, they should have to compete for Brees services on the open market the same as any other team. Brees playing pitch and catch with Larry Fitz with David Johnson toting the rock? -Yes, Please.
Now a Cardinals reporter  
Defenderdawg : 3/12/2018 5:02 pm : link
Kent Somers (@kentsomers)
3/12/18, 5:00 PM
Cardinals have interest in G Andrew Norwell but not at an exorbitant number. And someone is likely to give him something exorbitant.
RE: Reporter who covers the 49ers  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/12/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13860480 Defenderdawg said:
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Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS)
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In keeping with their advertised prudent approach, I dont envision the #49ers extending too far for free-agent guard Andrew Norwell. He is considered the top guy at that spot on the open market and can be expected to become the highest-paid guard in the league.


I find this hard to believe after trading for and signing Jimmy G, extending Goodwin, signing Sherman, etc.
RE: Strong chance McGlinchey is there @ 12 anyway  
Breeze_94 : 3/12/2018 5:05 pm : link
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this really doesnt make sense for Cincinnati.


HORRIBLE trade by Cincy IMO. The price for trading up in round 1, especially to the 12th pick from the 20's, is usually an additional 1st rounder(Houston, KC last year). They got an overpriced 29 year old OT who is slightly above average with injury concerns. They should have gotten both picks 21 and 22 IMO.
Maybe, but Cincy has a starting LT AND the 23rd (or 24th)  
ZogZerg : 3/12/2018 5:10 pm : link
pick in the first round.

I'm not saying it's a good move, but they still have a first round pick, so I don't think it is as bad as you may think.
RE: RE: Looks like the Bills  
Pep22 : 3/12/2018 5:12 pm : link
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Are positioning themselves to possibly trade up for a QB. Dropping from 12 into the top 10 is much more palatable than dropping from the 20's.



How about the Giants trade the 2 to Buffalo for picks 12, 22, 53 and 55?


I'm going to need more than that. Perhaps, 12, 22, 53, 55 + Peterman + a Day 2 pick next year. And that is only if the NYG powers that be are sold on the notion that Webb is a solid QB prospect w/ Peterman as a viable backup (or the reverse I suppose).
RE: RE: Looks like the Bills  
yankeeslover : 3/12/2018 5:13 pm : link
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Are positioning themselves to possibly trade up for a QB. Dropping from 12 into the top 10 is much more palatable than dropping from the 20's.



How about the Giants trade the 2 to Buffalo for picks 12, 22, 53 and 55?

Or we stay put and take bpa. Guaranteed one of Barkley or Darnold
Give me 12, 22 and next year's first  
adamg : 3/12/2018 5:17 pm : link
I'd take Guice, Vander Esch, and potentially have a top 10 pick next year.
RE: RE: Strong chance McGlinchey is there @ 12 anyway  
AcidTest : 3/12/2018 5:17 pm : link
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this really doesnt make sense for Cincinnati.



HORRIBLE trade by Cincy IMO. The price for trading up in round 1, especially to the 12th pick from the 20's, is usually an additional 1st rounder(Houston, KC last year). They got an overpriced 29 year old OT who is slightly above average with injury concerns. They should have gotten both picks 21 and 22 IMO.


Agreed. As someone said, the mistake was letting Whitworth go. This just compounds that mistake. It looks desperate. But it does get Buffalo a lot closer to one of the "big three" QBs.
RE: RE: RE: Looks like the Bills  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2018 5:22 pm : link
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Are positioning themselves to possibly trade up for a QB. Dropping from 12 into the top 10 is much more palatable than dropping from the 20's.



How about the Giants trade the 2 to Buffalo for picks 12, 22, 53 and 55?



I'm going to need more than that. Perhaps, 12, 22, 53, 55 + Peterman + a Day 2 pick next year. And that is only if the NYG powers that be are sold on the notion that Webb is a solid QB prospect w/ Peterman as a viable backup (or the reverse I suppose).


Your proposed trade is more than the Giants sent for Eli Manning.
Bills are trading into the Top 5  
AcesUp : 3/12/2018 5:22 pm : link
I'd consider it an upset if they didn't. They shipped their starting QB off and opted to move up in the first instead of acquiring an extra 2nd from the Bengals. The Giants will have options at the second pick.
RE: I wish  
Racer : 3/12/2018 5:27 pm : link
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We'd talk to Pugh about a return and a position switch to center. He's light for a RT and not enough of a bull at OG but if he moved to the pivot, I think we'd have a great start to rebuilding the OL. He's big for a center, he won't take as much punishment and he's a bright player who I think could easily anchor the OL as a center.


I remember that he took snaps at C in Senior Bowl practice and told the Sirius guys he was comfortable with it. Always wondered since he's the 'versatility guy' that he never worked there for NYG.

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adamg : 3/12/2018 5:28 pm : link
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Are positioning themselves to possibly trade up for a QB. Dropping from 12 into the top 10 is much more palatable than dropping from the 20's.



How about the Giants trade the 2 to Buffalo for picks 12, 22, 53 and 55?



I'm going to need more than that. Perhaps, 12, 22, 53, 55 + Peterman + a Day 2 pick next year. And that is only if the NYG powers that be are sold on the notion that Webb is a solid QB prospect w/ Peterman as a viable backup (or the reverse I suppose).



Your proposed trade is more than the Giants sent for Eli Manning.


And? They'd be trading from #12 to #2. Not #4 to #1. And presumably they're not taking a player who doesn't want to go to the Giants. There's no way they can get away with just trading their two present 1s to get in the top 2.
RE: RE: Houston is  
shyster : 3/12/2018 5:29 pm : link
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reaching out to Drew Brees. That would be interesting.



Correction it was the Viikings.


Mentioned on the previous thread that Broncos' fans are on the alert on this. Brees has the same agent (Tom Condon) as Peyton Manning, and Elway knows Condon very well.

Would have thought the Saints' would have a solid gentleman's agreement in place but, if not, Cousins has some competition.
RE: Give me 12, 22 and next year's first  
allstarjim : 3/12/2018 5:30 pm : link
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I'd take Guice, Vander Esch, and potentially have a top 10 pick next year.


I think you still need a 2nd rounder this year to do the deal.

On the points scale, yes the 12th, 22nd, and next year's first works, but I still need another pick this year to give up #2 and potentially the top QB in this draft.
I'm waiting on hitdog42  
est1986 : 3/12/2018 5:32 pm : link
To enlighten us all.
RE: RE: Give me 12, 22 and next year's first  
adamg : 3/12/2018 5:34 pm : link
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I'd take Guice, Vander Esch, and potentially have a top 10 pick next year.



I think you still need a 2nd rounder this year to do the deal.

On the points scale, yes the 12th, 22nd, and next year's first works, but I still need another pick this year to give up #2 and potentially the top QB in this draft.


I agree. I almost included their second 2, but I was being conservative because I tend to get a bit excited about trade down potential. I think we're in a position of enormous strength right now. Especially for a team like the Bills looking to sneak into the top...
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Pep22 : 3/12/2018 5:34 pm : link
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Are positioning themselves to possibly trade up for a QB. Dropping from 12 into the top 10 is much more palatable than dropping from the 20's.



How about the Giants trade the 2 to Buffalo for picks 12, 22, 53 and 55?



I'm going to need more than that. Perhaps, 12, 22, 53, 55 + Peterman + a Day 2 pick next year. And that is only if the NYG powers that be are sold on the notion that Webb is a solid QB prospect w/ Peterman as a viable backup (or the reverse I suppose).



Your proposed trade is more than the Giants sent for Eli Manning.


No its not. Key aspect of my trade as oppose to the Eli trade is that this trade takes NYG out of the QB picture in terms of replacing Eli. Its not like we're moving to 4. We're moving to 12.
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Beer Man : 3/12/2018 5:41 pm : link
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I'd take Guice, Vander Esch, and potentially have a top 10 pick next year.



I think you still need a 2nd rounder this year to do the deal.

On the points scale, yes the 12th, 22nd, and next year's first works, but I still need another pick this year to give up #2 and potentially the top QB in this draft.



I agree. I almost included their second 2, but I was being conservative because I tend to get a bit excited about trade down potential. I think we're in a position of enormous strength right now. Especially for a team like the Bills looking to sneak into the top...
Not just the Bills. There are two or three teams between the Giants and Bills picks that want a QB and don't want to be leaped-frogged.
Someone could offer that King's ransom to the Giants  
est1986 : 3/12/2018 5:46 pm : link
Believing that Buffalo could make that same move if they don't.. Denver and Jets have to be fearful of the Bills jumping them now. I can almost guarentee someone moves up to get one of NY's pick at 2, Indy's pick at 3 or Cleveland's pick at 4.
Marshall Newhouse cut by Raiders  
adamg : 3/12/2018 5:50 pm : link
Kick the tires?
Some cold water on a trade down with Bills  
twostepgiants : 3/12/2018 5:53 pm : link

Bills are now 12. Probably want to get into top 11 to get get one of top 4 QBs. I think 12 is too far for #Giants to trade down
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
If they can do something to get to 6th (Jets pick)  
est1986 : 3/12/2018 5:54 pm : link
Then maybe we will answer their call
RE: Some cold water on a trade down with Bills  
twostepgiants : 3/12/2018 5:54 pm : link
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Bills are now 12. Probably want to get into top 11 to get get one of top 4 QBs. I think 12 is too far for #Giants to trade down
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter


Im sorry. This is a Ryan Dunleavy tweet in response to Schefter
RE: Some cold water on a trade down with Bills  
yankeeslover : 3/12/2018 5:55 pm : link
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Bills are now 12. Probably want to get into top 11 to get get one of top 4 QBs. I think 12 is too far for #Giants to trade down
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter


Good, and it should be. No way should we move all the way to 12. Not when we have chance to grab once in lifetime player.
This is going to be unfair to say but fuck it  
est1986 : 3/12/2018 5:59 pm : link
If Dave G fails in free agency, I won't be confident at all in what he is going to do in the draft with the 2nd pick. In other words, he better get his guy Norwell or it may end up the first of many mistakes this fucking guy makes. Get it done Gettlemen.
Dropping from  
mattyblue : 3/12/2018 6:05 pm : link
2 to 12 would be a terrible decision.
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njm : 3/12/2018 6:09 pm : link
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2 to 12 would be a terrible decision.


Nelson will not be there at #12. No QB, no Barkley, no Nelson, no good.
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