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What do you think the plan is?

Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 10:15 am
There's very little insight into what the team is trying to do. So let's speculate based on zero information.

Gettleman was a mixed bag of comments. In one sentence he acknowledges that his job is to win, then next that it's his job to safeguard the long-term view of the franchise.

He establishes that the OL is a problem and must be fixed. No idea if Norwell was a real target or not.

Suggested Eli has years left, but concedes he has to go back and watch the games again.


Where's this boat headed?
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RE: The ogletree trade is what's throwing me  
Enzo : 3/13/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13862028 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I get taking on big salary if you think you're close. I don't get taking on big salary and giving up picks with a rebuild.

agreed.
The real question is  
djm : 3/13/2018 1:21 pm : link
Do they love one of the young qbs. That really is the only question in my eyes.
I thought Jints Central declared their plan  
bw in dc : 3/13/2018 1:21 pm : link
by committing to Eli. Which, to me, suggested one of two things:

(1) Mara wants Eli's farewell tour to be memorable to make up for the fiasco he helped create last year. Or...

(2) They truly want to gear up for a big run these next two years because they actually believe there is enough left in Eli's tank.

I think it's both, but more weight on #2. So this is a fluid process and we need to see what continues to transpire in the free agency and the draft.
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arcarsenal : 3/13/2018 1:23 pm : link
Ogie is still young and under contract for a few years - I think they look at him as a guy who can help both now, and a couple years down the road.

He should be a productive player through the length of his deal.

So, that move doesn't tell me they're trying to win now rather than plan for the future - it kind of satisfies both criterion.
RE: I thought Jints Central declared their plan  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13862160 bw in dc said:
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by committing to Eli. Which, to me, suggested one of two things:

(1) Mara wants Eli's farewell tour to be memorable to make up for the fiasco he helped create last year. Or...

(2) They truly want to gear up for a big run these next two years because they actually believe there is enough left in Eli's tank.

I think it's both, but more weight on #2. So this is a fluid process and we need to see what continues to transpire in the free agency and the draft.


Roster building around a 37 year old QB in serious decline is a fireable offense.
RE: RE: I thought Jints Central declared their plan  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13862168 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13862160 bw in dc said:


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by committing to Eli. Which, to me, suggested one of two things:

(1) Mara wants Eli's farewell tour to be memorable to make up for the fiasco he helped create last year. Or...

(2) They truly want to gear up for a big run these next two years because they actually believe there is enough left in Eli's tank.

I think it's both, but more weight on #2. So this is a fluid process and we need to see what continues to transpire in the free agency and the draft.



Roster building around a 37 year old QB in serious decline is a fireable offense.


Serious decline? Didn't you see that Eagles game last year?
RE: RE: RE: I thought Jints Central declared their plan  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13862176 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 13862168 The_Boss said:


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In comment 13862160 bw in dc said:


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by committing to Eli. Which, to me, suggested one of two things:

(1) Mara wants Eli's farewell tour to be memorable to make up for the fiasco he helped create last year. Or...

(2) They truly want to gear up for a big run these next two years because they actually believe there is enough left in Eli's tank.

I think it's both, but more weight on #2. So this is a fluid process and we need to see what continues to transpire in the free agency and the draft.



Roster building around a 37 year old QB in serious decline is a fireable offense.



Serious decline? Didn't you see that Eagles game last year?


I hope you’re being sarcastic.
Mara's the owner, who's going to fire him?  
JonC : 3/13/2018 1:28 pm : link
Tend to agree with bw here.

Intent may not be to hit the reset button on a full rebuild, and with current roster composition they might have no choice but to plug holes, hit the draft, and play the 2018 season.

Full reset, rebuild from scratch isn't happening now.

But, to expect to plug holes and make a run behind Eli does not compute any longer, that's sentimentality given the Eli I've watched the past three seasons along with the current roster with some upgrades.
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Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2018 1:29 pm : link
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DieHard : 3/13/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13861870 arcarsenal said:
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Because whether we agree with it or not, I think they want Eli to be the transition guy for the next QB.

My guess is that we do draft a QB, and that Eli continues starting for a bit - possibly all of next season.

I think they want the next guy to have some time to learn from the sidelines before he gets thrown into action.

But we'll see.


I suspect this is closest to what the plan is. If Eli proves effective in the new system, then they'll contend while grooming his replacement. If he bombs out, then they'll go to the new guy sooner, without any backlash.

The danger with this approach is that if Eli is mediocre or only plays adequately and the coaches stick with him, there'll be plenty of folks who will argue the org is wasting time instead of giving the future franchise QB playing experience. But as with everything concerning Eli, there's never one clear-cut opinion about him, is there?
RE: RE: Norwell was 100% a legit target but JAX outbid us  
Thegratefulhead : 3/13/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13861578 BillKo said:
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It is what it is. Credit Gettleman for not overspending here. Now it's onto more journeyman options. Yeah sucks, but it could be worse.



I think that's a perfect assessment.

You cut your losses and you move on...that's football.

You're not going to win every battle.......
Not confident we were outbid. No Income tax and the franchise is in a MUCH better position. We needed to outbid Jax by a lot.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I thought Jints Central declared their plan  
BillKo : 3/13/2018 1:44 pm : link
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by committing to Eli. Which, to me, suggested one of two things:

(1) Mara wants Eli's farewell tour to be memorable to make up for the fiasco he helped create last year. Or...

(2) They truly want to gear up for a big run these next two years because they actually believe there is enough left in Eli's tank.

I think it's both, but more weight on #2. So this is a fluid process and we need to see what continues to transpire in the free agency and the draft.



Roster building around a 37 year old QB in serious decline is a fireable offense.



Serious decline? Didn't you see that Eagles game last year?



I hope you’re being sarcastic.


How are they building around a 37 year old QB?

The QB is, at best, going to be here two more years.

He probably is the best option to use as a bridge to the next guy - which they may draft this year or even next year. It all depends on how they feel about this year's crop of QBs.

DG is trying to build a team, gathering the best pieces, period.
RE: RE: RE: Norwell was 100% a legit target but JAX outbid us  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13862203 Thegratefulhead said:
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It is what it is. Credit Gettleman for not overspending here. Now it's onto more journeyman options. Yeah sucks, but it could be worse.



I think that's a perfect assessment.

You cut your losses and you move on...that's football.

You're not going to win every battle.......

Not confident we were outbid. No Income tax and the franchise is in a MUCH better position. We needed to outbid Jax by a lot.


Was less a matter of being outbid and more that Norwell simply preferred to play for JAX.

Can't blame him.
If the Giants don’t draft a QB..  
Sean : 3/13/2018 1:50 pm : link
I’ll be concerned. The idea should be to replicate 2004. I question Eli wanting to mentor a rookie QB, but Shurmur should want his guy like Coughlin in 04. If not Eli, a veteran QB should be brought in to be a stop gap. I think keeping Eli with a rookie QB is tricky.
I agree that it's fluid  
AcesUp : 3/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
Keep in mind, they haven't touched future cap room through restructures. Once they do that, I'll start to worry. I'm hoping we are looking a reboot or rebuild. I initially preferred the total teardown approach, but after looking at our contracts that would facilitate that kind of strategy, it does make much more sense to move on from those guys next year. I just hope that we aren't selling out to make one last run with Eli in mind because we're running out of outs and the odds aren't there to chase.
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AcesUp : 3/13/2018 2:09 pm : link
Eli's roster bonus is March 18, until then, he's not a guarantee to be a Giant. Now that the QB chaos is starting to shakeout, there is a possibility that he is dealt. Sure, it's a longshot possibility, but it would be malpractice of DG not to entertain offers.
RE: If the Giants don’t draft a QB..  
Go Terps : 3/13/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13862239 Sean said:
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I’ll be concerned. The idea should be to replicate 2004. I question Eli wanting to mentor a rookie QB, but Shurmur should want his guy like Coughlin in 04. If not Eli, a veteran QB should be brought in to be a stop gap. I think keeping Eli with a rookie QB is tricky.


I agree that Eli + rookie QB is suboptimal. To me that shows a lack of direction.
I don't think John has the spine to do anything to move Manning  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 2:28 pm : link
First he allowed the last coach to bench him, then folded like a cheap suit in the face of the fan backlash.

I think they're locked in to Eli for at least 2018. I'm not sure that it's tricky to have him share a room with a rookie QB, because I don't think Eli's capable of doing any harm. He doesn't have to be a mentor if he doesn't want to be, but there cannot be any draft decision made out of any kind of loyalty to the guy. That's inexcusable, and it's really hard to see John or even Gettlemen see past the emotional attachment to the guy.
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