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If Norwell does sign with Jax, then absolutely no

Thatís Gold, Jerry : 3/13/2018 8:27 am
question we must, MUST, draft Nelson. I don't think we have any other choice. The years of bad drafting have caught up with us. I don't blame Norwell from going to a team that went to the AFC championship game, has an excellent running back and a team that would seem to be on the path to a SB.

I am sure there are other influences although that shouldn't matter with New York but this is all on the previous regime. The only one we will have left is Flowers and what a sad commentary on the drafts (re: OL) from 2013-2017 that is.

Must?  
JonC : 3/13/2018 8:30 am : link
What if Barkley, Chubb, or QB is the far superior prospect on their board?

Desperation is lame.
Not true  
djstat : 3/13/2018 8:30 am : link
But thanks for playing
Agree with Jerry.  
GiantFilthy : 3/13/2018 8:32 am : link
This season, no, this next decade of success comes down to one of the guard spots. What surrounds that player doesn't really matter. Simple as that.
There will be guards  
Mr Brightside : 3/13/2018 8:33 am : link
and/or tackles available at the top of round 2.
lol  
Default : 3/13/2018 8:33 am : link
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That would be compounding your losses  
UberAlias : 3/13/2018 8:34 am : link
No thanks.


Nelson will likely become a great player. But the #2 pick is a guy you hope will transform your franchise and you don't build your team around a guard.

The 2nd round pick is practically another 1st round. Want to go linemen then, absolutely. But the #2 pick overall can't be a plug a hole selection.
That's right  
Milton : 3/13/2018 8:36 am : link
The Giants were all set to draft their future franchise QB, but now they will have to draft a guard.
yeah, great thread  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2018 8:36 am : link
I'm sure DG agrees with you...
Thereís panic...  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 8:37 am : link
Then thereís Giants fans. Losing out on a Norwell doesnít change the Giants draft board.
If this team passes on Barkley or a Franchise QB  
yankeeslover : 3/13/2018 8:38 am : link
For a Guard, I am skipping the remote throw and throwing the whole TV.
I think we should really...  
bw in dc : 3/13/2018 8:39 am : link
make it interesting and trade up to the #1 slot - and take a G.

And that should seal it - dumbest franchise ever...
I think Emil made a great point in the Norwell thread.  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 8:40 am : link
Why is it stupid to draft a great G at #2 if by all accounts he is indeed one of the top 2 platers in the draft, but intelligent to spend $60 mil on one in FA?

I'm not agreeing with Jerry's premise that the Norwell signing changes the Giants draft board in anyway, but I do think that it is a legitimate question.
" We have to draft a guard"?  
Marty866b : 3/13/2018 8:40 am : link
WOW!!!
It is not just about how good Nelson is...  
Capt. Don : 3/13/2018 8:42 am : link
it is also about how good other guards in round 2 might be. If we can get Hernandez, Wynn or Price in round 2 or Braden in 3, and Barkley in round 1 then no, we do not NEED Nelson with our 1st.
How inept will the franchise look  
Dave in PA : 3/13/2018 8:42 am : link
If in 2 or 3 yeas we are scrambling to trade up for a blue chip QB or getting bent over for a good but not great free agent QB, because they took a guard instead of a QB. Some positions are just more valuable. There are always going to be quality guards available in free agency and every draft. We donít need a fantastic guard at the expense of a potentially once in a generation opportunity to draft a legit QB without paying through the nose. Is Nelson more of a sure thing than any of these rookie QBís? No doubt about it. Is Nelson going to have the impact of a franchise QB if all plays out well?
Or maybe we're rebuilding  
jlukes : 3/13/2018 8:43 am : link
We cut a decently priced corner
We didn't overpay for the top guard in freeze agency
RE: How inept will the franchise look  
Bruner4329 : 3/13/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 13861207 Dave in PA said:
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If in 2 or 3 yeas we are scrambling to trade up for a blue chip QB or getting bent over for a good but not great free agent QB, because they took a guard instead of a QB. Some positions are just more valuable. There are always going to be quality guards available in free agency and every draft. We donít need a fantastic guard at the expense of a potentially once in a generation opportunity to draft a legit QB without paying through the nose. Is Nelson more of a sure thing than any of these rookie QBís? No doubt about it. Is Nelson going to have the impact of a franchise QB if all plays out well?


Works both ways. How inept will we look if we draft a QB that turns out to be a bust or at best a back up in the league. Could set us back more years.
This is insane  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 8:51 am : link
no,we don't NEED to draft a freaking guard at #2 overall. We NEED to draft a QB, the most important position in football, rather than a LG, which you can argue is the least important position on offense.

RE: Must?  
NYG007 : 3/13/2018 8:54 am : link
In comment 13861175 JonC said:
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What if Barkley, Chubb, or QB is the far superior prospect on their board?

Desperation is lame.


Only Barkley is slightly better. Every single draft "expert" and at least 11 teams reportedly have Nelson as the best player in the draft.
RE: I think we should really...  
GoBlue6599 : 3/13/2018 8:55 am : link
In comment 13861202 bw in dc said:
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make it interesting and trade up to the #1 slot - and take a G.

And that should seal it - dumbest franchise ever...

Lmao with the 1st pick the NYG select a franchise Guard.. then we can go FB and Punter
They arenít drafting no damn Guard at 2  
Rflairr : 3/13/2018 8:56 am : link
When there are potential franchise QBs
RE: RE: Must?  
JonC : 3/13/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13861242 NYG007 said:
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In comment 13861175 JonC said:


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What if Barkley, Chubb, or QB is the far superior prospect on their board?

Desperation is lame.



Only Barkley is slightly better. Every single draft "expert" and at least 11 teams reportedly have Nelson as the best player in the draft.


We'll find out, I heard he's running third at best as of last week.
May have to draft the best player at 2  
micky : 3/13/2018 8:57 am : link
then hit a few ol later in draft then look to 2019 to address it possibly. Step by step process to work through and eventually find the right mix..it's going to take time possibly (< underlined) unfortunately
get off the ledge  
SirYesSir : 3/13/2018 8:58 am : link
kid
RE: Must?  
13ODB : 3/13/2018 9:00 am : link
In comment 13861175 JonC said:
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What if Barkley, Chubb, or QB is the far superior prospect on their board?

Desperation is lame.


Chubb? Tell me why a position that is not a need would be taken over position that has been downright awful for years now??
RE: RE: Must?  
JonC : 3/13/2018 9:07 am : link
In comment 13861255 13ODB said:
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In comment 13861175 JonC said:


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What if Barkley, Chubb, or QB is the far superior prospect on their board?

Desperation is lame.



Chubb? Tell me why a position that is not a need would be taken over position that has been downright awful for years now??


Because the draft isn't solely about picking for need.
Trade back with Cleveland for their 2 2s.  
George from PA : 3/13/2018 9:08 am : link
Trade back with Buffalo for a slew of picks.....and then back up with Tampa for Nelson.

Is only way i see it happening 😊
Not saying  
jtgiants : 3/13/2018 9:13 am : link
We take Nelson but you guys do realize guards get big money now. Nelson may be a top 5 pick. Its not out of the realm of possibility. Some of you make it sound like he won't be picked that high. Pay attention. At a minimum he goes top 7 or 8.
Isaiah Wynn has a different skill set than Nelson,  
Ira : 3/13/2018 9:13 am : link
but I think all in all he's just as good and should be available late in the first.
Gee, JonC, didn't I see a post from you last week  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 3/13/2018 9:14 am : link
about being polite and courteous on BBI.

Nonetheless, Nelson is, I believe, the no. 2 rated prospect overall on almost any draft board I have seen. I might make an exception if Barkley was there but otherwise no.

Try and follow the words you like to express to others, Jon.
Also  
jtgiants : 3/13/2018 9:15 am : link
Giants may go qb but its far from a given. A lot of people are assuming we go qb. I'm not one of them. Maybe we do but its nonsure thing
guard can be had in round 2 or 3  
msh : 3/13/2018 9:15 am : link
its the OT you would spend a higher pick on nelson is good no question but from the giants perspective they would need to trade back before he becomes valuable enough to the pick to take him say move back in the 4-10 range and take him and use the extra picks the move back gets you on say a LB and WR or RB if you like guice or michel enough

with chubb,fitzpatrick and barkley all off the board then you have to seriously look at nelson (og) or perhaps edwards (LB) in the first round maybe even brown the OT who may be a bit of a reach at 2 as he projects to a RT therefore slightly devalued enough that taking at 2 would be too high even with the need on the OL

what happened a few days ago it was a virtually done deal that norwell was going to new york?
RE: Gee, JonC, didn't I see a post from you last week  
JonC : 3/13/2018 9:17 am : link
In comment 13861290 Thatís Gold, Jerry said:
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about being polite and courteous on BBI.

Nonetheless, Nelson is, I believe, the no. 2 rated prospect overall on almost any draft board I have seen. I might make an exception if Barkley was there but otherwise no.

Try and follow the words you like to express to others, Jon.


I was polite.
i and many others dont believe ANY of the  
msh : 3/13/2018 9:21 am : link
QB's are worth the pick so if the giants dont believe any of them are worth the pick forcing a QB would be even more stupid
than taking an OG you dont pass on a top OL to take a bust QB

chubb is a position of need the giants need more pass rush and chubb would give them that he is definitely in the mix if they stay at 2 as is barkley and fitzpatrick without seeing the giants draft board its impossible to tell how they have them stacked at this point
yeash, how is DE NOT a position of need?  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 9:26 am : link
ugh. I can't wait for April 26th to come and go.
Still plenty of options  
RetroJint : 3/13/2018 9:30 am : link
No need to panic. However If the deal is being reported accurately I think Gettleman could havre done better .
RE: yeash, how is DE NOT a position of need?  
JonC : 3/13/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 13861313 Victor in CT said:
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ugh. I can't wait for April 26th to come and go.


Because nothing else matters except 2018. Nothing.
RE: RE: yeash, how is DE NOT a position of need?  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 13861326 JonC said:
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In comment 13861313 Victor in CT said:


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ugh. I can't wait for April 26th to come and go.



Because nothing else matters except 2018. Nothing.


:-)
RE: I think Emil made a great point in the Norwell thread.  
AcesUp : 3/13/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 13861204 Victor in CT said:
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Why is it stupid to draft a great G at #2 if by all accounts he is indeed one of the top 2 platers in the draft, but intelligent to spend $60 mil on one in FA?

I'm not agreeing with Jerry's premise that the Norwell signing changes the Giants draft board in anyway, but I do think that it is a legitimate question.


Because franchise QBs, a bounty of cost controlled 1st + 2nd round draft picks and once in a lifetime 21 yr RB prospects aren't available in FA. You have more options at #2 than you do in free agency.
RE: RE: I think Emil made a great point in the Norwell thread.  
JonC : 3/13/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 13861340 AcesUp said:
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In comment 13861204 Victor in CT said:


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Why is it stupid to draft a great G at #2 if by all accounts he is indeed one of the top 2 platers in the draft, but intelligent to spend $60 mil on one in FA?

I'm not agreeing with Jerry's premise that the Norwell signing changes the Giants draft board in anyway, but I do think that it is a legitimate question.



Because franchise QBs, a bounty of cost controlled 1st + 2nd round draft picks and once in a lifetime 21 yr RB prospects aren't available in FA. You have more options at #2 than you do in free agency.


And those positions are ultimately more valuable to a football team, it's a game of impact talent.
Norwell  
Csonka : 3/13/2018 9:47 am : link
What the background here? Undrafted FA, now the best guard in the league getting $66 mil. What did he change, or what did the experts miss? I'm sure he worked hard to improve, but they all do.
Giants Must Draft a Guard With The Second Overall Pick in the Draft...  
Jim in Tampa : 3/13/2018 9:49 am : link
Or they'll end up in "Guard Hell".

It's that awful place NFL teams find themselves in when they forfeit just about any chance they have at a Super Bowl Championship, because they don't have an All-Pro guard on their roster.
JonC nailing it.  
yatqb : 3/13/2018 9:53 am : link
If DG was to panic and draft Nelson at #2, he would be disregarding a career's worth of knowledge of the relative value of different positions towards a team's success.

If there's a franchise QB available at 2, DG's got to take him. If DG doesn't like who's there at 2, he's got to trade down to a team in love with a QB, or take Barkley.
RE: Giants Must Draft a Guard With The Second Overall Pick in the Draft...  
GFAN52 : 3/13/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 13861365 Jim in Tampa said:
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Or they'll end up in "Guard Hell".

It's that awful place NFL teams find themselves in when they forfeit just about any chance they have at a Super Bowl Championship, because they don't have an All-Pro guard on their roster.


Nice :)
Forget a G  
NYSports1 : 3/13/2018 9:55 am : link
How about we start campaining to draft a punter with the second pick. All those 3 and outs with Eli and the Giants offense are going to require a GENERATIONAL punter to pin the offense back....We build around a PUNTER
I can't take some of you anymore  
djm : 3/13/2018 9:56 am : link
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GiantFilthy : 3/13/2018 9:56 am : link
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13ODB : 9:00 am : link : reply
Chubb? Tell me why a position that is not a need would be taken over position that has been downright awful for years now??

In what world is a blue chip DE not a need with the age, contracts, injury history, and inconsistency of our current defensive ends?
re: Csonka, what was missed regarding Norwell  
ij_reilly : 3/13/2018 10:04 am : link
Yesterday BBI had a link to an article that touched on this.

Norwell was viewed as a later round pick, but then he had a poor combine. Result, UDFA.
thanks, ij_reilly  
Csonka : 3/13/2018 10:25 am : link
I know we need to improve the line, but I'm ok not spending $66 mil on a guard to do it.
Re Nelson.  
Tuckrule : 3/13/2018 11:06 am : link
Many scouts see a lack of athleticism and a huge drop off in pass pro. Yes heís a mauler in the run game but thatís half the battle or less with the way nfl offenses are trending. Why ďwasteĒ a number 2 overall pick on a guard when you can have a guard in the second or a tackle.
Only the Sith...  
Racer : 3/13/2018 11:17 am : link
...and intellectually-challanged BBI'rs speak in absolutes.
Nelson  
Dragon : 3/13/2018 11:23 am : link
Is top ten in this draft not top five.
I think Nelson could be a worthy selection, even at #2  
Tony in Berlin : 3/13/2018 11:33 am : link
But the real question is, do the Giants believe that any of the QBs in the draft are franchise material. Is this a similar situation to when Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger were in the draft? Or is this a case of Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder from the 2011 draft - I'm leavong out Cam Newton on purpose.

I wouldn't want to select a QB just to select a QB. And if you believe in Dave Te's analysis, Nelson might be a better choice.
For  
louied7535 : 3/13/2018 1:40 pm : link
Those of you saying we have to draft a qb because we donít want to be a home in a few years. What is the basis for that comment. What makes these qbs a more sure thing than Davis Webb? I would think the person who can help your team faster would be the better pick. No donít get me wrong I understand quarterback is extremely important position however in all pro guard or running back wouldnít be too shabby. Itís not like the quarterback prospect this year or Peyton Manning or Andrew luck Cesar good prospects with very good potential but not even close to a sure thing
Joke  
louied7535 : 3/13/2018 1:40 pm : link
Not home
Sorry  
louied7535 : 3/13/2018 1:42 pm : link
I was dictating to my phone and there are some errors. That is for the language arts and grammar police
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