Early lines have NY as a home dog (Mavs -2). Might take the Knicks just so I get some satisfaction if they win. Mavs are without Wesley Matthews rest of the season now which doesn't help.
Not to be super pessimistic but if the Knicks win tonight I think you can lock in the draft slot at 9.
Posted this on the other thread but I'll ask it here:
How much can the Knicks could potentially carve out this summer (e.g. stretching Noah, Thomas and stretching/trading Kanter?)
Not saying it's the way to go, but thinking if they could throw an offer sheet to Randle, there may be a number LA won't be willing to go to match as it would lock up future cap space for all the stars they want to chase.
Let this shit stained roster marinate for one more year unless there's a special defensive 3 to be had this summer. Randle isn't really that...unless I am mistaken.
think about it....you don't need to stretch Noah this summer ESPECIALLY for the likes of Randle. Let him stew at home. Draft another kid this summer. LEt the kids play next season. KP comes back. We win 25-30 games...get another higher pick and KP finishes up the year healthy. THEN you go all in on FA when the class is better.
Noah is the stretch possibility
Even if the Knicks win tonight picking 6-8 is still a possibility
I feel like position titles are just formalities, regardless if KP or Randle is the center, KP's main job will be to rim protect on defense whereas randle will be able to handle bigger guys/rebound. On offense, KP could floor space and post on the low block when needed. Randle could run PnRs with KP
Tonight and than vs Orlando and Chicago would be huge losses. I can't see the Knicks winning more than 2 games.
How is Randle on D?
Kanter and Hardaway are good enough to affect games down the stretch. Need these two to "rest" whenever possible.
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Knicks are 1.5 point underdogs at home to Dallas. That tells me Vegas views them as the worst team in the NBA currently and they are correct. Who's currently the best player on the Knicks?
Kanter and Hardaway are good enough to affect games down the stretch. Need these two to "rest" whenever possible.
It would take balls but I would be all for shutting down Hardaway, Kanter and Lee down the stretch. Why risk injury with those guys? Other teams have done it, why not the Knicks? Going from 9th to top 5 in the lottery is a massive improvement that could alter the franchise for years. Why not maximize their chances? And please spare me the talk of building a culture.
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Knicks are 1.5 point underdogs at home to Dallas. That tells me Vegas views them as the worst team in the NBA currently and they are correct. Who's currently the best player on the Knicks?
Kanter and Hardaway are good enough to affect games down the stretch. Need these two to "rest" whenever possible.
It would take balls but I would be all for shutting down Hardaway, Kanter and Lee down the stretch. Why risk injury with those guys? Other teams have done it, why not the Knicks? Going from 9th to top 5 in the lottery is a massive improvement that could alter the franchise for years. Why not maximize their chances? And please spare me the talk of building a culture.
all true. Shutting all 3 down would piss some people off, so maybe you give them each a few games down the stretch. But there's absolutely nothing to be gained by playing them big minutes down the stretch. We have plenty of young guys that would benefit from extra playing time.
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21, 10 and 4 on 60% shooting since the All Star break and turned 23 3 months ago...I dont know if that's good but I guarantee he's gonna be better than anyone the Knicks will get the following offseason.
How is Randle on D?
Very good individual defender. His weakness was rim protection but I think he has posted some of the best rim protection %s since he's been starting. There are no glaring weaknesses to his game except for outside shooting but he more than makes up for that by being a mismatch on the perimeter with his ball handling, vision and strength.
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He’s a nice player but you’re going a little overboard here. He’s not a good defender and definitely has weaknesses. Check out the Knicks game and what Beasley did to him. He could be a good fit next to KP but I think it’s smart for the Knicks to sit out this free agency.
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Lavar Ball has said that Julius Randle is the best player on the Lakers. Link - ( New Window )
He’s a nice player but you’re going a little overboard here. He’s not a good defender and definitely has weaknesses. Check out the Knicks game and what Beasley did to him. He could be a good fit next to KP but I think it’s smart for the Knicks to sit out this free agency.
Beasley is a SF, Randle is a C. I think you're going overboard with what I was saying about him. I didn't say he was a 5 position shut down defender. Rudy Gay has taken Gobert to town on the perimeter, I don't think that detracts from Gobert being the DPOY.
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All Defense talent? Show me where I can bet he won't be All NBA Defense and I'll take it.
It's nice that he switch on the perimeter but you expect that from an undersized big. He can't space the floor or protect the rim. He's a nice young player but I wouldn't be rushing to sign him to a big contract.
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21, 10 and 4 on 60% shooting since the All Star break and turned 23 3 months ago...I dont know if that's good but I guarantee he's gonna be better than anyone the Knicks will get the following offseason.
How is Randle on D?
Very good individual defender. His weakness was rim protection but I think he has posted some of the best rim protection %s since he's been starting. There are no glaring weaknesses to his game except for outside shooting but he more than makes up for that by being a mismatch on the perimeter with his ball handling, vision and strength.
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Bulls should lose tonight @ home vs. Clips. Somehow, the Nets are up 8 on the Raps @ the end of the 1st, though I expect Toronto to win.
Don't worry lance will play 30 minutes
Trey Burke should be getting 30 minutes a game
Dotson and Williams need more minutes too
Of course, the Nets prove once again to be useless sacks of shit.
Six assists in 16 minutes.
Lance was a real defensive stopper tonight - I lost count, but I think Barnes went for 28.
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which I couldn't even enjoy because Hornacek is just awful. Do we really need 72 combined mins for Beasley and Hardaway? Only 16 mins for Frank?
Six assists in 16 minutes.
Lance was a real defensive stopper tonight - I lost count, but I think Barnes went for 28.
at least Lance got his usual 1 rebound.
Perry/Mills deserve blame as well for this. What's the plan?
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and raise you Randle checking Steph and KD. He has had consistency issues and isn't ever going to be an elite rim protector, but he absolutely has shown flashes of being All Defensive team-caliber talent on his best days. He's been far and away the Lakers best player since they traded Nance and Clarkson on both ends of the floor, 7-2 since ASB. Link - ( New Window )
All Defense talent? Show me where I can bet he won't be All NBA Defense and I'll take it.
It's nice that he switch on the perimeter but you expect that from an undersized big. He can't space the floor or protect the rim. He's a nice young player but I wouldn't be rushing to sign him to a big contract.
Good thing KP can protect the rim and Randle flourishes where KP struggles on defense (handling perimeter and stretch bigs). He doesn't space the floor but he is still a mismatch with his handle and quickness. In the East he would get perennial all star consideration. Lakers have been on a roll and he's been by far their best player.
I just dont think there's any way the Knicks even sniff all the top players hitting FA the next 2 years (Lebron, PG, Kawhi) and the Knicks could do worse than giving a 23 year old who averages 20 and 10 and compliments KP well a big deal. I think a more likely scenario than landing the studs is being left holding the bag in the offseason of 2019 and giving guys like Darren Collison and Bojan Bogdonavic 4 year/$50M deals.
In theory he could be a good fit next to KP but the Knicks and KP don’t seem to view him as a center. I don’t agree with it.
I just want to the knicks to sit out this free agency to gain some cap flexibility. Every offseason they give out some shitty contract. I agree it’s a long shot to land the top guys but I want to leave that door open. Having cap flexibility helps with other things as well.
it's not a bad idea but, thanks to the sins of Phil/Mills, we don't have the cap space or flexibility to pull it off.
In theory he could be a good fit next to KP but the Knicks and KP don’t seem to view him as a center. I don’t agree with it.
I just want to the knicks to sit out this free agency to gain some cap flexibility. Every offseason they give out some shitty contract. I agree it’s a long shot to land the top guys but I want to leave that door open. Having cap flexibility helps with other things as well.
I just think it's dumb labeling positions still, especially with big men as their roles are very matchup dependent. KP and Kanter have worked really well
Not going to lie, this is one of the most ridiculous arguments I have heard. I hear this about RBs in the NFL, never about a 22 year old NBA player. His career has been uneven because he came into the league when he was 20 and has gotten better as he matures into adulthood. Nothing against you Tyree, I think you are a great poster, but why would this silly assessment apply to Randle and Randle alone and not every single player is in the last year of their rookie deal? Is KP good or is he aware that he's up for an extension and was just dropping 25 PPG casually to boost his contract? I really don't get that argument one bit.
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Magic would look foolish if he tries landing PG and Lebron and strikes out and loses Randle for nothing. A smart team who wants Randle should give him his offer sheet day 1. Lebron ain't rushing his decision for the Lakers.
it's not a bad idea but, thanks to the sins of Phil/Mills, we don't have the cap space or flexibility to pull it off.
I believe it is possible if Noah and Thomas are waived and one of Kanter/Lee is traded with less salary in return (or if Kanter is stretched). It wouldn't be the smartest move ruining future years of cap space if you are unable to land Randle though, but I think it is at least possible if they did want to go all in.
I like Randle as a player, I just don’t want the Knicks to overpay for him. If you could get him for 4 years 40 mill then I’m interested. But he’s going to get between 4 years and 60-80 mill. The Knicks aren’t one player away and should be trying to clean up their cap and not clog it.
I know it sucks but the Knicks should view next year as another rebuilding year. Try to move Lee, Hardaway ( not happening) and Kanter for picks. Don’t rush KP back next year and nab another top pick. Take some fliers on young players and try to find the next Covington. The Knicks don’t have a young core outside of KP and desperately need to build that.
I like Randle as a player, I just don’t want the Knicks to overpay for him. If you could get him for 4 years 40 mill then I’m interested. But he’s going to get between 4 years and 60-80 mill. The Knicks aren’t one player away and should be trying to clean up their cap and not clog it.
I know it sucks but the Knicks should view next year as another rebuilding year. Try to move Lee, Hardaway ( not happening) and Kanter for picks. Don’t rush KP back next year and nab another top pick. Take some fliers on young players and try to find the next Covington. The Knicks don’t have a young core outside of KP and desperately need to build that.
Again, how does this example solely apply to Randle and not a player like KP? they've both played 3 seasons thus far in the NBA and have shown consistent improvement each year. Why is this year an aberration for Randle? He's playing as well as he always has when he gets minutes. This part is key because before Nance and Clarkson were traded the Lakers were going with different lineups every night.
The counter to that is that the the next two chances to land a player through FA is before KP's new contract. So you could look at a 4 year $80M as waste on a 23 year old, but it also could be moot how much he makes because the Knicks would have little to no room regardless if he makes $12M a year or $20M a year going forward.
Picks arent being traded for middle of the road players anymore. Lee will likely be moved for a lesser player with hopefully lesser salary if he's moved at all. I still think THJR can be part of a core for the Knicks so long as he functions primarily as a bench scorer.
I can certainly envision a core of KP, Randle, Mikal Bridges (placeholder example), Frank (in a Danny Green 3 and D role if he improves his 3 point shot) and THJr off the bench being a very strong group a few years down the line. Its sound for the modern NBA; good spacing
Criminal? Forcing a struggling young 19 year into 40 min a night is criminal.
Frank has has played more than enough minutes. Former players have said Frank will not get any better this year. He needs more conditioning and weigh training.
You guys are killing Horn night after night after night. Sonme of it I get...some if it is too much. Frank's workload is just fine right now. The guy can't fucking play yet...40 min won't help, it could hurt.
I am just glad Frank actually got some major burn this season. After the ankle injury over the summer I was concerned this rookie year would be a total washout. It has been anything but. Frank has gained valuable experience.
Now, maybe you could kill Horn for not playing Burke enough minutes...that I would agree with.
This team fucking sucks.
Huge loss (win?) for the tank with the Mavs. Next two games are key as well, a Bulls loss i think would make a top 5 pick highly likely.
Nets have been disappointing but they still get Dallas, Memphis, Charlotte at home, Orlando, Pistons at home, Bulls twice and Boston the last game of the season (probably 99% chance Boston plays all their backups that game). Hopefully that translates to at least 4 more wins for them.
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Has had his struggles and I can’t say I’m happy with the pick. But how they’ve coached him and developed him this year has been criminal. Hornacek needs to go. How does he not play him 35-40 minutes last night? He is by far the most important player to develop right now.
Criminal? Forcing a struggling young 19 year into 40 min a night is criminal.
Frank has has played more than enough minutes. Former players have said Frank will not get any better this year. He needs more conditioning and weigh training.
You guys are killing Horn night after night after night. Sonme of it I get...some if it is too much. Frank's workload is just fine right now. The guy can't fucking play yet...40 min won't help, it could hurt.
I was referring to last night. Did you watch the game? Because he kept getting yanked for no reason and was actually playing well. He only played 16 mins in a game he was playing well. You don't see a problem with that? He yanked him 30 seconds into the 4th quarter.
But yes play Hardaway 40 mins as he bricks forced 3 after forced 3. That will help build this team....