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Should we trade OBJ for a high draft pick?

Frankie in Flushing : 3/12/2018 2:28 pm
What do you guys think?
Absolute  
Keith : 3/12/2018 2:29 pm : link
ly.
What do you think?  
JonC : 3/12/2018 2:30 pm : link
Does it pass the sniff test?
Oh FFS  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/12/2018 2:31 pm : link
Here we go again
Yes  
GiantGolfer : 3/12/2018 2:31 pm : link
Let's trade him for the best pot smoker from a major school.

See what I did there? Huh?
The 2nd overall and OBj  
santacruzom : 3/12/2018 2:32 pm : link
For the Browns' #1 and #4. Who says no?!!!??!!
Lunacy  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/12/2018 2:32 pm : link
seems to be trickling down.
Just no.  
RAIN : 3/12/2018 2:33 pm : link
no.
Do we even really need to hold out for a high draft pick?  
Mad Mike : 3/12/2018 2:34 pm : link
If the market dries up, it's still probably worth it to get a 4th or even a 5th for him.
No  
Tom in DC : 3/12/2018 2:34 pm : link
Heck no
no  
UConn4523 : 3/12/2018 2:35 pm : link
.
.  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2018 2:35 pm : link
I'm just glad you started this thread.

No one has brought this idea up yet, so it's good to have it come to the forefront here!
Trade OBJ?  
Ryan in Albany : 3/12/2018 2:35 pm : link
Are you high?
Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
Keith : 3/12/2018 2:37 pm : link
We will start with the Cons:

He's a distraction
He tried to pee on the field
Everyone hates him
He's constantly tweeting and IG'ing
He drops too many passes
He's not a big time player(see the only game he's ever played in that matters)
He's married to an object
He's overrated


Pros:

I can't think of any



Conclusion: Addition by subtraction, just get rid of him.
Only if we get the Saints first round pick  
RobCarpenter : 3/12/2018 2:38 pm : link
that they still owe us for Shockey.
RE: Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13860116 Keith said:
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We will start with the Cons:

He's a distraction
He tried to pee on the field
Everyone hates him
He's constantly tweeting and IG'ing
He drops too many passes
He's not a big time player(see the only game he's ever played in that matters)
He's married to an object
He's overrated


Pros:

I can't think of any



Conclusion: Addition by subtraction, just get rid of him.


Here's a con that's a pro. Without a threat at WR, Eli and the Giants will end up in the top 5 of the 2019 NFL draft.

Cleveland already got their WR  
njm : 3/12/2018 2:39 pm : link
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I say no.  
Carl in CT : 3/12/2018 2:40 pm : link
Maybe the 1st and 4th might get it done.
RE: Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2018 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13860116 Keith said:
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We will start with the Cons:

He's a distraction
He tried to pee on the field
Everyone hates him
He's constantly tweeting and IG'ing
He drops too many passes
He's not a big time player(see the only game he's ever played in that matters)
He's married to an object
He's overrated


Pros:

I can't think of any



Conclusion: Addition by subtraction, just get rid of him.


Gotta add major coke problem to the cons list.
Yeah - trade him  
mrvax : 3/12/2018 2:41 pm : link
then you have to go out and find a #1 receiver.
RE: Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
McNally's_Nuts : 3/12/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13860116 Keith said:
Quote:
We will start with the Cons:

He's a distraction
He tried to pee on the field
Everyone hates him
He's constantly tweeting and IG'ing
He drops too many passes
He's not a big time player(see the only game he's ever played in that matters)
He's married to an object
He's overrated


Pros:

I can't think of any



Conclusion: Addition by subtraction, just get rid of him.


The hot take could fry many eggs!
RE: Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
Bramton1 : 3/12/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13860116 Keith said:
Quote:
We will start with the Cons:

He's a distraction
He tried to pee on the field
Everyone hates him
He's constantly tweeting and IG'ing
He drops too many passes
He's not a big time player(see the only game he's ever played in that matters)
He's married to an object
He's overrated


Pros:

I can't think of any



Conclusion: Addition by subtraction, just get rid of him.



I must have missed the part where every hates him.
Yes, dump him because we typically score tons of points  
Jimmy Googs : 3/12/2018 2:43 pm : link
when he isn't the field...
RE: Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/12/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13860116 Keith said:
Quote:
We will start with the Cons:

He's a distraction
He tried to pee on the field
Everyone hates him
He's constantly tweeting and IG'ing
He drops too many passes
He's not a big time player(see the only game he's ever played in that matters)
He's married to an object
He's overrated


Pros:

I can't think of any



Conclusion: Addition by subtraction, just get rid of him.


why does the dog piss celebration annoy you?
RE: RE: Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13860130 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13860116 Keith said:


Quote:


We will start with the Cons:

He's a distraction
He tried to pee on the field
Everyone hates him
He's constantly tweeting and IG'ing
He drops too many passes
He's not a big time player(see the only game he's ever played in that matters)
He's married to an object
He's overrated


Pros:

I can't think of any



Conclusion: Addition by subtraction, just get rid of him.



Gotta add major coke problem to the cons list.


Ummm....  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/12/2018 2:44 pm : link
when was the last stretch of games Eli Manning looked like an even remotely good QB without Odell Beckham as his top target... 2012? The day they get rid of Odell, they might as well send Eli packing too.
Yes - lets trade a great player  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/12/2018 2:45 pm : link
for someone who in all statistical likelihood will never be close to OBJ as a player.
Doesn't make much  
McNally's_Nuts : 3/12/2018 2:50 pm : link
sense to fill one hole and have an even larger hole open.

But hey, Keith says so!
Depends on compensation  
lax counsel : 3/12/2018 2:54 pm : link
If they can get a 1st rounder for him in this draft, I'd say go for it. That would necessitate replacing the top receiving threat. However, I think this could all be part of a good rebuild for the Giants. Let's not forget, good free agent wide receives are available nearly every off season. And, it's hard to remember the last time a team won a championship with a receiver like Odell. It's much the same argument as not needing a top rb- it helps to have one but you need not have the best in the game to win.
Can't tell if people are serious  
Pascal4554 : 3/12/2018 2:57 pm : link
I'll admit I was disgusted when the latest video surfaced, mostly because he is being a poor role model for kids, and the thought of trading him briefly crossed my mind along with anger at him being so stupid. He has to have lost a lot of endorsements with his behavior and damage to his image.

BUT...Lets not get crazy and trade the best player on our team... You give him a very long leash. Let's see if Shurmur/Gettleman have an impact on him this year. Or he could just get healthy, play at a high level, and I don't care what he does on social media.




RE: Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
DelZotto : 3/12/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13860116 Keith said:
Quote:
We will start with the Cons:

He's a distraction
He tried to pee on the field
Everyone hates him
He's constantly tweeting and IG'ing
He drops too many passes
He's not a big time player(see the only game he's ever played in that matters)
He's married to an object
He's overrated


Pros:

I can't think of any



Conclusion: Addition by subtraction, just get rid of him.


Agreed this guy is going to blow up, it's so apparent he's got problems.
Dude plays in NY and orders Pizza Hut...  
figgy2989 : 3/12/2018 2:58 pm : link
Definitely must go
OBJ  
Hilary : 3/12/2018 2:59 pm : link
Probably not the only player in the league who smokes pot and sleeps with beautiful women.

Without question the best receiver in my lifetime which stretches back to the Kyle Rote and Del Shofner era.

Real issue is contract demands.If he will not sign a reasonable contract I would try to trade him or do what the Dolphins did with Landry- let him play out his contract and then tag him and trade him.
Better question...  
Frankie in Flushing : 3/12/2018 2:59 pm : link
When does it get to the point where "Enough is Enough" as Donna Summer and Barbra Streisand once sang? When should the Giants make a move and trade him?
You..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2018 3:01 pm : link
forgot the biggest con of all.

Shitty taste in pizza.

Ship his ass out tomorrow for a deep dish from Chicago....
Keith  
ryanmkeane : 3/12/2018 3:02 pm : link
you can't think of any pros for Beckham? Like maybe before the injury he was on pace to be one of the best WRs to ever play football? That might be a pro.
Maybe ...  
Jerry K : 3/12/2018 3:03 pm : link
for Cleveland's 1 and 4.
"Should we trade OBJ?"  
EricJ : 3/12/2018 3:03 pm : link
It really is a stupid question because it cannot be answered without identifying what we would get. THAT is the only determining factor... the ONLY one.

Even those who think the idea of trading him is stupid would agree to make the trade if the browns offered both #1 picks this year plus their first pick in the next two drafts.

So, there IS a price at some point for everyone.
FINALLY!! A "should we trade OBJ thread"!!  
Victor in CT : 3/12/2018 3:03 pm : link
I was hoping somebody would finally post one. Thanks Frankie!
.  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2018 3:04 pm : link
Personally, "enough is enough" came for me when I saw that he may be gay.

I find that to be appalling and a major distraction for an NFL team.
I can't tell if the OP is actually serious  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/12/2018 3:04 pm : link
Since he raised the topic on the FA thread and then took the feedback literally:
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RE: OBJ
Ten Ton Hammer : 2:27 pm : link : reply
In comment 13860076 Frankie in Flushing said:
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I know it hasn't been talked about, but after this last video, anyone think we should trade OBJ?


This should be it's own thread.

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odell  
jurban : 3/12/2018 3:05 pm : link
in a heartbeat....going into his 5th yr. this guy will never grow up...will just keep being the headlines for all the wrong reasons....how can u invest in a time bomb like this?.....ibeen a giant fan since 1957..never anything like this except shockey......and they finally dumped him...
What???  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2018 3:07 pm : link
may be gay?? The resident insider has all but said he's gay!

Quote:
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arcarsenal : 3:04 pm : link : reply
Personally, "enough is enough" came for me when I saw that he may be gay.


Looking at things through the lens of information is a powerful drug. More powerful than Coke!!
Obviously depends...  
JoeMoney19 : 3/12/2018 3:08 pm : link
How high of pick are you talking about? How high will OBJ be at the time of the trade? Are there any horse socks? You've left out a lot of key considerations.
RE: What???  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13860199 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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may be gay?? The resident insider has all but said he's gay!



Quote:


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arcarsenal : 3:04 pm : link : reply
Personally, "enough is enough" came for me when I saw that he may be gay.



Looking at things through the lens of information is a powerful drug. More powerful than Coke!!


It's very frustrating to be the only one here who understands how the NFL works in a sea of peasants!!!
RE: Better question...  
Pascal4554 : 3/12/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13860175 Frankie in Flushing said:
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When does it get to the point where "Enough is Enough" as Donna Summer and Barbra Streisand once sang? When should the Giants make a move and trade him?


He would have to be completely unreasonable in contract negotiations for a year or more, a complete cancer to the locker room, poor play, serious injury, commit a violent felony, he has a long way to go in my opinion.

So far I've seen his antics more as poor judgement and a public relations mess, then signs of a serious problem, the dude is emotional, competitive, and wants to win. You don't draft talent like him very often.
Wait...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2018 3:17 pm : link
so we aren't getting punked by this Frankie in Flushing?? He's being serious.

I really can't tell and the last post about Donna Summer and Babs is just confounding me to no end.
Thelimerickguy hates him,  
Keith : 3/12/2018 3:17 pm : link
do we need another reason. Clearly that guy is clued in to the goings on in the NFL, specifically the night clublife if you know what i mean.
...  
EddieNYG : 3/12/2018 3:17 pm : link
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Bucky Brooks @BuckyBrooks 46 minutes ago

Based on recent developments, would it make sense for the @jaguars to offer up a 1st and 3rd to the @giants for @OBJ_3 ?

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RE: Better question...  
JoeMoney19 : 3/12/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13860175 Frankie in Flushing said:
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When does it get to the point where "Enough is Enough" as Donna Summer and Barbra Streisand once sang? When should the Giants make a move and trade him?

If we start spotting Brad Wing in the luxury box wearing his jersey.
No  
Rflairr : 3/12/2018 3:26 pm : link
.
Trade him  
Glover : 3/12/2018 3:29 pm : link
And watch him don his gold jacket for another team.
GM's spend their whole careers  
pjcas18 : 3/12/2018 3:31 pm : link
hoping to draft someone with the talent that Beckham has, and you want to trade him to get more picks to try and draft someone who has his talent (or find some other way to replace him).

Think about that.

You don't trade Odell Beckham until and unless you have to. He's a generational talent.
RE: Trade him  
Frankie in Flushing : 3/12/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13860235 Glover said:
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And watch him don his gold jacket for another team.


T.O. will be donning one soon as well (0 rings).
It’s amazing how fans are distracted  
djm : 3/12/2018 3:33 pm : link
By what they ironically label as a distraction. Obj’s antics are a nuisance to the Giants. The ones truly distracted are the fans.

OBJ trade  
Giantslifer : 3/12/2018 3:35 pm : link
It might be better to trade him now, since it is unlikely that he will get his desired contract. In all likelihood he will pout and be" injured" until he gets his deal. NFL is probably looking into video, Suspension ?

Maybe shuffle him off to Buffalo in trade for one of their 1st round picks.
Maybe not  
djm : 3/12/2018 3:36 pm : link
..
Sure!  
NDMedics : 3/12/2018 3:37 pm : link
RE: RE: Trade him  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13860239 Frankie in Flushing said:
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In comment 13860235 Glover said:


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And watch him don his gold jacket for another team.



T.O. will be donning one soon as well (0 rings).


Great argument...

BTW, he came back early from a broken leg, was a huge reason PHI was in a position to make a SB run to begin with and was fantastic in the Super Bowl. 9 catches for 122 yards at less than 100%.

If factors beyond his control had been different, he'd have a Super Bowl ring.

Just like Randy Moss would have if not for a miraculous helmet catch or no PI call against Crabtree in the endzone when SF lost to BAL in 2013.

BTW, Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey - both guys whom detractors said would never win anything - both have rings and both made the game winning TD reception in those games.

So spare me this stupid fucking argument that elite WR's or "distractions" never win anything. It's garbage.
RE: Lets look at the pros and cons of OBJ:  
Section331 : 3/12/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13860116 Keith said:
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Pros:

I can't think of any


I guess being one of the most dynamic threats in the league doesn't qualify as a pro?

Look, I think that allowing himself to be recorded in bed with a woman doing coke is a completely braindead move, and I agree that the Giants will be looking at this closely to see if they can penalize Odell in some way, but the reason this story has gotten so much traction is because he is one of the most exciting players out there. You look foolish when you don't at least acknowledge that.
The video snippet  
RetroJint : 3/12/2018 3:37 pm : link
does wonders for his image throughout the league. Norman and the rest of the Bogart corners were calling him “faggot” to get in his cage. Seriously what the hell would the Giants do trading him? He’s never going to be a paragon of emotional stability like Jerry Rice. He’s a screwball . But he’s their last great player. Do you realize that ?
RE: OBJ trade  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/12/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13860244 Giantslifer said:
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It might be better to trade him now, since it is unlikely that he will get his desired contract. In all likelihood he will pout and be" injured" until he gets his deal. NFL is probably looking into video, Suspension ?

Maybe shuffle him off to Buffalo in trade for one of their 1st round picks.


Why would Buffalo give up a 1st Rounder for an injured cry baby that wants a new contract?
How did..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2018 3:47 pm : link
so many people miss that Keith was being sarcastic??
RE: RE: RE: Trade him  
Frankie in Flushing : 3/12/2018 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13860251 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13860239 Frankie in Flushing said:


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In comment 13860235 Glover said:


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And watch him don his gold jacket for another team.



T.O. will be donning one soon as well (0 rings).



Great argument...

BTW, he came back early from a broken leg, was a huge reason PHI was in a position to make a SB run to begin with and was fantastic in the Super Bowl. 9 catches for 122 yards at less than 100%.

If factors beyond his control had been different, he'd have a Super Bowl ring.

Just like Randy Moss would have if not for a miraculous helmet catch or no PI call against Crabtree in the endzone when SF lost to BAL in 2013.

BTW, Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey - both guys whom detractors said would never win anything - both have rings and both made the game winning TD reception in those games.

So spare me this stupid fucking argument that elite WR's or "distractions" never win anything. It's garbage.


Do you ignore the situps in the driveway and the fact that he RUINED Philly for about three years single-handedly? Yeah, GREAT argument!
RE: RE: RE: Trade him  
giantsfan44ab : 3/12/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13860251 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13860239 Frankie in Flushing said:


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In comment 13860235 Glover said:


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And watch him don his gold jacket for another team.



T.O. will be donning one soon as well (0 rings).



Great argument...

BTW, he came back early from a broken leg, was a huge reason PHI was in a position to make a SB run to begin with and was fantastic in the Super Bowl. 9 catches for 122 yards at less than 100%.

If factors beyond his control had been different, he'd have a Super Bowl ring.

Just like Randy Moss would have if not for a miraculous helmet catch or no PI call against Crabtree in the endzone when SF lost to BAL in 2013.

BTW, Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey - both guys whom detractors said would never win anything - both have rings and both made the game winning TD reception in those games.

So spare me this stupid fucking argument that elite WR's or "distractions" never win anything. It's garbage.


It's dumb using rings as an argument in player comparisons outside the QB position (even that his it's own issues, but I get it).

I do think its notable how teams have been able to build contending rosters without having that true elite, top 5-10 #1 WR. The Giants might not be the team to make that argument for, as they lack in virtually every other respect on offense.
Great, great talent - OBJ...  
bw in dc : 3/12/2018 3:50 pm : link
And, to me, an unprecedented talent at the position.

But cap money is better distributed among other position & players than a highly paid super-diva receiver. So, yes, I would trade OBJ to the highest bidder...
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2018 3:57 pm : link
TO ruined Philly?

C'mon you aren't fucking with us here? You're that much of an idiot?
RE: How did..  
Keith : 3/12/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13860269 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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so many people miss that Keith was being sarcastic??


lol, I pulled an arc!
It's actually kind of scary  
Keith : 3/12/2018 3:59 pm : link
that people couldn't tell I was kidding. "He married an object" as a negative, lol. Cmon people.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Trade him  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13860281 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13860251 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13860239 Frankie in Flushing said:


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In comment 13860235 Glover said:


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And watch him don his gold jacket for another team.



T.O. will be donning one soon as well (0 rings).



Great argument...

BTW, he came back early from a broken leg, was a huge reason PHI was in a position to make a SB run to begin with and was fantastic in the Super Bowl. 9 catches for 122 yards at less than 100%.

If factors beyond his control had been different, he'd have a Super Bowl ring.

Just like Randy Moss would have if not for a miraculous helmet catch or no PI call against Crabtree in the endzone when SF lost to BAL in 2013.

BTW, Plaxico Burress and Jeremy Shockey - both guys whom detractors said would never win anything - both have rings and both made the game winning TD reception in those games.

So spare me this stupid fucking argument that elite WR's or "distractions" never win anything. It's garbage.



It's dumb using rings as an argument in player comparisons outside the QB position (even that his it's own issues, but I get it).

I do think its notable how teams have been able to build contending rosters without having that true elite, top 5-10 #1 WR. The Giants might not be the team to make that argument for, as they lack in virtually every other respect on offense.


Eh, even the Eagles signed Jeffery and are paying him good money. Not major, top tier money - but it's not like he's a JAG.

ATL paid Jones and would have beaten NE last year if not for mind bogging play calling down the stretch.

I don't really see what the point of getting rid of Beckham would be. Trade him for picks and then spend at least one of those on a WR who we hope will be nearly as good as he is? (And probably won't be)

All it does is create a new hole.

You don't have to have an elite WR to win a Super Bowl, but it's not like having one pulls you further away.
RE: Huh??  
Frankie in Flushing : 3/12/2018 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13860311 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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TO ruined Philly?

C'mon you aren't fucking with us here? You're that much of an idiot?


Why the name calling? Just trying to see what is best for the Giants.
RE: RE: How did..  
arcarsenal : 3/12/2018 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13860316 Keith said:
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In comment 13860269 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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so many people miss that Keith was being sarcastic??



lol, I pulled an arc!


Well done, lot of fish chomped on that line you threw out there!
RE: GM's spend their whole careers  
Mike from Ohio : 3/12/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13860238 pjcas18 said:
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hoping to draft someone with the talent that Beckham has, and you want to trade him to get more picks to try and draft someone who has his talent (or find some other way to replace him).

Think about that.

You don't trade Odell Beckham until and unless you have to. He's a generational talent.


Yeah, but...he pretended he was a dog and peed on the field, costing us 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff. Back in the day when they were real men and played without helmets, that never happened. When a guy scored a touchdown, he drank a scotch and shot a kraut. We need more guys like that.
RE: RE: RE: Trade him  
bw in dc : 3/12/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13860251 arcarsenal said:
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So spare me this stupid fucking argument that elite WR's or "distractions" never win anything. It's garbage.


I fully subscribe to this theory you call garbage. Sure, you can win with elite/diva receivers. But with the rules being so in favor of receivers versus DBs, it's just easier to find more players who can do that job for cheaper cap dollars; and then use more cap dollars at more critical positions (QB, corner, DE, safety).
RE: How did..  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/12/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13860269 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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so many people miss that Keith was being sarcastic??


Because sadly there are people here who truly view him like that
At one point Beckham was a high draft pick  
ghost718 : 3/12/2018 4:11 pm : link
now he's a stoned seasoned vet.

The grass isn't always greener
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Trade him  
giantsfan44ab : 3/12/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13860320 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13860281 giantsfan44ab said:


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It's dumb using rings as an argument in player comparisons outside the QB position (even that his it's own issues, but I get it).

I do think its notable how teams have been able to build contending rosters without having that true elite, top 5-10 #1 WR. The Giants might not be the team to make that argument for, as they lack in virtually every other respect on offense.



Eh, even the Eagles signed Jeffery and are paying him good money. Not major, top tier money - but it's not like he's a JAG.

ATL paid Jones and would have beaten NE last year if not for mind bogging play calling down the stretch.

I don't really see what the point of getting rid of Beckham would be. Trade him for picks and then spend at least one of those on a WR who we hope will be nearly as good as he is? (And probably won't be)

All it does is create a new hole.

You don't have to have an elite WR to win a Super Bowl, but it's not like having one pulls you further away.


Jeffrey had less than 800 yards, a catch % under 50% and received a 1 year deal because he wanted #1 money and no team saw him as a true #1.

I would agree with your point about how draft picks are just in a sense lottery tickets to land a player like Odell if Odell was still going to be on his rookie deal. It isn't so much a draft picks vs Odell as much as it is draft picks and $15M+ extra in space vs Odell. I can't say I'd prefer to trade Odell right now, but if a Godfather offer came for him I don't think it's "hang up the phone no matter" anymore.

But I agree with your larger point at hand, I was playing Devil's advocate about how it's possible to build a good offense without a top WR.

RE: RE: Huh??  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/12/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13860323 Frankie in Flushing said:
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In comment 13860311 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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TO ruined Philly?

C'mon you aren't fucking with us here? You're that much of an idiot?



Why the name calling? Just trying to see what is best for the Giants.

I'm going to call it - here begins the pivot to full-on troll mode for FiF.
I wouldn't trade him  
joeinpa : 3/12/2018 4:19 pm : link
Because of his antics, too good a player

But I get a kick out of the apologists for him.

he s a great player, but can't you just admit his sense of awareness is suspect and he often comes across as a self-absorbed jerk.

I could care less until it starts to hurt the team. But as of now his production cuts him a lot of slack.
More to it  
Painless62 : 3/12/2018 4:22 pm : link
There is more to being a great football player than physical skill. He also did not come up big at crucial times with bad drops. I have rooted for many great Giant teams without him on it. Would not bother me the least if he is gone and we could concentrate on building a talented team that also has the right mental make up. In football as in every team sport, but more so in football, chemistry matters. He hurts the chemistry.
RE: Better question...  
giantsFC : 3/12/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13860175 Frankie in Flushing said:
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When does it get to the point where "Enough is Enough" as Donna Summer and Barbra Streisand once sang? When should the Giants make a move and trade him?


When his first contract is up and they can't franchise him year to year. Giants should 100% not sign this guy to an extension yet. He is coming of injuries and still has these idiot immature moments. They have essentially 3 years to see how it plays out. If he holds out or doesn't play that's only going to cost him.

If they decide to deal w him now, this new regime is worse than the old one.

NO  
Zepp : 3/12/2018 4:27 pm : link
but I wonder how many "Should we trade" threads would've come up if this were around during LT's era.

OBJ is a special WR. He's an immature prick who has not figured out how to handle success.

Work with him. Put someone on him. Do all you can to make it work.

Reason is you will never get a deal offered that is equivalent to his worth. Now if someone comes along and gives you a Herschel Walker/Ricky Williams type of deal I might think about it.
RE: More to it  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/12/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13860388 Painless62 said:
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There is more to being a great football player than physical skill. He also did not come up big at crucial times with bad drops. I have rooted for many great Giant teams without him on it. Would not bother me the least if he is gone and we could concentrate on building a talented team that also has the right mental make up. In football as in every team sport, but more so in football, chemistry matters. He hurts the chemistry.

How does he hurt the chemistry?
They will dump him  
sshin05 : 3/12/2018 4:48 pm : link
after he stops producing, end of story.
RE: You..  
BMac : 3/12/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13860183 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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forgot the biggest con of all.

Shitty taste in pizza.

Ship his ass out tomorrow for a deep dish from Chicago....


Plus a suddenly rejuvenated Jim McMahon.
No.  
Mike from SI : 3/12/2018 5:03 pm : link
No.
RE: NO  
bw in dc : 3/12/2018 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13860401 Zepp said:
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but I wonder how many "Should we trade" threads would've come up if this were around during LT's era.



Interesting thought. LT was a better, bigger force than OBJ. At the time, he was a game changer. Impacted the game for more than OBJ has. There were really no amount of draft picks that would have been sufficient. You would have had to throw in another great player - like a Ronnie Lott-type.
RE: RE: OBJ trade  
Giantslifer : 3/12/2018 5:41 pm : link
In comment 13860256 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 13860244 Giantslifer said:


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It might be better to trade him now, since it is unlikely that he will get his desired contract. In all likelihood he will pout and be" injured" until he gets his deal. NFL is probably looking into video, Suspension ?

Maybe shuffle him off to Buffalo in trade for one of their 1st round picks.



Why would Buffalo give up a 1st Rounder for an injured cry baby that wants a new contract?

Because they don't have any wide receivers. A year or so in Buffalo would bring him down to Earth
Yes  
wgenesis123 : 3/12/2018 5:51 pm : link
We can finish last with or without him.
Drop him  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/12/2018 6:07 pm : link
I don't care about the off the field crap, but I do not want him as our locker room leader for years to come, he's a flake and got too much Shockey in him.
Depends on the haul ....  
short lease : 3/12/2018 6:29 pm : link
if we can get what the Vikings gave to Dallas for Herschal Walker - then hell yes.

We just have to find a team who are convinced that they are 1 good WR from going deep in the playoffs.
OBJ  
Dragon : 3/12/2018 10:27 pm : link
Should have more value than any draft pick right inside or outside the top ten in this draft. It’s not just about his talent it’s really about are they committed and willing to pay him somewhere above 18 mil per year or more. Every Giants fan loves the abilities the guy brings to the game but did they notice the fiasco the Phins just went thru with Landry.

He is a unbelievable talent however there are concerns we even from what is seen on the field don’t know shit about them all. The foot injury situation puts a little dust on his value otherwise you would start at two first round picks and more. Even now that still might be the starting point no UFA has more value than him and it’s not even close. He is the heartbeat of the Giants and would be so for any team he plays for he’s just that special. In
fact I would trade almost every player presently on this roster to keep him but it’s a money question in the end. This is the front office game being played they said Eli still has game but have yet to say OBJ will be a Giant for sure going forward.

The guy who I would for sure have on the trade block is Collins everything points to him asking for outrageous money very soon. He for all the hype he gets here is just not a worthy investment of large sums of money before FA hits. He is a good safety but he is not a special safety way to many holes in his game to warrant a hugh contract.
It's like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/12/2018 10:32 pm : link
you started with some basic stupidity and then just kept adding layers on it like a richly made soup.

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The guy who I would for sure have on the trade block is Collins everything points to him asking for outrageous money very soon. He for all the hype he gets here is just not a worthy investment of large sums of money before FA hits. He is a good safety but he is not a special safety way to many holes in his game to warrant a hugh contract.


First off you talked about the fiasco the Dolphins went through with Landry, then segued into some ramblings about Beckham's foot?? Then sashayed into that little gem about Collins.

I really don't know how Dorgan hasn't had a heart attack at the way you are his bizarro world alternate.....
Come to think of it  
giantsFC : 3/12/2018 10:39 pm : link
The giants did very well without the divas barber and shockey on the team. But Beckham, to this point, hasn’t shown any on-field selfish ball demanding antics or questioned his qb’s leadership skills. And until that occurs he still has potential to be reigned in.
Holy crap. You're being trolled  
section125 : 3/12/2018 10:51 pm : link
and you don't get it.

Odell is one of the 3 best WRs in the NFL, so let's get rid of him. There isn't a trade any team could make that would be sufficient compensation.
I'm reading these comments...  
Alex In Bklyn : 3/13/2018 7:25 am : link
and it seems most of those who want to trade OBJ are doing so based solely on his behavior. To that logic, most of you would have traded Lawrence Taylor as well.
RE: I'm reading these comments...  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2018 7:31 am : link
In comment 13861049 Alex In Bklyn said:
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and it seems most of those who want to trade OBJ are doing so based solely on his behavior. To that logic, most of you would have traded Lawrence Taylor as well.


I'm not in favor of trading OBJ but this isn't *logic* as you call it - because in this era, Lawrence Taylor would have been suspended so many times by the NFL for being a dumbass that he'd be out of the league.
What is even more ironic..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2018 8:01 am : link
is at least one of the vocal posters who wants to trade Beckham railed against the Giants for "letting" Will Hill go and kept posting about his successes in Baltimore. We haven't heard anything about Will in a couple of years now....

Dog peeing - bad, bad behavior.

Suspended for drug use multiple times - A OK!
RE: What is even more ironic..  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 9:28 am : link
In comment 13861121 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is at least one of the vocal posters who wants to trade Beckham railed against the Giants for "letting" Will Hill go and kept posting about his successes in Baltimore.


its like having J. Edgar Hoover on BBI...
I hope everything works out with OBJ  
santacruzom : 3/13/2018 5:38 pm : link
I hope he stays injury and trouble-free, signs a long term deal, stays elite at his position, and helps us become a good football team.

I just hope that people who are scoffing at those who might wish to trade him or aren't fond of his antics at least entertain the possibility that those people might be proven right.
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