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RE: Id think  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13861917 hitdog42 said:
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We see interest in soldier but its going to get pricey fast.
I also like the the kid Fulton from kc- solid player on the line

I like Fulton too but yesterday it was reported that the Texans were interested in him and we willing to pay him 7 million per season which is way too much. I hope they can come away with Hubbard, John Sullivan, and perhaps Jack Mewhort on a contract with an option after year one.
RE: Id think  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13861917 hitdog42 said:
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We see interest in soldier but its going to get pricey fast.
I also like the the kid Fulton from kc- solid player on the line


Hey Hitdog, what are you hearing? Anything materialize with L. Webb? Any hints on OL NYG may be going after?
Ownerships  
jtgiants : 3/13/2018 12:22 pm : link
Intention is not to rebuild. Lets see how free agency and the draft play out before making any declarations
Ownership is the most clueless I've seen since before George Young  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 12:24 pm : link
got here.
Cowboys look to be losing a key part of their Defense  
montanagiant : 3/13/2018 12:28 pm : link
Rapoport claims Chiefs are signing LB Hitchens to a 9M @yr deal
RE: Ownerships  
Essex : 3/13/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13861950 jtgiants said:
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Intention is not to rebuild. Lets see how free agency and the draft play out before making any declarations

If ownership's intention is not to rebuild, than I don't need to see how FA and the draft play out, I know my answer--this will be a colossal failure. We have had losing season 4 of the last 5 years and were 3-13 last year. This has not been a successful franchise and we are not 2-4 players away from competing. We have no depth, we have no OL, we had the 31st ranked defense last year, we lack really a safety and a CB, and we have a QB who is 37. If ownership this is something that can be fixed by FA and the draft we are in a whole heep of trouble.
Giant JAGs seem to be doing pretty well  
njm : 3/13/2018 12:34 pm : link
I wonder whether it's an inflated market or whether the coaching, play calling and injuries has caused BBI to underrate them.
Although some folks refuse to accept it  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2018 12:38 pm : link
20 million isn't enough cap space to compete with some teams for the top name Free Agents. Too many holes to fill to throw big money at a couple of positions. When Kennard is getting 6 mil per, you know things are pricey.
RE: Ownership is the most clueless I've seen since before George Young  
nygiants16 : 3/13/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13861957 Victor in CT said:
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got here.


Clueless owners don't win 2 super bowls in 4 years
RE: Although some folks refuse to accept it  
nygiants16 : 3/13/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13861995 ZogZerg said:
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20 million isn't enough cap space to compete with some teams for the top name Free Agents. Too many holes to fill to throw big money at a couple of positions. When Kennard is getting 6 mil per, you know things are pricey.


6 million per doesn't mean 6 million against the cap
This Cousins contract is insane  
Go Terps : 3/13/2018 12:42 pm : link
Minnesota just got farther away from the Super Bowl.
RE: This Cousins contract is insane  
nygiants16 : 3/13/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13862009 Go Terps said:
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Minnesota just got farther away from the Super Bowl.


How did they get farther? They upgraded at quarterback and everyone is coming back from last year
It's hard for me to swallow -  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/13/2018 12:45 pm : link
Drew Brees gets $25/million/year and with $20 million guaranteed over two years and freekin Kirk Cousins gets $28 million fully guaranteed for three years

it boggles the mind
RE: It's hard for me to swallow -  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13862015 gidiefor said:
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Drew Brees gets $25/million/year and with $20 million guaranteed over two years and freekin Kirk Cousins gets $28 million fully guaranteed for three years

it boggles the mind


proof that timing is everything huh?
RE: RE: This Cousins contract is insane  
Go Terps : 3/13/2018 12:51 pm : link
In comment 13862013 nygiants16 said:
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Minnesota just got farther away from the Super Bowl.



How did they get farther? They upgraded at quarterback and everyone is coming back from last year


"Everyone is coming back from last year" is not how the NFL works.

Cousins is a JAG, and the Vikings just went from a position of power at QB (Bradford, Bridgewater, Keenum for $22M combined and no commitment beyond 2017) to putting all their eggs in the basket of a guy that couldn't beat the Giants (with nothing to play for) at home to make the playoffs in 2016.

You aren't winning shit with Cousins as your quarterback, and you certainly aren't winning anything with him for $84 million in guaranteed money.
They've opened up Pandora's box with Cousins' signing  
buddyryansux10 : 3/13/2018 12:52 pm : link
fully guaranteed contracts will now be the norm.
RE: It's hard for me to swallow -  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/13/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13862015 gidiefor said:
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Drew Brees gets $25/million/year and with $20 million guaranteed over two years and freekin Kirk Cousins gets $28 million fully guaranteed for three years

it boggles the mind


well one is 29 the other is 39
RE: They've opened up Pandora's box with Cousins' signing  
Beer Man : 3/13/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13862045 buddyryansux10 said:
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fully guaranteed contracts will now be the norm.
It might be because of the length of the contract. Three years is short term compared to a number of other QBs.
Some oline guys I'd look at:  
AdamBrag : 3/13/2018 1:02 pm : link
Josh Kline, G - This is the guy I really want. I think he's a better scheme fit in a ZBS and he's a great pass protector.
Cameron Flemming, OT - Hasn't played a ton for the Pats, but he's been very solid when he's played.
Sentrel Henderson, OT - Dealing with some health issues, but he could be a legitimate starter in this league.
John Sullivan, C - Has experience in Shurmur's scheme
Joe Berger, C - Same story
RE: Kennard  
Beer Man : 3/13/2018 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13861795 Mr. Nickels said:
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to the lions.

We are losing everything.
With the new DC and D, he might not have seen the field all that much anyway; particularly if the team switches to 3-4
RE: RE: It's hard for me to swallow -  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13862067 Joey from GlenCove said:
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Drew Brees gets $25/million/year and with $20 million guaranteed over two years and freekin Kirk Cousins gets $28 million fully guaranteed for three years

it boggles the mind



well one is 29 the other is 39


Shouldn't matter how old they are. I think the point is just that its crazy to think that an average QB like Kirk Cousins can make more per season than a hall of fame QB like Drew Brees who can still play better than him.
Might be a good time  
Beer Man : 3/13/2018 1:05 pm : link
to use the available Cap to lock up the teams two best players, Collins and OBJ.
RE: RE: They've opened up Pandora's box with Cousins' signing  
buddyryansux10 : 3/13/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13862068 Beer Man said:
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fully guaranteed contracts will now be the norm.

It might be because of the length of the contract. Three years is short term compared to a number of other QBs.


Perhaps, but the precedent has now been set, especially for quarterbacks.
RE: RE: RE: It's hard for me to swallow -  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/13/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13862099 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13862015 gidiefor said:


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Drew Brees gets $25/million/year and with $20 million guaranteed over two years and freekin Kirk Cousins gets $28 million fully guaranteed for three years

it boggles the mind



well one is 29 the other is 39



Shouldn't matter how old they are. I think the point is just that its crazy to think that an average QB like Kirk Cousins can make more per season than a hall of fame QB like Drew Brees who can still play better than him.


Im not sure thats true, plus if all goes well kirk can be their qb for 8+ years
Paul Richardson to the skins  
adamg : 3/13/2018 1:12 pm : link
Another BBI favorite bites the dust...
RE: RE: RE: This Cousins contract is insane  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13862043 Go Terps said:
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Minnesota just got farther away from the Super Bowl.



How did they get farther? They upgraded at quarterback and everyone is coming back from last year



"Everyone is coming back from last year" is not how the NFL works.

Cousins is a JAG, and the Vikings just went from a position of power at QB (Bradford, Bridgewater, Keenum for $22M combined and no commitment beyond 2017) to putting all their eggs in the basket of a guy that couldn't beat the Giants (with nothing to play for) at home to make the playoffs in 2016.

You aren't winning shit with Cousins as your quarterback, and you certainly aren't winning anything with him for $84 million in guaranteed money.


Completely agree. Shouldn't we know after going 11-5 to 3-13 with essentially the same roster that returning everyone doesn't mean a whole lot? The breaks the Vikings got could completely disappear, injuries can and will set in, their coaching staff turnover, etc. Its hard to stay good in this league.

I'm betting on them regressing and being more beatable this year, while tying up a big sum of money in a QB who's already reached his ceiling.
RE: RE: Ownership is the most clueless I've seen since before George Young  
GuzzaBlue : 3/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13862001 nygiants16 said:
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got here.



Clueless owners don't win 2 super bowls in 4 years


What have the Giants done or not done this offseason yet? I think they are playing it perfectly. Don't overspend. We are in a partial rebuild, no reason to overpay to fill a hole when you have so many to fill. I'd rather spend on the cheap and get bargains and then build through the draft. The draft was incredibly bad the past 5 years. You cannot expect DG to just come in and clean it all up in a matter of months. They have absolutely no depth and not a lot of young talent with limited FA money.
Rock and a hard place  
JonC : 3/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
Intent may not be to hit the reset button on a full rebuild, and with current roster composition they might have no choice but to plug holes, hit the draft, and play the 2018 season.

Full reset, rebuild from scratch isn't happening now.

But, to expect to plug holes and make a run behind Eli does not compute any longer, that's sentimentality given the Eli I've watched the past three seasons along with the current roster with some upgrades.
Schrager says Cowboys are looking at WRs  
adamg : 3/13/2018 1:17 pm : link
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An interesting note on the Sammy Watkins/Chiefs deal is that the Cowboys were reportedly interested and in the hunt for Watkins, too. What's that mean for their WR corps? And their WR1?
RE: Paul Richardson to the skins  
Amtoft : 3/13/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13862129 adamg said:
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Another BBI favorite bites the dust...


5 year 40 mil for Richardson? Why that is an over pay
contracts are insane  
Rocky369 : 3/13/2018 1:22 pm : link
30 catches, 400 yards a year excluding his missed season.
There's a great Bill Belichick quote  
Go Terps : 3/13/2018 1:23 pm : link
"The less versatile you are, the better you have to be at what you do well."

The Vikings are an excellent illustration of this. Last year they were extremely versatile in that they had three options at quarterback. Bradford started the year and played well but got hurt. Keenum took over knowing that Bridgewater was there to take his job should he falter. They were versatile and because all of their contracts expired after the season were uncommitted to any of them. It worked out well and even allowed them to recover from a QB injury...something that is often fatal to a team's season.

Now they have no versatility at quarterback. They are tied to Cousins for three years. The Vikings HAVE to be good with Cousins; there is no plan B.

They were a better team at the start of 2017 than they are today.
RE: RE: Paul Richardson to the skins  
allstarjim : 3/13/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13862149 Amtoft said:
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Another BBI favorite bites the dust...



5 year 40 mil for Richardson? Why that is an over pay


It's a lot, but there is real talent there. They are paying him for expected performance, not past performance. He's a legit deep threat for them. I wouldn't have written that check, though.
RE: RE: RE: Ownership is the most clueless I've seen since before George Young  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13862145 GuzzaBlue said:
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got here.



Clueless owners don't win 2 super bowls in 4 years



What have the Giants done or not done this offseason yet? I think they are playing it perfectly. Don't overspend. We are in a partial rebuild, no reason to overpay to fill a hole when you have so many to fill. I'd rather spend on the cheap and get bargains and then build through the draft. The draft was incredibly bad the past 5 years. You cannot expect DG to just come in and clean it all up in a matter of months. They have absolutely no depth and not a lot of young talent with limited FA money.


I'm not criticizing DG. I like him and as I said earlier I hope he has a lot of George Young in him because rigth now that's what they need: someone who will tell Mara/Tisch to butt out unless it concerns $$ for contracts. I'm criticizing the poor, indecisive, patchwork, half assed measures from ownership the lead to this mess. 1st the DefCo, then the Off Co, then the Head COach but not the staff, then finally Reese and Mcadoo and most of the staff after 8 shit drafts in a row, 1 playoff blowout loss in 6 years.
Can the Vikes afford anything more than a Rookie/Young QB  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2018 1:28 pm : link
for a backup?
What if Cousins has a carreer ending injury week 1 2018? The vikes are screwed for 3 years.
RE: RE: RE: Paul Richardson to the skins  
GuzzaBlue : 3/13/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13862175 allstarjim said:
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Another BBI favorite bites the dust...



5 year 40 mil for Richardson? Why that is an over pay



It's a lot, but there is real talent there. They are paying him for expected performance, not past performance. He's a legit deep threat for them. I wouldn't have written that check, though.


That is insane amount of dollars for an unproven WR. He does have talent, but man $8M per year. Have to think there is better value to be had.
RE: There's a great Bill Belichick quote  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13862164 Go Terps said:
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"The less versatile you are, the better you have to be at what you do well."

The Vikings are an excellent illustration of this. Last year they were extremely versatile in that they had three options at quarterback. Bradford started the year and played well but got hurt. Keenum took over knowing that Bridgewater was there to take his job should he falter. They were versatile and because all of their contracts expired after the season were uncommitted to any of them. It worked out well and even allowed them to recover from a QB injury...something that is often fatal to a team's season.

Now they have no versatility at quarterback. They are tied to Cousins for three years. The Vikings HAVE to be good with Cousins; there is no plan B.

They were a better team at the start of 2017 than they are today.


And Cousins has to be ALOT better than he is. They are going to regret this contract. It will soon be exhibit A in the "Why You Shouldn't Pay Premium $$ to Very Average Players" museum. This is Ryan Fitzpatrick II. Case Keenum will be Ryan Fitzpatrick III.
Who  
Mr. Nickels : 3/13/2018 1:30 pm : link
is our target now? Do we even have one?
RE: Who  
Amtoft : 3/13/2018 1:34 pm : link
In comment 13862196 Mr. Nickels said:
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is our target now? Do we even have one?


Nope no targets... we won't sign anyone this year. Oh wait you can't even sign people yet.
RE: Who  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13862196 Mr. Nickels said:
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is our target now? Do we even have one?

No the FO are sitting around twiddling their thumbs. JFC FA hasn't even officially begun yet and people are throwing fits because they lost out on Norwell. Maybe you should wait a couple of days before you panic.
RE: Who  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/13/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13862196 Mr. Nickels said:
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is our target now? Do we even have one?


I heard it's Luke Atmadiq, waiting confirmation...
RE: RE: Who  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13862216 BigBlue4You09 said:
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is our target now? Do we even have one?



I heard it's Luke Atmadiq, waiting confirmation...

Great player, he's a little stiff but he likes to hit the hole hard.
Ralph I think  
RicFlair : 3/13/2018 1:49 pm : link
Tweeted Giants interested in Dion Lewis.
RE: RE: Who  
Amtoft : 3/13/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13862216 BigBlue4You09 said:
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is our target now? Do we even have one?



I heard it's Luke Atmadiq, waiting confirmation...


I hope not... Way undersized!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Paul Richardson to the skins  
Emil : 3/13/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13862193 GuzzaBlue said:
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Another BBI favorite bites the dust...



5 year 40 mil for Richardson? Why that is an over pay



It's a lot, but there is real talent there. They are paying him for expected performance, not past performance. He's a legit deep threat for them. I wouldn't have written that check, though.



That is insane amount of dollars for an unproven WR. He does have talent, but man $8M per year. Have to think there is better value to be had.


It's a lot of money, but Richardson is a good fit for their offense. Also, it's a lot less money than Watkins got, a player who hasn't proved anything in this league. I'd rather have Richardson.
RE: Might be a good time  
Emil : 3/13/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13862102 Beer Man said:
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to use the available Cap to lock up the teams two best players, Collins and OBJ.


Have to say, I agree. OBJ's contract would have a lot of conduct clauses if it were me.
...  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2018 2:09 pm : link
any OL avail via trade???

IMO gotta make a move for solder here....then go OG in round 2, bring back fluker and go with

Solder-Wynn/Hernandez-Jones-Fluker-Flowers

Wheeler/Jerry/halap for depth
....  
BleedBlue : 3/13/2018 2:10 pm : link

Solder
Bradham
Trumaine Johnson


three guys who i like, be nice to land two of em
He may not have the same upside  
Mike in NY : 3/13/2018 2:17 pm : link
But Austin Howard graded out decently last year at RT for the Ravens and with the Ravens declining his option it is possible he may not be in the comp pick formula
Look at the bright side of FA so far ...  
Beer Man : 3/13/2018 2:33 pm : link
it hasn't been all bad news for the Giants, the team did re-signed linebacker Mark Herzlich and guard Jon Halapio.
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