I see a lot of angst and hand-wringing over individual moves and non-moves.
People get too attached to a single player, or the idea of a move and then when it doesn't happen they act like all hope is lost.
In case you missed it we have a new GM and a new HC, and an almost entirely new coaching staff. None of us (incl the beat writers) are in the room with these guys as they are planning and strategizing... so though we may pretend we know, we really do not know what the plan is, or what the time frame for building this team back up.
we have ALOT of work to do to be a decent team again, and it isn't likely to happen in 1 off season.
For my money, we have good smart people in charge and I am ready to let them put their imprint on this team over the next couple of seasons. All I ask of them is that they pull in the same direction and stay committed to their vision.
so perhaps the collective 'we' should sit back and watch this unfold, discuss individual moves as they happen but let's not start planning the success or the demise of 2018/19 season just yet. There is still a long road in front of us.
I am excited to see what Shurmer and DG do.
I like Gettleman. Right now. We'll see what happens.
Team has been bad for too long to trust without question.
I disagree that this is a bad, bad roster, but we are terrible at a couple of places - OL and LB, both which seem to be a focus of DG.
Luckily, in his career, he's found a few very good players at each of those positions.
I hope and pray to proven 1000% wrong, but I'd be surpised if this is not another losing season. Best I'm hoping for it that DG and Shurmur re-establish some order in the clubhouse and identity on the field.
Then he went to Carolina and cleaned up a salary cap mess, successfully purged high priced vets and retooled through the draft and key FA's. And they went to the SB without Steve Smith or Williams.
He was fired for trying to decide how to handle the future of then 30-year old Greg olsen and the 32 year old Thomas Davis. And his decision to not resign a then 28 year old Josh Norman looks pretty good in retrospect.
He was fired by basically telling Jerry Richardson to let him do his job. There really hasn't been much to dislike about DG in his career.
The only thing I keep thinking about is what the team would look like if he stayed here instead of going to Carolina.
And I'll truly be pissed at Mac for a long time for fucking that up and getting the defense, pretty much to a man, to abdicate last year.
We aren't deep. That's been an issue for years and why injuries hit us so hard. But we have decent DE's, a top CB and a top S, A great DT and a promising 2nd year guy. We could be sitting with a bare cupboard. I don't like the DRC move right now and I hate relying on Apple, but let's see what things look like after FA and the draft.
Then he went to Carolina and cleaned up a salary cap mess, successfully purged high priced vets and retooled through the draft and key FA's. And they went to the SB without Steve Smith or Williams.
He was fired for trying to decide how to handle the future of then 30-year old Greg olsen and the 32 year old Thomas Davis. And his decision to not resign a then 28 year old Josh Norman looks pretty good in retrospect.
He was fired by basically telling Jerry Richardson to let him do his job. There really hasn't been much to dislike about DG in his career.
The only thing I keep thinking about is what the team would look like if he stayed here instead of going to Carolina.
He was fired because the players hated him and complained to Jerry Richardson, which is not different from what you said but it is important to note that bridge to get to where he told Richardson to let him do his job. The players thought he was too tough on negotiations and they complained to the owner. I have no idea if Gettleman will be good or bad, but I think his track record is one of accomplishment, so I am giving him every benefit of the doubt. But, he hasn't earned my trust yet, not by a longshot.
Keep in mind, he let Norman go and everyone was cool with that - and basically because Richardson couldn't stand the guy. But then he wanted to see what return they could get for two aging vets (who are also the owner's favorite players), and he was canned shortly thereafter.
The Panthers would like you to believe DG was just a prick with communication issues because this was the owner's call solely (and several people in the organization were pissed). It is also why Brandon Beane went to Buffalo to be GM.
They would also have had you thought Richardson was a great guy and Marty Hurney a great GM. That team will be in over their heads a year from now, from both a leadership and personnel standpoint.
It's not like they got desperate and wheeled Ernie Accorsi in from the home to get his guidance...
It's not like they got desperate and wheeled Ernie Accorsi in from the home to get his guidance...
And his tenure only led to four playoff appearances and some key components of two Super Bowl-winning teams. If that's "failure," sign me up for similar failure with the new management team.
You are talking about a guy who forced his own son's out when they were concerned at his actions following heart surgery. Both of his sons, Jon and Mark, were decision makers and they both resigned abruptly in 2009 when Jerry forced them out. A couple years later, he changed his original plan to hand the team to them to mandate that the team be sold two years after his death to a non-family member. Jon's dead now. Jerry's disgraced, and Mark owns less than 2% of the team and has been out of the decision making process.
Richardson faces any opposition by getting rid of the person and then trying to get the press to run negative stories. He doesn't have that power anymore, and just last month, there was an article rehashing the Gettleman situation wondering what would've happened had Richardson's judgement not been so poor.
It was clear at the time and clearer now that DG didn't deserve to be fired.
Yes. He's a real piece of work. Former player turned businessman, now spits on players during labor agreements.
I actually had a doctor tell me it can be an issue. They derogatorily call it "Pump Head".
I actually had a doctor tell me it can be an issue. They derogatorily call it "Pump Head".
We have known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.
Need better O.L.s, there may be some in the draft....then there s the udfa market.
+1
Who would have thought it.
So perhaps it is more about giving them the benefit of the doubt, or allowing them some time to build their vision without pouncing on every move or non-move this early in the process.
leaving trust out of it, we made much needed, sweeping changes in this organization and brought in several guys who are generally well thought of and have solid track records in their field. I believe we should allow them to develop their plan. In the not so distant future, we will have the chance to judge that vision and the plan, but it seems a tad early to do so now.
IMO of course.
"Giants to go after Norwell"? Sure. But that's totally different.
I am happy to see that the guy can show some restraint. Easy to sign a known commodity and rest on your laurels. DG passed his first test.
So true.