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Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 12:50 pm
a multi-year rebuild. Nobody in this FA class was going to save this team, and the cap space is limited.

Sure, Norwell would've been a nice building block for the OL, but that ship has sailed.

The best way to start a rebuild is to grab a franchise QB if you have an opportunity to do so, and the Giants are in a great position.

I had myself convinced that Barkley + Norwell and a couple of other signings, plus a resurrection of Eli could get this team to 10 wins, but I was being a delusional fan. I'm not going to worry about who we get/don't get in FA. This off-season is all about the draft and adding to our young core for me. The NFC is extremely competitive right now, and the Giants have one of the worst rosters with an aging QB. Anything more the 7 or 8 wins would be a bonus. Guarantee the Vegas win total will be set somewhere in that 7 range.
We do have some good building blocks though  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 12:53 pm : link
Tomlinson, Collins, Ogletree on defense. Maybe Vernon. Snacks is 29, but still playing at a high level. We kept Apple, and he is only 23 with tons of potential.

On offense, there is Odell, Shep, Engram, and Gallman. Plus Jones is a decent Center who is only 26-27 years old.

I'd like to see a guy like Hubbard signed, as he is young and has starting RT potential for the next 4-5 years. Also, EJ Gaines, who is only 25 years old and is an emerging CB.
I wouldn't be surprised  
family progtitioner : 3/13/2018 12:54 pm : link
by 7 wins simply because of the new coach effect, but wow, 7 wins just looking at this roster alone seems like an impossibility.
Lets see what happens  
GoBlue6599 : 3/13/2018 12:55 pm : link
Qb play is a huge factor in this league.. We take the right guy at #2 and the G-men could be back quicker then many expect
RE: I wouldn't be surprised  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13862051 family progtitioner said:
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by 7 wins simply because of the new coach effect, but wow, 7 wins just looking at this roster alone seems like an impossibility.


Been saying this is a 5/6 win team next season since January. I'm not coming off that assertion.

It might actually be worse when you look deeper.
We need a full rebuild  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/13/2018 12:57 pm : link
No one available was going to make us a contender again. We need to hit big with this draft and build for the future.
RE: Lets see what happens  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13862055 GoBlue6599 said:
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Qb play is a huge factor in this league.. We take the right guy at #2 and the G-men could be back quicker then many expect


I agree, although rookie QB's tearing up the league is not something that anyone expects. QB is the position that could have the biggest impact, not RB or LG. That is the fastest and easiest way to a rebuild.
You can be..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2018 12:58 pm : link
a "realist" or you can scan recent history of the NFL to see multi-year rebuilds are rare.

I get the idea that ascending this year to the playoffs will be a challenge, but we are one year removed from having a dominant D, and we still have several of those pieces here.

And I've pointed this out numerous times, but there hasn't been a year in over a decade where at least 50% of the playoff teams from one year are replaced the next year. This past season was 8 out of the 12 teams as new.

I get not being overly optimistic, but to act as if we are looking at a multi-year plan where we are going to suck for awhile is probably less likely to happen than to turn things around quickly.
I expect the DG and PS to  
DonnieD89 : 3/13/2018 12:58 pm : link
do what is right for the team. Having the #2 draft pick lands us a franchise QB or Barkley. There are different ways to build an OL. Don't panic now.
Either aim to be very good, or very bad.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/13/2018 12:59 pm : link
The last thing anyone should want is to languish in the 5-8 win range. At least if you're terrible you can lean on getting the best players in the draft.
We all need to take a deep breath  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2018 12:59 pm : link
and I will admit that signing Norwell would have been great, except for the fact that he is making bank and we would be tight against the cap.

DG said he would find some hog mollies and until he doesn't I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. How knows, maybe Fluker will be re-signed. There are lots of mid level guys out there who can come in and make this unit solid.

The waiting is the hardest part.
we need to hit on the next 2 - 3 drafts  
markky : 3/13/2018 1:01 pm : link
to be a contender. it will take a while.

we should be drafting top 8 next year as well.
RE: RE: Lets see what happens  
GoBlue6599 : 3/13/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13862065 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 13862055 GoBlue6599 said:


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Qb play is a huge factor in this league.. We take the right guy at #2 and the G-men could be back quicker then many expect



I agree, although rookie QB's tearing up the league is not something that anyone expects. QB is the position that could have the biggest impact, not RB or LG. That is the fastest and easiest way to a rebuild.

I don't expect much in year 1 but if the guy is a stud year 2-3 and beyond could bring this franchise back into contention
You know, system itself can be nearly as important as the players....  
Britt in VA : 3/13/2018 1:01 pm : link
within it.

A good offensive system can mask the warts of things like a poor offensive line sometimes.

McAdoo wasn't able to, but that doesn't mean Shurmer won't be able to, to a successful degree with a few good utility players.
RE: You can be..  
adamg : 3/13/2018 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13862071 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a "realist" or you can scan recent history of the NFL to see multi-year rebuilds are rare.

I get the idea that ascending this year to the playoffs will be a challenge, but we are one year removed from having a dominant D, and we still have several of those pieces here.

And I've pointed this out numerous times, but there hasn't been a year in over a decade where at least 50% of the playoff teams from one year are replaced the next year. This past season was 8 out of the 12 teams as new.

I get not being overly optimistic, but to act as if we are looking at a multi-year plan where we are going to suck for awhile is probably less likely to happen than to turn things around quickly.


+1 It's the first day of FA. It's not the end of the world that we didn't get a 13.3 mill dollar LG.
Wow what a difference a day and Norwell not signing makes...  
JCin332 : 3/13/2018 1:03 pm : link
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BUT, here is the issue  
jvm52106 : 3/13/2018 1:07 pm : link
I have with both sides of the argument. Multi year rebuild guys say have to take the QB and argue 100% against trading down and getting more picks. BUt, a QB, who is destined to sit this year will not be part of anything this first season. By staying at #2 we limit the choices we have and limit our ability to "rebuild" multiple areas of this team.

The turn around guys look at 2016 as the possible reasoning for a return to winning ways. However, 2016 was different and the bulk of the players from 2016 are either not here, not performing or are overpaid and limiting our adding other players.

So what do we do. If we are rebuild then at this point we need to discuss letting Eli go and eating some dead money. No point in drafting a guy and having him sit. Plus, we would save some money against the cap (Dead money means nothing really, it is all about cap space).

If we are going turnaround, then we have to really look at dropping down in Round 1 and securing multiple offensive linemen.


1988- Eric Moore and Jumbo Elliott
1989- Brian Williams and Bob Kratch

We need to basically get at least 2 draft picks at the Oline position.
RE: You know, system itself can be nearly as important as the players....  
DonnieD89 : 3/13/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13862087 Britt in VA said:
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within it.

A good offensive system can mask the warts of things like a poor offensive line sometimes.

McAdoo wasn't able to, but that doesn't mean Shurmer won't be able to, to a successful degree with a few good utility players.


I agree totally with this. Get your players in that fit your scheme. There is still a lot of talent on the Giants as previously mentioned. As I said, 2nd pick overall will land you a franchise QB or Barkley. Get your "hog mollies" in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round.
RE: Wow what a difference a day and Norwell not signing makes...  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13862095 JCin332 said:
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This has nothing to do with just Norwell...

It's more so the 37 year old QB who is ranked in the bottom half of the leagues starters.

It's the fact that there is 1 quality OL on this roster.

There is a new hole at CB with DRC being cut.

The DL lacks depth.

There is 1 starting LB under contract.

Wayne Gallman is the starting RB.

An upgrade at FS could be used.

Heck, we don't even have a kicker or a punter.

Plus, we are switching to a new system on both sides of the ball and our personel on defense needs to be re-worked.
^  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 1:11 pm : link
or 2 starting LB's if you count Goodson
For me  
Tony in Tampa : 3/13/2018 1:11 pm : link
QB @ 2, G Wynn or Hernandez @ 34, one more OL later in the draft and a RB. Take quality with your top 2 picks. If need be trade down with your 3rd rnd pick.

This was always going to be a 2-3 year rebuild that will extend beyond the end of Eli's Giants contract
Realism - No rookie QB will be ready to start this year.  
Red Dog : 3/13/2018 1:13 pm : link
Putting a rookie QB out there as the starter will lead to an 0-16 season and not much better in 2019.

Stick with Eli through this contract. Anything else is absolutely insane.

RE: RE: Wow what a difference a day and Norwell not signing makes...  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13862118 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 13862095 JCin332 said:


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This has nothing to do with just Norwell...

It's more so the 37 year old QB who is ranked in the bottom half of the leagues starters.

It's the fact that there is 1 quality OL on this roster.

There is a new hole at CB with DRC being cut.

The DL lacks depth.

There is 1 starting LB under contract.

Wayne Gallman is the starting RB.

An upgrade at FS could be used.

Heck, we don't even have a kicker or a punter.

Plus, we are switching to a new system on both sides of the ball and our personel on defense needs to be re-worked.


We have 1 quality OL? Thatís news to me.
This team can be competirive  
RAIN : 3/13/2018 1:14 pm : link
with an average OL. The ďrebuildĒ can turn around quickly with a good draft and the right FAís brought in. If we are able to sign a couple starters and draft an effective OL, we will be on our way. Itís tough in that they will all have to hit. Guys like Wheeler and Bisnowaty will need to make leaps. We donít have much room for error. Apple will have to get right.

I donít think itís a complete tear down because we have impact players in both sides of the ball. Well need some smarts, luck, and good drafting. This isnít Cleveland.

RE: This team can be competirive  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13862137 RAIN said:
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Guys like Wheeler and Bisnowaty will need to make leaps. We donít have much room for error. Apple will have to get right.

I donít think itís a complete tear down because we have impact players in both sides of the ball. Well need some smarts, luck, and good drafting. This isnít Cleveland.


Your plan hinges on an UDFA and a 6th rounder who was cut in preseason making huge leaps. I like Wheeler, he is better than Hart and maybe he can become something, but I'm not going to bank on him becoming an above average starter.
RE: Realism - No rookie QB will be ready to start this year.  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13862131 Red Dog said:
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Putting a rookie QB out there as the starter will lead to an 0-16 season and not much better in 2019.

Stick with Eli through this contract. Anything else is absolutely insane.


I didn't say anything about getting rid of Eli and throwing a rookie QB out there in week 1.
RE: Realism - No rookie QB will be ready to start this year.  
DonnieD89 : 3/13/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13862131 Red Dog said:
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Putting a rookie QB out there as the starter will lead to an 0-16 season and not much better in 2019.

Stick with Eli through this contract. Anything else is absolutely insane.


True RedDog, but Carson Wentz had a good 2nd year. Next year will be good to watch. I think the big change will be in 2019. Pick #2 will be a big impact within the next 2 to 3 years. Barkley would be more of an immediate impact though.
RE: RE: I wouldn't be surprised  
djm : 3/13/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13862060 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13862051 family progtitioner said:


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by 7 wins simply because of the new coach effect, but wow, 7 wins just looking at this roster alone seems like an impossibility.



Been saying this is a 5/6 win team next season since January. I'm not coming off that assertion.

It might actually be worse when you look deeper.


Iíd take the over on that right now without even seeing the offseason play out. Well be a much better team in 2018.
This thread absolutely wouldn't exist if we had signed Norwell  
adamg : 3/13/2018 1:26 pm : link
Get real. This is an overreaction to one move.
all this because Norwell hasn't signed?  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/13/2018 1:29 pm : link
Look -- there were a good number of posters who didn;t even think the Norwell signing was a good idea before FA started.

Me - I'mma gonna wait and see what happens -- I'm not ready to take belly flops into the lake yet -- just because we didn't sign Norwell does not mean the sky is falling

The Giants can't make a $200 million splash this year in FA -- it's just a fact -- and there are a lot of needs not just 1 or two

CBs - LBs - OL - RB -- you could even argue WR and S, and the Giants only have 5 draft picks

we will learn a lot in the next month and a half -- so buckle in

I expect the FO to sign 3 Olinemen still, another LB, I expect a vet RB (or two) to be signed, and I expect Gettelmen to draft a couple of Olineman and a couple of CBs

The real issue is whether or not the Giants pick a QB in first round of the draft -- or a skill position like Barkely, Chubb, Fitzpatrick or the Guard

I don't know what you guys expected - Norwell was not a real possibility given that he was going to command more than 12 million a year -- the Giants only have $20 million in cap space
Yes, this will not be done in one year.....  
Simms11 : 3/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
almost impossible given the cap we currently have. If we could sign a few Olinemen that have some potential, a few LBers and CB depth, that would be a great start. The draft will be used to bring in a few more Olinemen, IMO. That's where we really need to make our money and where Reese failed IMO. Yes he drafted Olinemen, but for the most part were not very good. Hopefully our scouts will do a better job this year?! Build through the draft and augment through Free Agency.
RE: This thread absolutely wouldn't exist if we had signed Norwell  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13862177 adamg said:
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Get real. This is an overreaction to one move.


Correction- the ensuing threads if we had signed Norwell about 10-6, all we need is Barkley and we have a shot at the playoffs would have been the overreaction.

As fans, we always hope for the best and it clouds our site of what reality is.
RE: all this because Norwell hasn't signed?  
DonnieD89 : 3/13/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13862191 gidiefor said:
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Look -- there were a good number of posters who didn;t even think the Norwell signing was a good idea before FA started.

Me - I'mma gonna wait and see what happens -- I'm not ready to take belly flops into the lake yet -- just because we didn't sign Norwell does not mean the sky is falling

The Giants can't make a $200 million splash this year in FA -- it's just a fact -- and there are a lot of needs not just 1 or two

CBs - LBs - OL - RB -- you could even argue WR and S, and the Giants only have 5 draft picks

we will learn a lot in the next month and a half -- so buckle in

I expect the FO to sign 3 Olinemen still, another LB, I expect a vet RB (or two) to be signed, and I expect Gettelmen to draft a couple of Olineman and a couple of CBs

The real issue is whether or not the Giants pick a QB in first round of the draft -- or a skill position like Barkely, Chubb, Fitzpatrick or the Guard

I don't know what you guys expected - Norwell was not a real possibility given that he was going to command more than 12 million a year -- the Giants only have $20 million in cap space


100+
LOL with this  
ZogZerg : 3/13/2018 1:33 pm : link
Waaah;( ....

I'm not sure what some of you were expecting, but BFD that the Giants miss out on a FA.
RE: all this because Norwell hasn't signed?  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13862191 gidiefor said:
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Look -- there were a good number of posters who didn;t even think the Norwell signing was a good idea before FA started.

Me - I'mma gonna wait and see what happens -- I'm not ready to take belly flops into the lake yet -- just because we didn't sign Norwell does not mean the sky is falling

The Giants can't make a $200 million splash this year in FA -- it's just a fact -- and there are a lot of needs not just 1 or two

CBs - LBs - OL - RB -- you could even argue WR and S, and the Giants only have 5 draft picks

we will learn a lot in the next month and a half -- so buckle in

I expect the FO to sign 3 Olinemen still, another LB, I expect a vet RB (or two) to be signed, and I expect Gettelmen to draft a couple of Olineman and a couple of CBs

The real issue is whether or not the Giants pick a QB in first round of the draft -- or a skill position like Barkely, Chubb, Fitzpatrick or the Guard

I don't know what you guys expected - Norwell was not a real possibility given that he was going to command more than 12 million a year -- the Giants only have $20 million in cap space


I'm saying that a big, shiny signing like Norwell would have clouded our perception of reality- that this roster needs a ton of work (yet with limited cap) and a franchise QB should be the pick at #2.
RE: all this because Norwell hasn't signed?  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13862191 gidiefor said:
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Look -- there were a good number of posters who didn;t even think the Norwell signing was a good idea before FA started.

Me - I'mma gonna wait and see what happens -- I'm not ready to take belly flops into the lake yet -- just because we didn't sign Norwell does not mean the sky is falling

The Giants can't make a $200 million splash this year in FA -- it's just a fact -- and there are a lot of needs not just 1 or two

CBs - LBs - OL - RB -- you could even argue WR and S, and the Giants only have 5 draft picks

we will learn a lot in the next month and a half -- so buckle in

I expect the FO to sign 3 Olinemen still, another LB, I expect a vet RB (or two) to be signed, and I expect Gettelmen to draft a couple of Olineman and a couple of CBs

The real issue is whether or not the Giants pick a QB in first round of the draft -- or a skill position like Barkely, Chubb, Fitzpatrick or the Guard

I don't know what you guys expected - Norwell was not a real possibility given that he was going to command more than 12 million a year -- the Giants only have $20 million in cap space


Hitdog said the NYG offer was very comprable to Jacksonville, less the FLA tax advantage. Norwell just chose the better team. Perhaps if the current state of the roster wasnít an utter shit show, heíd be sizing up his new NYG jersey with Skiba this afternoon.

I think it is insane to  
DonnieD89 : 3/13/2018 1:35 pm : link
pure $13 million into one player, particularly at a non premium position. DG di the right thing. I suspect he new this, but was hoping to get him for less.
just gimme  
UESBLUE : 3/13/2018 1:38 pm : link
a reason to stay home on a nice day like i used to to watch a Giants game.
C'mon..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2018 1:40 pm : link
nobody knows reality in today's NFL.

Injuries can derail a season. Suspensions can take a team out of the running. Peaking in October takes a lot of teams down. Going into last year, we heard about the Raiders, Texans and Dolphins as being three teams on the rise. Detroit, Cowboys and Seattle were roundly considered locks for the playoffs. But look at the way a season can turn.

Honestly, dismissing drafting Barkley, getting a top OL as being inconsequential to rapid improvement is foolish. sometimes that's all you need. Heck, we rode a $200M investment in the D and a very healthy team to the playoffs.

Realism would be seeing that these types of situations are far more common than long-term rebuilds. And like I've said before, the rebuild isn't what happens - it is the sustaining of the outlier years that needs to happen. If the Bills and Jags miss the playoffs this year, we we call them having successful rebuilds or one lucky season?

Teams never truly rebuild anymore. They try to make the roster as strong as possible and hope that the window they have when key contracts align without too many expensive guys is able to be a year where they stay healthy and contend. If not, you're left with the carolina Panthers. A team that has existed since 1995 and has never had back to back winning seasons.
RE: Stick with Eli through this contract.  
Trainmaster : 3/13/2018 1:42 pm : link
+1

Start drafting BPA in rounds 1 through 3, donít overpay in free agency and things will turn around.

Hopefully drafting Barkley is the first step.
RE: Realism - No rookie QB will be ready to start this year.  
Justlurking : 3/13/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13862131 Red Dog said:
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Putting a rookie QB out there as the starter will lead to an 0-16 season and not much better in 2019.

Stick with Eli through this contract. Anything else is absolutely insane.


What's insane is sticking with a 37 year old QB in the midst of a complete rebuild. They won 3 games last season. Time to blow it up and start over. Try to trade Eli and other veterans and accumulate picks.

Right now what's the upside of this team? 6 wins
it's a year to year for teams  
micky : 3/13/2018 1:47 pm : link
ups and downs. yes there can be a quick turn around with most likely everything having to fall into place and a little luck, but also, it can take a few off seasons to get back on track and playoffs etc.

Imo, I think this will take the giants a couple off seasons (rare this day and age in NFL) to get the right pieces here in order to contend, esp with what they want on OL.

When they do get there this time around, it'll likely be a year to year consultancy of contending for div, playoffs, etc instead of up and down seasons like lately.

RE: Either aim to be very good, or very bad.  
Essex : 3/13/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13862076 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The last thing anyone should want is to languish in the 5-8 win range. At least if you're terrible you can lean on getting the best players in the draft.


exactly!!!! The reason why there is so much turnover in the playoffs from year to year is because the range of 6 to 10 wins teams are so many that obviously the playoff teams are going to fluctuate from year to year. You want to build to be a 10-13 win range and stay out of the 6-10 win range. And, yes there are teams that have done that, such as the Pats, Steelers, Chiefs, and to a lesser degree the Falcons. Yes, you can have a 2011, like we did, but the more likely scenario is the one we just went through from 2016 to 2017. The quick fix usually is a one-year drug and it isn't worth it as we just saw.
Power rank the NFC based on rosters  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 1:56 pm : link
and tell me where you would put the Giants

1. Philly
2. Minnesota
3. Atlanta
4. New Orleans
5. LA Rams
6. Carolina
7. Dallas
8. Green Bay (but they have Rodgers)
9. Seattle (but they have Wilson)
10. Detroit (Stafford, Patricia will help the defense)
11. San Fran (think they are going to surprise and contend next year)




RE: RE: Either aim to be very good, or very bad.  
Justlurking : 3/13/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13862256 Essex said:
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In comment 13862076 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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The last thing anyone should want is to languish in the 5-8 win range. At least if you're terrible you can lean on getting the best players in the draft.



exactly!!!! The reason why there is so much turnover in the playoffs from year to year is because the range of 6 to 10 wins teams are so many that obviously the playoff teams are going to fluctuate from year to year. You want to build to be a 10-13 win range and stay out of the 6-10 win range. And, yes there are teams that have done that, such as the Pats, Steelers, Chiefs, and to a lesser degree the Falcons. Yes, you can have a 2011, like we did, but the more likely scenario is the one we just went through from 2016 to 2017. The quick fix usually is a one-year drug and it isn't worth it as we just saw.


agree 100%
RE: Power rank the NFC based on rosters  
The_Boss : 3/13/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13862263 Breeze_94 said:
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and tell me where you would put the Giants

1. Philly
2. Minnesota
3. Atlanta
4. New Orleans
5. LA Rams
6. Carolina
7. Dallas
8. Green Bay (but they have Rodgers)
9. Seattle (but they have Wilson)
10. Detroit (Stafford, Patricia will help the defense)
11. San Fran (think they are going to surprise and contend next year)





The only nfc team worse, in my opinion, today is Washington.
How do you..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2018 2:00 pm : link
power rank partial rosters.

That's part of the problem. Solid rosters aren't going to save the Cowboys when Prescott is figured out and Zeke suspended. It won't save the Packers when their Rodgers reliant system is destroyed by an injury to Rodgers. It doesn't save a Lions team who had two games sway on controversial calls in a league where the margin of error isn't two games.
I cannot wait until we take our next franchise qb at #2  
NYSports1 : 3/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
And have that same feeling I had when we drafted Eli, the feeling that we were done with the Kanel,Brown, Graham era where we had no frachise qb since the Simms days. I want to have that again and know that each Sunday we have a shot because of the QB. We have not had that since 2011
And basically..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
by power ranking the rosters, you assume that the playoff teams will remain playoff teams, yet I'll point out once again that no playoffs has had less than 50% turnover in teams from year to year since the early 2000's. Not a single year.
RE: we need to hit on the next 2 - 3 drafts  
old man : 3/13/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13862083 markky said:
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to be a contender. it will take a while.

we should be drafting top 8 next year as well.


At least 6 years of poor drafting...with player exceptions of course...and misguided direction makes us more Brownslike than mediocre teams.
I have faith in DG and staff.
If we could only trade a player or 2 for even a 2nd /midround pick(s) where DG is strong..in this draft class...that wouldbe nice.
But JR left us barren there too.

RE: How do you..  
Breeze_94 : 3/13/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13862277 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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power rank partial rosters.

That's part of the problem. Solid rosters aren't going to save the Cowboys when Prescott is figured out and Zeke suspended. It won't save the Packers when their Rodgers reliant system is destroyed by an injury to Rodgers. It doesn't save a Lions team who had two games sway on controversial calls in a league where the margin of error isn't two games.


It's just simply saying those teams have better pieces right now. Sure, Rodgers could go down and Zeke could miss games or something crazy could happen- but you could say the same exact thing for the Giants. How bad are they if Odell gets injured again?
RE: Wow what a difference a day and Norwell not signing makes...  
giantsFC : 3/13/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13862095 JCin332 said:
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true.

But I also think most fans are relieved they team didn't splurge this guy. So many needs. Now if this was the offseason of 2017 as playoff contenders and they lost out on Norwell then I'd be pissed. Just like I was pissed they didnt' grab a quality lineman that offseason in the first place.
Norwell would have been a terrible signing at that money  
Vanzetti : 3/13/2018 2:37 pm : link
Might make sense for a team that thinks it is a legit contender the next 2-3 years, but makes no sense for a rebuilding team

And the only team that has rebuilt in two years and won a SB is the Eagles. And they did that by drafting a HOF quarterback in Wentz, who is a phenomenal talent.
RE: Norwell would have been a terrible signing at that money  
AcesUp : 3/13/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13862397 Vanzetti said:
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Might make sense for a team that thinks it is a legit contender the next 2-3 years, but makes no sense for a rebuilding team

And the only team that has rebuilt in two years and won a SB is the Eagles. And they did that by drafting a HOF quarterback in Wentz, who is a phenomenal talent.


Norwell would be in his prime in 2-3 years, signing him wouldn't say anything regarding their intentions.
Multi year rebuild  
Giantslifer : 3/13/2018 2:57 pm : link
Giants reality.
Years of bad drafts , SB years they were barely a .500 team and got last picks.
Eli is on last legs, maybe 1 1/2 years left.
Giants will most likely be drafting in top 1/3 of draft next year.
Not seeing any FA's running to NJ

Trade down , get all the picks they can in next 2 years. Don't do some half ass rebuild.
Outside of Collins, there is no one on this team anyone really wants.
When you  
joeinpa : 3/13/2018 3:01 pm : link
Miss in picks like Pugh, Richburg, maybe Flowers, it sets a franchise back.

Let s hope Gettleman does better
Can we see what happens in FA  
Beezer : 3/13/2018 3:05 pm : link
and the draft before we sound the death knell?
This is also not a 2 sec FA period  
Dave on the UWS : 3/13/2018 3:27 pm : link
DG wanted Norwell because he was familiar with him and it would be a heck of a start. I believe he has a plan in mind and will keep at it until he has put together an OL and DL line he can live with - at least for this year.
Anyone who thinks that he has said "we are going forward with Eli" for any reason other than stability for THIS year is nuts. It has nothing to do with trying to make a run. He knows this will take awhile and I'm sure Shurmur does too. He's been through this before.
RE: When you  
djm : 3/13/2018 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13862458 joeinpa said:
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Miss in picks like Pugh, Richburg, maybe Flowers, it sets a franchise back.

Let s hope Gettleman does better


We didnít miss on Pugh or richburg. They will sign second long term contracts.
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FStubbs : 3/13/2018 7:19 pm : link
In comment 13862060 The_Boss said:
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by 7 wins simply because of the new coach effect, but wow, 7 wins just looking at this roster alone seems like an impossibility.



Been saying this is a 5/6 win team next season since January. I'm not coming off that assertion.

It might actually be worse when you look deeper.


I'm there with you. We'll be picking in the top 5/top 10 again next year.
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