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Only Beckham, Collins, Flowers left from '14 & '15 Drafts

gidiefor : Mod : 3/13/2018 12:10 pm
Yeesh!!
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I am Ninja : 3/13/2018 12:11 pm : link
fire reese again.
Just awful.  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2018 12:12 pm : link
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At least we have Flowers  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/13/2018 12:12 pm : link
.
Not  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2018 12:14 pm : link
quite there yet, but soon. Bromley and Berhe are free agents still with the Giants. But probably not for long.
not good but  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/13/2018 12:15 pm : link
isnt the average career 3 years anyway?
Where's Gary?  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/13/2018 12:16 pm : link
It's an Admin/Mod thread!
In Reese We Trust......  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2018 12:16 pm : link
A lot of people look real silly now
Two diamonds in a dumpster.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 12:17 pm : link
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RE: At least we have Flowers  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13861913 Bold Ruler said:
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Sirius NFL Radio THe Blitz is talking about the train wreck that is the Giants offensive line. So bad so that quote "think about this, Erek Flowers is the Giants best Offensive Linemen. Let that sink in, Flowers is the best of the Giants Offensive Linemen"... Sigh.... :(
RE: RE: At least we have Flowers  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13861930 jvm52106 said:
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In comment 13861913 Bold Ruler said:


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Sirius NFL Radio THe Blitz is talking about the train wreck that is the Giants offensive line. So bad so that quote "think about this, Erek Flowers is the Giants best Offensive Linemen. Let that sink in, Flowers is the best of the Giants Offensive Linemen"... Sigh.... :(



SSSHHHHH!!!!!!!!! You can't spend that much on a G. Only WR, DE and QB
Before long it'll just be Beckham and Collins.  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2018 12:19 pm : link
Give Reese credit though... for something. I don't know.
RE: In Reese We Trust......  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/13/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13861927 Reb8thVA said:
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A lot of people look real silly now


Right. Some of these folks who now have no problem being critical of Reese, didn't start to shit on him until just this past season.

I wonder why. Hmmm.
JPP  
RobCarpenter : 3/13/2018 12:21 pm : link
is the only player on the team from the 2010 to 2013 drafts (assuming Pugh leaves). And most of those players aren't even in the league anymore.
And we started to think the drafts were improving  
Chris684 : 3/13/2018 12:22 pm : link
Oops...
RE: RE: In Reese We Trust......  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13861942 Dave in Hoboken said:
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A lot of people look real silly now



Right. Some of these folks who now have no problem being critical of Reese, didn't start to shit on him until just this past season.

I wonder why. Hmmm.


Not me. I said he should have been canned in 2013 and took a whole lot of shit for it.
I ask again:  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 12:22 pm : link
How in the fuck did Reese/Ross not get canned in 2015 along with Coughlin?
RE: I ask again:  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/13/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13861953 Victor in CT said:
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How in the fuck did Reese/Ross not get canned in 2015 along with Coughlin?


it was so obvious then too I was ready to kick someone in the balls after that went down
What an absolute shit show this old  
montanagiant : 3/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
Front Office was. Why they did not can his ass 2 yrs ago in baffling to say the least
RE: I ask again:  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13861953 Victor in CT said:
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How in the fuck did Reese/Ross not get canned in 2015 along with Coughlin?
When you get an answer, let Coughlin know. It was a mystery to him too.
RE: RE: I ask again:  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13861956 OdellBeckhamJr said:
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How in the fuck did Reese/Ross not get canned in 2015 along with Coughlin?



it was so obvious then too I was ready to kick someone in the balls after that went down


Same reason we resigned Herzlich yesterday.
Are we in a rebuild situation?  
Rick in Dallas : 3/13/2018 12:33 pm : link
We have holes across the board in all phases of the game.
Offense needs OL, RB, QB help. Defense needs LB and secondary help.
Special teams need punter, kicker help. One year of the draft and free agency doesn’t rebuild this roster.
I always wondered if there was some sort of internal stuff  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2018 12:33 pm : link
between Coughlin and Reese.

They just seemed to have very different opinions on how to build a roster.
Oh and let Laurel and Hardy in the owners' box know too  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2018 12:35 pm : link
because this is another fine mess they've gotten us in to.
Man, Reese was horrible  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/13/2018 12:35 pm : link
those last few seasons.
RE: RE: I ask again:  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13861970 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13861953 Victor in CT said:


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How in the fuck did Reese/Ross not get canned in 2015 along with Coughlin?

When you get an answer, let Coughlin know. It was a mystery to him too.


It's unreal when you think about it. They got rid of everybody in the building, Fewell, Gilbride, Flaherty, Coughlin, different players etc until they finally wake up and realize that Reese and Ross have decimated the roster? WTF!

The ownership has no clue. This is really bad. We had better all pray the Gettleman has more George Young than anybody knows in him because more than anything they need someone to keep Johnny and Stevie away from their expensive toy.
RE: I always wondered if there was some sort of internal stuff  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13861980 Brown Recluse said:
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between Coughlin and Reese.

They just seemed to have very different opinions on how to build a roster.
Nah, they were on the same page; you can tell by the parade of ex-Giants headed to Jax.
In Reese  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2018 12:38 pm : link
We Trust!
Super Bowl Champs have 0 from 2014  
okayrene : 3/13/2018 12:39 pm : link
and 2 from 2015.
 
okayrene : 3/13/2018 12:39 pm : link
You guys are alarmists.
RE: Super Bowl Champs have 0 from 2014  
section125 : 3/13/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13861996 okayrene said:
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and 2 from 2015.


Can't be. The Giants are an enigma..
RE: RE: RE: I ask again:  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13861989 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13861953 Victor in CT said:


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How in the fuck did Reese/Ross not get canned in 2015 along with Coughlin?

When you get an answer, let Coughlin know. It was a mystery to him too.



It's unreal when you think about it. They got rid of everybody in the building, Fewell, Gilbride, Flaherty, Coughlin, different players etc until they finally wake up and realize that Reese and Ross have decimated the roster? WTF!

The ownership has no clue. This is really bad. We had better all pray the Gettleman has more George Young than anybody knows in him because more than anything they need someone to keep Johnny and Stevie away from their expensive toy.
Yep. Business school case study on how to screw up an organization.
this is all on the mealy mouth owner  
sundayatone : 3/13/2018 12:45 pm : link
and it will not change
Reese needed to hit it out of the park with those drafts...  
sb from NYT Forum : 3/13/2018 12:46 pm : link
It was clear after 2013 that our roster was thin and lacked talent. That is just a pathetic job by Reese.
It"s Why They Have To Trade Down IMO  
TheVette : 3/13/2018 12:47 pm : link
Look - not adverse to picking Rosen/Darnold, whoever - BUT the current state of this franchise is so pathetic based on how poorly this team has drafted. If they trust DG and PS then their FIRST job is improve the talent on this roster (mainly the OL).

Just shows how braindead stupid John Mara is. 2 years ago he talked about how badly the Giants have drafted, how they ranked near the bottom of premium picks remaining on the roster, highlighting how teams are primarily constructed by core draft picks in the age 24-28 range and how that was not the case. That said - he dumped Coughlin and KEPT Reese. Idiot
I was on the fire Reese bandwagon for five years, too.  
Red Dog : 3/13/2018 12:48 pm : link
Hats off to Reb8thVA for sticking to his guns on it.

After Reese and Ross spent a decade slowly destroying this team, aided by McAdoo who turned the final screws to make it a total shambles, it is going to take far more than one off-season to rebuild it.
Before that it was the 2009-12 drafts  
ghost718 : 3/13/2018 12:49 pm : link
2012 being the standout

RE: RE: Super Bowl Champs have 0 from 2014  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13862006 section125 said:
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and 2 from 2015.



Can't be. The Giants are an enigma..
They aren't. Incompetent management bungled the analysis of their own organization and failed to vett the happy talk coming out of the GM suite. Although that is probably a little harsh concerning Mara. I think he suspected something was rotten in Denmark. The Producer though thought firing the director would improve the show even though the singers couldn't sing and the dancers tripped all over themselves.
RE: Reese needed to hit it out of the park with those drafts...  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13862019 sb from NYT Forum said:
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It was clear after 2013 that our roster was thin and lacked talent. That is just a pathetic job by Reese.
It was clear to a few. They were shouted down by the herd who had to be hit over the head with it in the playoffs at Green Bay.
the 2011 SB made them think that if they just patched it  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
together enough to get in, Eli would carry them to another trophy. Reese/Ross (and Mara/Tisch allowed themselves to be convinced) didn't realize that they witnessed a miracle in that run. Even in the game when they killed ATL, Kareem McKenzie could barely move, and even gave up a safety. Nicks was supernatural and they rode him and Eli to the SB win. Then Nicks got hurt, the rest of the OL aged and there were no replacements. Here we are.
RE: RE: Reese needed to hit it out of the park with those drafts...  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13862044 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13862019 sb from NYT Forum said:


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It was clear after 2013 that our roster was thin and lacked talent. That is just a pathetic job by Reese.

It was clear to a few. They were shouted down by the herd who had to be hit over the head with it in the playoffs at Green Bay.


Yep.
reese/ross/mac and little stevie  
sundayatone : 3/13/2018 1:04 pm : link
all out of jobs,maybe forever in the nfl.
You are crazy  
djstat : 3/13/2018 1:09 pm : link
a few of the top guys are off the market and were 5-11, 6-10. There are other players. Good players. There is a draft. We won't have the injuries of years past. If you are sitting and predicting a 5 win season and have accepted that please go root for the Jets.
RE: You are crazy  
TheVette : 3/13/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13862116 djstat said:
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a few of the top guys are off the market and were 5-11, 6-10. There are other players. Good players. There is a draft. We won't have the injuries of years past. If you are sitting and predicting a 5 win season and have accepted that please go root for the Jets.


So you can predict which players will not be injured this year? Interesting - we need to get you a job on the Giants staff
RE: You are crazy  
TheVette : 3/13/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13862116 djstat said:
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a few of the top guys are off the market and were 5-11, 6-10. There are other players. Good players. There is a draft. We won't have the injuries of years past. If you are sitting and predicting a 5 win season and have accepted that please go root for the Jets.


So you can predict which players will not be injured this year? Interesting - we need to get you a job on the Giants staff
Hopefully Gettlemen is more successful in the draft than Reese was  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/13/2018 1:24 pm : link
because that's where a GM earns his keep. I'm a believer that the foundation of a roster is built from the draft. You'll never win consistently in this league if you don't draft well. Sure it is fun to see your team sign big name free agents, but it is a 53 MAN ROSTER, and 1 or 2 guys aren't going to make or break your team.
And depending  
old man : 3/13/2018 1:57 pm : link
On the owners feelings and the level of truth of the OBJ video...maybe only Collins.
Cleveland could get good real quick with OBJ joining his buddy JL...and Apple going back " home" to Ohio and fresh starts for both.
The picks/ player returns would be a helpful start and save on a big upcoming payday.
Not advocating...just offering out both ideas.
RE: I was on the fire Reese bandwagon for five years, too.  
Diver_Down : 3/13/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13862030 Red Dog said:
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Hats off to Reb8thVA for sticking to his guns on it.

After Reese and Ross spent a decade slowly destroying this team, aided by McAdoo who turned the final screws to make it a total shambles, it is going to take far more than one off-season to rebuild it.


There were quite a few that vocal in their criticism of Reese. The problem was that any dissenting opinion especially of Reese was quickly countered and shouted down as being racist. David in LA was one of the biggest white night defenders of Reese. Everyone was a racist in his eyes. Like white crackers in your soup? You Racist!
Can we rehire and fire Reese every day?  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/13/2018 2:19 pm : link
Would make me feel good.
RE: RE: I was on the fire Reese bandwagon for five years, too.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13862325 Diver_Down said:
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The problem was that any dissenting opinion especially of Reese was quickly countered and shouted down as being racist.


That's nonsense. There was plenty of poorly thought out or flat out incorrect 'dissenting opinion' that deserved to be dismissed.
What an indictment  
mrvax : 3/13/2018 2:51 pm : link
Out of 14 or so picks, only 2 good and 1 iffy player left?
To Boot: 2014 and 2015 was where everyone said that Reese had finally turned a corner on lousy drafts! We were so wrong.
Part of these failures may have been coaching  
Go Terps : 3/13/2018 3:07 pm : link
Frankly I think the coaching for this team has been horrific since about 2013.
RE: Part of these failures may have been coaching  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13862471 Go Terps said:
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Frankly I think the coaching for this team has been horrific since about 2013.
Uh huh. You've been flat out wrong about everything but keep pitching kid.
Just criminally awful  
lawguy9801 : 3/13/2018 4:05 pm : link
Who in their right mind would give Reese a job?
RE: Are we in a rebuild situation?  
FStubbs : 3/13/2018 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13861978 Rick in Dallas said:
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We have holes across the board in all phases of the game.
Offense needs OL, RB, QB help. Defense needs LB and secondary help.
Special teams need punter, kicker help. One year of the draft and free agency doesn’t rebuild this roster.


Yes. This is what a rebuild looks like. And we'll likely be in the top 10 again next year.
RE: Just criminally awful  
Jimmy Googs : 3/13/2018 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13862623 lawguy9801 said:
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Who in their right mind would give Reese a job?


Recall many on this site (you know who you are) spouting off over the years that Reese would have numerous offers if the Giants ever parted ways with him. Mostly citing that not too many GMs have 2 SB wins on their resume. And of course the astuteness of spending $200M on Snacks, OV and JackRabbit.



RE: RE: Just criminally awful  
ColHowPepper : 3/13/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13862945 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13862623 lawguy9801 said:
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Who in their right mind would give Reese a job?

Recall many on this site (you know who you are) spouting off over the years that Reese would have numerous offers if the Giants ever parted ways with him. Mostly citing that not too many GMs have 2 SB wins on their resume. And of course the astuteness of spending $200M on Snacks, OV and JackRabbit.
rfflair being the cheerleader in chief for that squad

That rejoiner--about the SBs--was irrefutable but against all the evidence of roster deterioration and imbalance, getting worse by the year. The decisions taken at the end of '15 were indefensible, Tom needed to go, but "We believe Jerry is the right guy to lead us to the next level..." or some such from ownership. Based on friggin' what?
Reese:  
Doomster : 3/14/2018 9:53 am : link
"TC wouldn't play the players I drafted for him"....I wonder why?
RE: Reese:  
Victor in CT : 3/14/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 13864110 Doomster said:
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"TC wouldn't play the players I drafted for him"....I wonder why?


Yes if only TC had the vison of John Mara, who noticed right away the greatness of Jerrel Jernigan. :-)
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