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The #Giants are expected to sign former #AZCardinals OLB Kareem Martin, source said, and his familiarity with new DC James Bettcher should help.
Good signing because he knows the defensive scheme we'll be employing this year. I didn't want to lose Kennard but I understand players move on and in during free agency.
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Kareem Martin is not flashy, but came into his own after adjusting to the 3-4 over his first three seasons. Could be a useful player for Giants, and he's also a heavy special teams guy.
People I had heard from in Arizona figured he was one of priorities to re-sign there.
You want a player on each side in this transition who knows the system and kniws the OC/DC and can be a center of gravity in the locker room.
Makes sense.
In long down and distance, if you move JPP to the front 3... you will start to have a variety of decent sized pass rushers. Attacking many varied ways. Conversely. If OV is not on the line I thought olb , but vs a bug run team, ilb at times.
I still target a blue chip nose type DT though. To free up smaller draft pick cover lbs behind them.
You want a player on each side in this transition who knows the system and kniws the OC/DC and can be a center of gravity in the locker room.
Makes sense.
In long down and distance, if you move JPP to the front 3... you will start to have a variety of decent sized pass rushers. Attacking many varied ways. Conversely. If OV is not on the line I thought olb , but vs a bug run team, ilb at times.
I still target a blue chip nose type DT though. To free up smaller draft pick cover lbs behind them.
It's becoming very clear this will be a 3-4 base team.
The pieces are there now
LB Martin Goodson Ogletree Vernon
DL JPP Harrison Tomlinson
I don't hate that front 7. Plus, the draft still to come. NEED depth, especially on the DL. Who is going to back-up Snacks- that is a big part of the rotation. A guy who will be playing about 40% of the snaps in the base D.
-Knows the defense
-Potential
-Extra Pass rusher NYG sorely needed behind Vernon and JPP
-Starter down the road?
When I went back to watch Bettchers Defense to get an idea on what his Defense will look like I noticed they used Martin in a variety of roles ranging from a stand up rusher to one of the two down lineman in certain packages. He has versatility that Bettcher likes.
just turned 26 years old, had his best season last year.
I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range
$4 per year for a backup? We'll see. His *best season* was 24 tackles and 1 sack. If his old D coordinator wants him here, he must have some value.
He started 10 games last year. And yea, 4 mil is probably on the lower side too. But thats the way the market is going. Backup/borderline starters are getting paid. He is young and ascending.
It's becoming very clear this will be a 3-4 base team.
The pieces are there now
LB Martin Goodson Ogletree Vernon
DL JPP Harrison Tomlinson
I don't hate that front 7. Plus, the draft still to come. NEED depth, especially on the DL. Who is going to back-up Snacks- that is a big part of the rotation. A guy who will be playing about 40% of the snaps in the base D.
41 total tackles, 10 assisted tackles, and 4.5 sacks. Not the picture of production, but maybe a change of scenery will help. Keep in mind it's most likely the same scheme he just came from.
Draft safety/lbs or even a larger zone savvy corner.
and a true NDT .
You can never have enough players who can INT... and no such thing as 'too big for DT' that's just silly. Too tall? OK, sometimes that happens. But too heavy? If the player can move, wheres the problem?
In that the olbs will be crashing down and attacking runs as well as passer, both inside and outside, and this player has more legit weight and power????
His stats say he played in all 16 games, but only had 24 total tackles (18 solo). Doesn't seem to be much for a starting LB. Kennard had 41 total tackles and missed a couple games with injuries.
I dont think Kareem is a boom or bust player -- I think he will be an impact player or just a solid player. His effort and football intelligence are not a question. His reaction time to what he sees and his ability to use his full athletic talent is. Add to that his lack of techniques when rushing the passer or stuffing the run and you have a player with enormous athletic talent that is not playing up to that athletic talent, but not from a lack of work ethic or intelligence. Kareem is the type of player who could sneak into the first round, but for me I think his LTI (length to impact) is long enough to suggest that he might not peak until his first contract is up.
but that seems like starter money. My expectation was that he'd be similar to Kennard, at that price I'd hope he's better than that. This would also make it appear the LB's are somewhat set.
I dont think Kareem is a boom or bust player -- I think he will be an impact player or just a solid player. His effort and football intelligence are not a question. His reaction time to what he sees and his ability to use his full athletic talent is. Add to that his lack of techniques when rushing the passer or stuffing the run and you have a player with enormous athletic talent that is not playing up to that athletic talent, but not from a lack of work ethic or intelligence. Kareem is the type of player who could sneak into the first round, but for me I think his LTI (length to impact) is long enough to suggest that he might not peak until his first contract is up.
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I concur. Nice post. I agree with that just by looking at his body, draft profile and NFL stats.
Seems big for LB but obviously Belcher knows him and knows he can play OLB and I'm assuming he's going to play some DE in 4-5 man fronts
If he can sit in the right spots in coverage his INT numbers can improve as he has the hands to catch those dumb passes over the middle QBs make so often when they get pressured
7.5 guaranteed would rank 28th among Outside Linebackers.
Not must to see here.
That's a fair point, I guess the question is whether they think he's just a solid middle of the pack LB or if he's got some untapped potential. Is he Bettcher's version of Kennard, or is he like one of those guys who rides the bench in Pittsburgh for 3 or 4 years and then breaks out with more playing time when the guy ahead of him leaves?
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The #Giants are expected to sign former #AZCardinals OLB Kareem Martin, source said, and his familiarity with new DC James Bettcher should help.
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The #Giants are expected to sign former #AZCardinals OLB Kareem Martin, source said, and his familiarity with new DC James Bettcher should help.
Lol well played
Yup.
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Kareem Martin is not flashy, but came into his own after adjusting to the 3-4 over his first three seasons. Could be a useful player for Giants, and he's also a heavy special teams guy.
People I had heard from in Arizona figured he was one of priorities to re-sign there.
Was a LB in college....North Carolina,a pretty good school for LBs!
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I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range
You gotta bet Avery Moss is heading that way too. OV could be as well.
I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range
$4 per year for a backup? We'll see. His *best season* was 24 tackles and 1 sack. If his old D coordinator wants him here, he must have some value.
Makes sense.
In long down and distance, if you move JPP to the front 3... you will start to have a variety of decent sized pass rushers. Attacking many varied ways. Conversely. If OV is not on the line I thought olb , but vs a bug run team, ilb at times.
I still target a blue chip nose type DT though. To free up smaller draft pick cover lbs behind them.
Makes sense.
In long down and distance, if you move JPP to the front 3... you will start to have a variety of decent sized pass rushers. Attacking many varied ways. Conversely. If OV is not on the line I thought olb , but vs a bug run team, ilb at times.
I still target a blue chip nose type DT though. To free up smaller draft pick cover lbs behind them.
Thank you, Confucious.
The pieces are there now
LB Martin Goodson Ogletree Vernon
DL JPP Harrison Tomlinson
This is likely a great signing.
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It's becoming very clear this will be a 3-4 base team.
The pieces are there now
LB Martin Goodson Ogletree Vernon
DL JPP Harrison Tomlinson
I don't hate that front 7. Plus, the draft still to come. NEED depth, especially on the DL. Who is going to back-up Snacks- that is a big part of the rotation. A guy who will be playing about 40% of the snaps in the base D.
-Potential
-Extra Pass rusher NYG sorely needed behind Vernon and JPP
-Starter down the road?
When I went back to watch Bettchers Defense to get an idea on what his Defense will look like I noticed they used Martin in a variety of roles ranging from a stand up rusher to one of the two down lineman in certain packages. He has versatility that Bettcher likes.
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just turned 26 years old, had his best season last year.
I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range
$4 per year for a backup? We'll see. His *best season* was 24 tackles and 1 sack. If his old D coordinator wants him here, he must have some value.
He started 10 games last year. And yea, 4 mil is probably on the lower side too. But thats the way the market is going. Backup/borderline starters are getting paid. He is young and ascending.
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Wanted him bad in the 2011 draft. Finally get him.
How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one
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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......
How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one
That, my good man - is what we call sarcasm.
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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......
How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one
He was kidding.
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It's becoming very clear this will be a 3-4 base team.
The pieces are there now
LB Martin Goodson Ogletree Vernon
DL JPP Harrison Tomlinson
I don't hate that front 7. Plus, the draft still to come. NEED depth, especially on the DL. Who is going to back-up Snacks- that is a big part of the rotation. A guy who will be playing about 40% of the snaps in the base D.
I'm hoping for Shaq Griffin in round 4.
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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......
How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one
I think (hope?) he was being facetious.
And not just to spell Harrison, though, to play next to him as well.
Dnadi smaller than target but forced fumbles show you a lot.
Philly signed Haloti Ngata and with their cap situation that may not allow them to sign Beau Allen
41 total tackles, 10 assisted tackles, and 4.5 sacks. Not the picture of production, but maybe a change of scenery will help. Keep in mind it's most likely the same scheme he just came from.
Draft safety/lbs or even a larger zone savvy corner.
and a true NDT .
You can never have enough players who can INT... and no such thing as 'too big for DT' that's just silly. Too tall? OK, sometimes that happens. But too heavy? If the player can move, wheres the problem?
I would not pay Kennard what Detroit did, but this is merely replacing a departed player with a cheaper player - nothing wrong with that
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Wanted him bad in the 2011 draft. Finally get him.
Eric, This is referring to Solder.
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He'll be overpaid, too old, too slow and too many other things I can't muster up to bitch about right now. Must just contain foaming at mouth......
How the fuck is he to old. For someone who spouts a lot of criticism to other posters you are way off on this one
Sarcasm bro
We did Casillas and J.T. Thomas in the same offeseason under Reese
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just turned 26 years old, had his best season last year.
I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range
$4 per year for a backup? We'll see. His *best season* was 24 tackles and 1 sack. If his old D coordinator wants him here, he must have some value.
at this point in time nobody on this team is a backup or starter they are all competing, except Solder....
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just turned 26 years old, had his best season last year.
I'm guessing its should be in the 4mil APY range
$4 per year for a backup? We'll see. His *best season* was 24 tackles and 1 sack. If his old D coordinator wants him here, he must have some value.
at this point in time nobody on this team is a backup or starter they are all competing, except Solder....
and OBJ, EE, LC, Snacks, OV, JJ.
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a big body DT after early cuts or even in late rounds of the draft or UDFA. I think that can be one of the cheaper options to fill for a backup.
Philly signed Haloti Ngata and with their cap situation that may not allow them to sign Beau Allen
Philly targeting Suh
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He had a really good game vs the Giants this year.
I'm hoping he continues to ascend, and becomes a 6-7 sack guy who plays the run very well. He already does a great job setting the edge.
OLB - Vernon, Martin, Moss (maybe some JPP/Okwara)
ILB - Ogletree, Goodson
I assume they'll add a couple other rookies along the way too.
Not must to see here.
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I dont think Kareem is a boom or bust player -- I think he will be an impact player or just a solid player. His effort and football intelligence are not a question. His reaction time to what he sees and his ability to use his full athletic talent is. Add to that his lack of techniques when rushing the passer or stuffing the run and you have a player with enormous athletic talent that is not playing up to that athletic talent, but not from a lack of work ethic or intelligence. Kareem is the type of player who could sneak into the first round, but for me I think his LTI (length to impact) is long enough to suggest that he might not peak until his first contract is up.
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I concur. Nice post. I agree with that just by looking at his body, draft profile and NFL stats.
Seems big for LB but obviously Belcher knows him and knows he can play OLB and I'm assuming he's going to play some DE in 4-5 man fronts
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a big body DT after early cuts or even in late rounds of the draft or UDFA. I think that can be one of the cheaper options to fill for a backup.
Philly signed Haloti Ngata and with their cap situation that may not allow them to sign Beau Allen
Philly targeting Suh
Suh next to Fletcher Cox would be dominant.
Not must to see here.
That's a fair point, I guess the question is whether they think he's just a solid middle of the pack LB or if he's got some untapped potential. Is he Bettcher's version of Kennard, or is he like one of those guys who rides the bench in Pittsburgh for 3 or 4 years and then breaks out with more playing time when the guy ahead of him leaves?