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Stapleton says it’s the Giants, 49ers, and Colts for Norwell

Defenderdawg : 3/12/2018 8:49 pm
Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
3/12/18, 8:40 PM
Hearing All-Pro guard Andrew Norwell is down to three finalists: #49ers, #Colts and #NYGiants, per league source.
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Come on DG  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2018 8:50 pm : link
Get er dun!!!
He will go west  
Joey in VA : 3/12/2018 8:50 pm : link
Book it.
Should be very interesting  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2018 8:51 pm : link
One small market team, one big market team, two teams with established long-term answers at QB who could be playing meaningful games this year.
More Stapleton “All In”  
Defenderdawg : 3/12/2018 8:52 pm : link
Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
3/12/18, 8:49 PM
I'm told #NYGiants still confident they will land Norwell, but they've got to beat out 49ers and Colts.
"All in on Norwell" is how one league source described it when I asked about NYG action today.
Art  
Joey in VA : 3/12/2018 8:53 pm : link
Is really gross looking though. Can he be trusted?
Stapleton has heard no other names than Norwell  
Defenderdawg : 3/12/2018 9:00 pm : link
Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
3/12/18, 8:58 PM
That's just it: I've been asking around all day and have gotten the sense from numerous people that for right now Giants' focus is on Andrew Norwell
$$ being equal  
The_Boss : 3/12/2018 9:00 pm : link
(It’s really not as SF can offer more), why would Norwell choose the NYG? SF is a better team/destination at this stage by all accounts. I’m hoping he signs, but should he not, then concern sets in as the FA OL talent just isn’t there.
Hmmm, interesting trio.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/12/2018 9:01 pm : link
New York area gives you access to New York, but some people hate NY. Other people love playing in NY. High taxes, housing is moderate to expensive. Franchise seems to be rebuilding.

Bay Area is beautiful, great weather, high taxes, housing is super expensive. Franchise seems to be at the end of its rebuild and is on the rise.

Indianapolis, smaller city, less media attention, lower taxes, lower cost of living. Next season, the franchise lives or dies on the tenuous health of Andrew Luck.

Three very different choices.

Idk why  
Breeze_94 : 3/12/2018 9:03 pm : link
but I have a feeling Norwell ends up in SF. In that case, our best option is Pugh or Sitton, maybe Jensen or a combination of 2 of them.
RE: $$ being equal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/12/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 13860752 The_Boss said:
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(It’s really not as SF can offer more), why would Norwell choose the NYG? SF is a better team/destination at this stage by all accounts. I’m hoping he signs, but should he not, then concern sets in as the FA OL talent just isn’t there.


There's gotta be a hell of a sales pitch along with the will to spend money. But teams that aren't winners get players all the time. One can just as well ask why any of the big FA's the giants have signed in the past 5 years have wanted to come here.
If they lose out on Norwell  
Jay on the Island : 3/12/2018 9:08 pm : link
I would like to see the Giants target Chris Hubbard, Jack Mewhort, and John Sullivan.

Mewhort has had injury concerns over the past two years but if he is willing to sign a prove it deal or a contract loaded with playing time incentives then he would be a great addition as he has been very good when healthy.

Hubbard can play both guard and RT so he would be a very valuable piece for the offensive line.

Sullivan played surprisingly well for the Rams last season and he would be the perfect short term option at center which would keep Brett Jones on the bench where he is better suited as a good backup.
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Micko : 3/12/2018 9:12 pm : link
If I'm a FA I go SF. Hope he feels differently.
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mfsd : 3/12/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13860762 Micko said:
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If I'm a FA I go SF. Hope he feels differently.


Amazing how quickly locking down the right QB can turn around the perception of a franchise
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BleedBlue : 3/12/2018 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13860762 Micko said:
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If I'm a FA I go SF. Hope he feels differently.



huh....why? they were relevant like once in last 10 years lol.

the giants have a lot more talent on the roster.
$$ usually is deciding factor  
micky : 3/12/2018 9:20 pm : link
thus, 49'ers has abundance of cap room and can shell out or out bid the other two I believe.

but sometimes it isn't ..let's hope this time it's the case
Sounds like this is going to be expensive  
Jimmy Googs : 3/12/2018 9:26 pm : link
Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.
$ is usually deciding factor - familiarity with mgmt/coaches  
Eric on Li : 3/12/2018 9:26 pm : link
usually helps too. Guess we'll see, all 3 teams' rosters are unsettled at best.
This will be tough  
BigBlue1013 : 3/12/2018 9:26 pm : link
SF- 64 million in cap space
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space

WOW If Gettleman pulls this off
RE: This will be tough  
micky : 3/12/2018 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13860771 BigBlue1013 said:
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SF- 64 million in cap space
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space

WOW If Gettleman pulls this off


thanks, wasn't aware colts had that much space too
RE: Sounds like this is going to be expensive  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/12/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13860769 Jimmy Googs said:
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.


Not sure if serious
RE: RE: This will be tough  
BigBlue1013 : 3/12/2018 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13860773 micky said:
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SF- 64 million in cap space
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space

WOW If Gettleman pulls this off



thanks, wasn't aware colts had that much space too


No Problem

And I know Overthecap have the Giants at 20.5 million but if reports were true about Ogletree's 7million roster bonus becoming a signing bonus then the Giants will get extra 5.8million in cap space
dont sleep on scheme as a deciding factor  
twostepgiants : 3/12/2018 9:36 pm : link
Both Gettleman & Shurmur want to focus on OL

Shurmur as a player was an OL and I once read that his OL like him because he conceives the offense through the eyes of an OL
RE: This will be tough  
GFAN52 : 3/12/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13860771 BigBlue1013 said:
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SF- 64 million in cap space
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space

WOW If Gettleman pulls this off


I'm afraid money will win out on this.
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The_Boss : 3/12/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13860765 BleedBlue said:
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If I'm a FA I go SF. Hope he feels differently.




huh....why? they were relevant like once in last 10 years lol.

the giants have a lot more talent on the roster.


Giants have more talent? You sure about that?
I'm sure  
old man : 3/12/2018 9:38 pm : link
there is a backup plan part 1 ,and 2 if necessary.
DG seems intensely organized, plus I think, after at least 3 solid offseason of ownership near dormancy and just talking the talk, I feel sure JM/ ST are diligently making sure I's are dotted and T's are crossed to get the team to winning and Giants football.
Giants can't afford  
mrvax : 3/12/2018 9:38 pm : link
to outbid these 2 teams.
You really can't afford to go crazy too.
Spending $14 mill  
section125 : 3/12/2018 9:47 pm : link
on a guard is stupid.
Norwell  
TyreeHelmet : 3/12/2018 9:47 pm : link
I want the giants to rebuild the Oline as much as anyone but I’m not losing sleep if they miss out on him. Overpaying a guard is risky. Why aren’t they in on Solder???
Keep in mind  
Sammo85 : 3/12/2018 9:48 pm : link
Both these teams can structure the bonuses and the initial batch of guaranteed money in a way that prevents the Giants from really being able to match.

RE: Keep in mind  
YAJ2112 : 3/12/2018 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13860789 Sammo85 said:
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Both these teams can structure the bonuses and the initial batch of guaranteed money in a way that prevents the Giants from really being able to match.


How far above the Zeitler deal of 5/60 and 18 in year 1 cash do you think teams are going to go?
RE: RE: Sounds like this is going to be expensive  
Jimmy Googs : 3/12/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13860777 BigBlue4You09 said:
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.



Not sure if serious


I haven't written a post any more serious...
Narwahl!  
Ryan : 3/12/2018 10:10 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: Sounds like this is going to be expensive  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/12/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13860801 Jimmy Googs said:
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.



Not sure if serious



I haven't written a post any more serious...


I was afraid of that, sigh
RE: Norwell  
twostepgiants : 3/12/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13860788 TyreeHelmet said:
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I want the giants to rebuild the Oline as much as anyone but I’m not losing sleep if they miss out on him. Overpaying a guard is risky. Why aren’t they in on Solder???


Solder will be 30. Norwell is 26
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Jimmy Googs : 3/12/2018 10:17 pm : link
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.



Not sure if serious



I haven't written a post any more serious...



I was afraid of that, sigh


Bidding wars on Guards make no sense based on where this team resides in the pecking order. Make an attractive offer and say take it or leave it.

You can't possibly believe fixing this team means paying the highest salary in the league to a Guard?

If you do, then you can't be serious...
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BigBlue4You09 : 3/12/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13860821 Jimmy Googs said:
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Why don't we just draft better...its so much cheaper.



Not sure if serious



I haven't written a post any more serious...



I was afraid of that, sigh



Bidding wars on Guards make no sense based on where this team resides in the pecking order. Make an attractive offer and say take it or leave it.

You can't possibly believe fixing this team means paying the highest salary in the league to a Guard?

If you do, then you can't be serious...


Well that I agree with but “just draft better” isn’t the solution, nor is it a sure fire way to fix the mess we are in. Obviously we will probably draft better with a new regime, but we can’t count on every rookie making the same impact an established veteran like Norwel would provide.
Ok either way.  
giantsFC : 3/12/2018 10:26 pm : link
Great if they get him. Great if they don’t, saves overpaying for yet another position in football that is much easier to fill than others.
I don't want a Guard to "make an impact" for $14M when I know  
Jimmy Googs : 3/12/2018 10:26 pm : link
we still have plenty of broken parts, including a dying one at QB.

Spend the money on developing 3 young aggressive guys at 3 different positions versus winning one bidding war on Norwell.

Its a better investment...
RE: This will be tough  
AcidTest : 3/12/2018 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13860771 BigBlue1013 said:
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SF- 64 million in cap space
Ind- 72 million in cap space
NYG- 26 million in cap space

WOW If Gettleman pulls this off


We're in deep third place. Prepare to be disappointed. I also frankly don't want to pay that kind of money of Norwell. It reeks of desperation.
Money aside...  
bw in dc : 3/12/2018 10:37 pm : link
and it’s a factor.

But look at it through this lense - play in NY with a QB on the downside in a division with the defending SB champs, a very solid Dallas team, and a C team in the Skins.

Or...

Go to a team like the 9ers with a bright, young, stud QB under a GM and ownership that has resources and a clear plan. And they have what appears to be one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. Plus, Seattle is in re-build mode, Arizona looks years away, and the jury is out if the Rams are for real or one-hit wonders...

Seems like an easy sell to me...
RE: I don't want a Guard to  
Mike from SI : 3/12/2018 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13860832 Jimmy Googs said:
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we still have plenty of broken parts, including a dying one at QB.

Spend the money on developing 3 young aggressive guys at 3 different positions versus winning one bidding war on Norwell.

Its a better investment...


Yes, let's pay less and "develop" them like we developed Flowers, and Hart, and all the other crappy talents we have.

I don't know what world you live in where GMs are magically able to do bargain deals with players who turn out to be really good after they "develop." If you want premium talent on the FA market you have to pay for it (or get super lucky).
If this is going to be a bidding war  
bigblue12 : 3/12/2018 10:39 pm : link
I would sign Sitton for a fraction of the price
For all that don’t want to spend $  
Carl in CT : 3/12/2018 10:45 pm : link
On a G, remember what our OL looked like. We need players no matter what they cost.
RE: Money aside...  
Strahan91 : 3/12/2018 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13860841 bw in dc said:
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and it’s a factor.

But look at it through this lense - play in NY with a QB on the downside in a division with the defending SB champs, a very solid Dallas team, and a C team in the Skins.

Or...

Go to a team like the 9ers with a bright, young, stud QB under a GM and ownership that has resources and a clear plan. And they have what appears to be one of the brightest offensive minds in the game. Plus, Seattle is in re-build mode, Arizona looks years away, and the jury is out if the Rams are for real or one-hit wonders...

Seems like an easy sell to me...


Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.
RE: RE: Money aside...  
bw in dc : 3/12/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13860851 Strahan91 said:
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Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.


I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?

Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?
Key  
Dragon : 3/12/2018 10:54 pm : link
Everyone of those teams are on the rise with young QB’s even the injured guy. The Giants can’t begin to offer the up front money or more likely length of contract for a guard. Very easily both of those teams can present 15 mil the first year with another 26+ mil in the second and third years. It then becomes a simple fact it’s not about the money but it’s really all about the money. The Giants can’t and should not even think twice about doing something outrageous like that with all the needs this team has.
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BleedBlue : 3/12/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13860854 bw in dc said:
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Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.



I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?

Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?


Wtf have garap or shanahan ever done ? I'll take shurmur who has had a successful offense, Eli who has won super bowls, the Giants who have been relevant, a GM I know is gonna work to make us better, a GM who gave me my shot, a more talented offense(roster wise). Sorry but it isn't close.
RE: Spending $14 mill  
Rflairr : 3/12/2018 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13860787 section125 said:
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on a guard is stupid.


Agree with this. I’d like them to sign Norwell. But you can’t go crazy.
RE: RE: RE: Money aside...  
Strahan91 : 3/12/2018 10:56 pm : link
In comment 13860854 bw in dc said:
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Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.



I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?

Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?


Personally I’m looking at it like Garappolo & Shanahan vs Darnold/Rosen & Shurmur. That’s a difficult choice but I also spend a lot of time in the Bay Area and the whole area is a total mess compared to NY/NJ with higher taxes. Not a place I’d like to live (I have to go for work)
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Eric on Li : 3/12/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13860854 bw in dc said:
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Garappolo only did it for a handful of games. It’s certainly not a given that he’s going to play at a high level for the next 5 years. I’d also argue that Shurmur is as bright an offensive mind if not more so than Shanahan. He made Case freakin Keenum into a dark horse MVP candidate after all. The Giants also have Norwell’s previous offensive coordinator who may have helped him to become an All Pro for all we know.



I hear you. That's fair. But if you had to hitch your wagon right now to a tandem, who would it be?

Garappolo & Shannahan? Or Manning & Shurmur?


What about the GM who signed him, won his division each of Norwell's first 2 years, and took him to the SB? Or John Lynch?
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