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The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get.
those guys are available every year because they aren't franchise QBs. It would be silly to think we can get by with a band aid to the QB position after Eli and not a future plan.
Like I said, I think we can win and by "win" I mean all the way. And, that's the most important to me. Beyond that, there's only so many bona fide franchsie QB's and just being your first pick doesn't mean that you're a franchise guy. And, there's nothing that screams (or even yells or talks a little loudly) franchise QB in 2018. But what does scream transcendent is a player at another area of need for us.
I don't think Eli is a factor in whether the Giants pick a QB or not Â
He is insurance for the time being, but we need a QB very soon and if after the Giants do their final assessment they will decide if any are worth the pick. Even if we didn't have a QB they would have to make that assessment. There is no question that we need a QB, maybe Webb is that guy but I am not so sure the GM would want someone else's opinion to decide the fate of the position because there is probably very little tape on him. If there is a QB they like they have to take him and not look back. If not they should try to trade the pick for more picks.
I don't want Barkley because I haven't seen a top RB win a championship for his team. They are a complimentary player. At 2 you need an all pro 10 year starter type and we are not just a th away from competing. I would rather the. Take Nelson because the odds of a guard lasting 10 years or more is much greater. Teams have proven time and time again that star tbs can be had in later rounds. Some QBs have been but it's a lot less likely.
I am of the opinion that Eli is done. The decline has started and he was not an elite QB coming down to above average, he is a good qb coming down to average at best. The problem I have with Eli at this point is that he is a terrible short range passer, always has been. I can't see him improving at his age. Aging QBs need to cut down on mistakes and gambles and be more of a game manager but Eli has been more of a long passer. Our last 5 years have been pretty bad aside from 2016 which was fools gold. It's time to move on.
My guess is that they like Webb but I doubt they are willing to put all their eggs in his basket just yet. He is not going to be a factor in drafting a QB or not. Look at SD with Brees many years ago. They still took a QB because they thought it was an upgrade.
Someone actually thinks the Giants can win the SB this year? Â
If you are hating on this signing, then you literally don't want The Org to have reputable players. Let's just go to war with the same roster who went 3-13 last year.
Guys like Norwell, Solder. Of course they won't singularly put us in the Super Bowl next season. The idea is they help the team rebound and grow in 2018. And because core players for the next NYG Contender, hopefully as soon as 2019.
Thrilly understands. It sucks that a guy like Nate Solder, who survived cancer and returned to play months later before his infant son was also diagnosed with cancer, earned a big contract. Impossible to root for a guy like that.
Dear Gettleman: please sign 1st Team All-Pro's in their early to mid 20s to league minimum salaries. Preferably guys without a family history of cancer. K thanks -- BBI dildos
RE: Someone actually thinks the Giants can win the SB this year? Â
If you look at any statistical measure, Eli has been a good but not great QB in the regular season throughout his career. He peaked around 2011 but even then he was not elite like his brother, Brady, or Rodgers.
The only stats where elite is elite is Super Bowl wins. He is a guy who raises his game in the playoffs. I would compare him to Claude Lemieux, a guy who was decent in the NHL regular seaslon but became the best player on the ice in the playoffs.
Most of his career Eli has been somewhere around the 8-12th best QB in the NFL. His career numbers are predicated on durability (very important for a QB), not because he was ever in a class with Brees or Peyton.
So, now he is probably the 12th best qb rather than the 7th or 8th. But he is still basically the same guy. Before, he was a bit overrated by Giants fans and we all would bristle when national media often failed to list Eli among the top QBs. Now, it has gone the other way, he is being undertated.
It is undeniable his game has declined a bit, but if you gave him the 2011 OL and Cruz and Nicks, he would still put numbers.
Put it this way. How many QB are entering their 15th year
of play. I'm a very big Eli fan, as a football player
and a man. I hope your 'take' on this is true.
But waiting on Eli and Webb is really gambling this year.
I remember YA Tittle, an older QB, who took the Giants
to 3 championships in a row, following year image is YA on his knees blood running down his face and the Giants beginning a generation of pain for Giant fans.
RE: RE: What were the other teams’ offers like for Solder? Â
I doubt DG/Giants outbid others by some crazy amount... 5-10% more, maybe?
If you need the guy then that’s what it takes.
Supposedly the Giants outbid the Texans and Patriots.
Reason I ask... when Giants signed Vernon, $85m seemed too high. If I remember right, it turned out that the Giants outbid the next highest by $5m, which is a very reasonable premium ($5m/$80m) to get the deal done.
1) I'd temper the expectations of Flowers playing RT. In today's NFL elite pass rushers line up on both sides, so if he can't play LT he probably can't play RT that much better.
2) Signing Solder, any of the moves this offseason and Eli being here have no impact on the #2 pick, nor should they.
3) Sure Eli might have a better year than last year but he's not going to be the guy from 2011. Could he be 2016 Eli? Sure, but father time is undefeated so the odds are he gets worse.
4) The Giants have as good of a shot of making the playoffs as they do of going 3-13 again. The NFL is year to year and anything can happen. We should be mad about signing a player that will not only help this year but next year as well. You offset the Solder deal by finding a franchise LT in the draft that lines up with when his contract is cuttable.
I didn't like this deal when it was announced... Â
but after looking at how the contract is structured, it seems like a good deal to me. It's essentially $10m this year, $17m next year and then $4m in dead cap for the final two years if he's cut. It's basically a 2-year contract where only one year is onerous. Giants didn't have another LT option in FA. Well done DG.
You guys are debating the contract. Of course we overpaid, thats how free agency works. Either you overpay or watch your guy play somewhere else. Its extremely rare that a guy wants to play for a team so bad he takes less than what everyone else is offering. When that team was in turmoil and 3-13 the previous year its even more rare.
Flowers improved a great deal last year as much as no one will admit it. The problem was all across the line, not just Flowers. So to determine he cant play RT either is a flawed analysis he is a young player and their is no reason to think that with multiple other positions across the line and a natural LT in place, a guard in the draft, and a better offense with better play calling that this team cant win now while continuing to rebuild the roster and improve our depth over time. A lot of you guys are very narrow minded.
If you are hating on this signing, then you literally don't want The Org to have reputable players. Let's just go to war with the same roster who went 3-13 last year.
Guys like Norwell, Solder. Of course they won't singularly put us in the Super Bowl next season. The idea is they help the team rebound and grow in 2018. And because core players for the next NYG Contender, hopefully as soon as 2019.
Thrilly understands. It sucks that a guy like Nate Solder, who survived cancer and returned to play months later before his infant son was also diagnosed with cancer, earned a big contract. Impossible to root for a guy like that.
Dear Gettleman: please sign 1st Team All-Pro's in their early to mid 20s to league minimum salaries. Preferably guys without a family history of cancer. K thanks -- BBI dildos
Using that logic, then the Giants have never made a mistake in overpaying any free agent they have signed since free agency began. Hell, re-signing JPP was a brilliant move!
that I prefer that we use free agency to fill a few big holes in the OL vs trying to patch it mostly via the draft. It is an extremely difficult position and finding free agents who have already proven themselves in this league is something I would prefer.
So, I am glad we got Solder.... or potentially signed him
Thats not the logic i used. I am not determining whether he or anyone else was a mistake, i am simply saying that either you outbid people or you dont get free agents and go into next season with the same holes and a few rookies
Also i think overpaying for a proven above average LT Â
is a lot smarter than overpaying for Norwell, despite the fact that Norwell is a better player at his position than Solder is. First, it is a lot easier to find a starting above average G in the draft on a rookie contract than it is to find a guy who can start at LT. Youre going to pay 12+ mil for a LT unless you get lucky in the draft no matter what. Paying 12+ mil for both a LT and a LG doesnt make any sense. Better to overpay the tackle and draft a guard taking into account the options available
Overpaying to get an "anchor" for the OL was inevitable. I don't like these huge contracts anymore than you do. I want to see the line when he's finished. I'm reserving my judgement until then. It seems like he has correctly evaluated the biggest disaster areas on the roster is OL and LB. If he can put together decent units within the cap room they had than you would have to say he's done a good job. It's not the worst contract I've ever seen either.
Available in the first 2 rounds of the draft who i would be comfortable probably starting games tomorrow. There is zero tackles available in this draft who I would be comfortable starting at LT next year. Im glad we overpaid for Solder instead of Norwell even though it was probably an accident
that I prefer that we use free agency to fill a few big holes in the OL vs trying to patch it mostly via the draft. It is an extremely difficult position and finding free agents who have already proven themselves in this league is something I would prefer.
So, I am glad we got Solder.... or potentially signed him
Im sorry but I disagree....If you are using FA to fill your teams Big Hole then that tells me the GM is terrible at Drafting...
Example- Reese was so bad at drafting OL-DL-CB that he needed to spend serious cash on DL-CB and now Gettleman OL
So, he's not using this FA as a way to cover up his shitty drafting - he's using this FA as a way to cover up Reese's.
Why does it matter where the player comes from?
You have to address certain holes one way or another.
If we drafted Damon Harrison, he'd probably still be here making what he's making now. (Well, maybe not given the way Reese treated the DT position.. but you get the idea)
Some of you guys are looking in the wrong direction.
It's not signing FA's that is the problem - it's drafting poorly.
We have a new GM because the last one had several poor drafts. Now Gettleman is going to have to up his hit% because you cannot rebuild and fix a football team if you blow your drafts.
that I prefer that we use free agency to fill a few big holes in the OL vs trying to patch it mostly via the draft. It is an extremely difficult position and finding free agents who have already proven themselves in this league is something I would prefer.
So, I am glad we got Solder.... or potentially signed him
Im sorry but I disagree....If you are using FA to fill your teams Big Hole then that tells me the GM is terrible at Drafting...
Example- Reese was so bad at drafting OL-DL-CB that he needed to spend serious cash on DL-CB and now Gettleman OL
lol, what?
It's really super weird that fans of this team would even try to have Â
the take that free agency is some kind of devil worship or fools gold. The entire Eli era was build on a rebuild around Plaxico Burress, McKenzie, O'hara, Pierce, Madison, etc.
Kerry Collins was a free agent pickup.
How many free agents were on the team that went to the super bowl against Baltimore?
For the people who think Tom Coughlin is the best thing to happen to this franchise and knows more about football than anyone, he just paid a Guard $13m a year.
He drafted several DT's that other teams felt were worth giving sizable 2nd contracts to and just drafted another one who is on the team now (Tomlinson)
He was also the one who drafted JPP.
Want to say that Reese was bad at drafting offensive linemen or linebackers? No argument there.
more players aren’t ready for the pros, more 1st round busts it seems (especially on the OL), but the cap keeps going up so who fucking cares?
DG isn’t responsible for a single player that is on the roster outside of the few he just signed and traded for. He’s going to pay money to upgrade certain positions and we are going to draft others which will hopefully turn into a better pipeline long term.
He drafted several DT's that other teams felt were worth giving sizable 2nd contracts to and just drafted another one who is on the team now (Tomlinson)
He was also the one who drafted JPP.
Want to say that Reese was bad at drafting offensive linemen or linebackers? No argument there.
Defensive linemen? Nope.
Agreed
They literally rolled from Fred Robbins to Barry Cofield to Linval Â
People complained that they wouldn't re-sign their DTs, but trusting your ability to draft replacements is a goldmine. If you can get that plug in and play DT every year, why would you pay out the nose to keep him?
RE: They literally rolled from Fred Robbins to Barry Cofield to Linval Â
People complained that they wouldn't re-sign their DTs, but trusting your ability to draft replacements is a goldmine. If you can get that plug in and play DT every year, why would you pay out the nose to keep him?
Exactly. Would be real nice if we could get a good cycle going on the OL too
Here's my bottom line with the Nate Solder deal... Â
...you make that kind of move for that kind of money if you really believe you are one or two key players/positions away from a serious run at the Super Bowl.
The Giants are trying to get out of the NFL basement, and paying mega-dollars for a 30-year old LT isn't the way to go IMO.
I've read on this thread about how Solder is here whether he's protecting Eli or a brand new QB.
I don't find that so reassuring.
Why?
Because maybe by the time Rosen/Darnold/Allen is ready for full-time play, Solder may be on his last legs.
We paid too much for one middle-aged guy when we need so many other guys for the long term.
the problem with that is they aren’t in the NFL basement. They played all of 2017 without their best player and under a coach who’s one of the biggest dolts I’ve ever seen in the sport. The wheels fell off from there and everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
We were 11-5 prior to that and there’s no reason we can’t go right back there, we see it happen every year.
So I disagree. Pay the LT, have a good draft, get your best player back, and get this team up to speed on the current trends of the league (our new HC and DC should be able to do this).
People here bitch that we don't pay attention to the OL. DG goes out and signs a solid LT, the most important position on the line, and guess what? PEOPLE STILL BITCH. I swear some of you will NEVER be happy. It's truly amazing.
but he's not actually an 8-win shift on his own. There are many reasons this team fell apart, and you can't just write them in for getting right back to playoffs contention because they fired the coach. Everything about this team is being changed. We should really manage expectations, especially when you're scrapping the entire scheme on both sides of the ball and everybody is starting from zero in terms of knowing what their job is.
Also, can we make it a prerequisite that when someone whines about asset allocation that they offer a viable alternative?
I'm so fucking tired of reading through post after post complaining about how we should use our cap dollars differently followed by zero insight or suggestion as to how or who that money would be better spent on.
but he's not actually an 8-win shift on his own. There are many reasons this team fell apart, and you can't just write them in for getting right back to playoffs contention because they fired the coach. Everything about this team is being changed. We should really manage expectations, especially when you're scrapping the entire scheme on both sides of the ball and everybody is starting from zero in terms of knowing what their job is.
No one said he was. But he’s certainly the biggest reason why we stunk last year, whether that’s a 2 or 3 game swing isn’t the point. Between him, the injuries elsewhere, the inability to sustain drives with a run game, and a defense that just stopped playing we found ourselves where we are now.
But McAdoos 1st season as HC was 11-5, rookie HCs are having a lot of success. There’s no reasons we can’t get back into the thick of things.
The Browns went 0-16 and with Thomas retiring, getting Solder would have been big for them too. They have no QB, and are in the actual basement, should they not try upgrade LT?
This notion that only contenders should spend in FA is just stupid.
Also, can we make it a prerequisite that when someone whines about asset allocation that they offer a viable alternative?
I'm so fucking tired of reading through post after post complaining about how we should use our cap dollars differently followed by zero insight or suggestion as to how or who that money would be better spent on.
I did that exact thing in 2016 and repeated it several times when asked. Didn't matter.
the problem with that is they aren’t in the NFL basement. They played all of 2017 without their best player and under a coach who’s one of the biggest dolts I’ve ever seen in the sport. The wheels fell off from there and everything that could go wrong did go wrong.
We were 11-5 prior to that and there’s no reason we can’t go right back there, we see it happen every year.
So I disagree. Pay the LT, have a good draft, get your best player back, and get this team up to speed on the current trends of the league (our new HC and DC should be able to do this).
Basement or playoffs? In the context of the last 5 years I see 2016's 11-5 record as an aberration. That's why I say we are more basement than playoff contender.
In any event, I'm with you... let's go out there and have a good draft!
Imo the only qb they would consider is Darnold. You can't be half pregnant. If you take a qb let him play and take his lumps. Its not like years ago where guys could sit. Once they committed to eli they committed to winning. They either take Barkley or accumulate more picks. This also gives Shurmers time to evaluate Webb. Make no mistake though the giants are going for it now
Going for what? We stink. 3-13 is no joke. Eli was terrible and was never a great QB despite 2 SB MVPs. He’s not his brother and was never a top tier guy. We need to be honest with ourselves and admit it. Love the guy, but he’s probably done. Draft a QB. Give Eli a year and move on. I hope this is the plan and you are wrong.
Also, can we make it a prerequisite that when someone whines about asset allocation that they offer a viable alternative?
I'm so fucking tired of reading through post after post complaining about how we should use our cap dollars differently followed by zero insight or suggestion as to how or who that money would be better spent on.
I did that exact thing in 2016 and repeated it several times when asked. Didn't matter.
It just gives the argument actual substance and gives it somewhere to go.
If you say "I don't like this signing - we could have spent better money elsewhere," but follow that up by saying "here's who I would have targeted instead," I may not agree with it, but I can at least see where you're going with it.
People constantly complain when the Giants spend money but don't serve up any other solutions. A lot of it seems like complaining just to complain.
I feel like discussions just don't go anywhere when people do that and I see it all the time.
Also, can we make it a prerequisite that when someone whines about asset allocation that they offer a viable alternative?
I'm so fucking tired of reading through post after post complaining about how we should use our cap dollars differently followed by zero insight or suggestion as to how or who that money would be better spent on.
I did that exact thing in 2016 and repeated it several times when asked. Didn't matter.
It just gives the argument actual substance and gives it somewhere to go.
If you say "I don't like this signing - we could have spent better money elsewhere," but follow that up by saying "here's who I would have targeted instead," I may not agree with it, but I can at least see where you're going with it.
People constantly complain when the Giants spend money but don't serve up any other solutions. A lot of it seems like complaining just to complain.
I feel like discussions just don't go anywhere when people do that and I see it all the time.
The Giants got destroyed for drafting poorly & flat out ignoring the line the last few years, and now signing a legitimate LT (toughest position to fill) is getting criticized. Maybe these same people bashed the Giants for not signing Whitworth last year.
I don't want Barkley because I haven't seen a top RB win a championship for his team. They are a complimentary player. At 2 you need an all pro 10 year starter type and we are not just a th away from competing. I would rather the. Take Nelson because the odds of a guard lasting 10 years or more is much greater. Teams have proven time and time again that star tbs can be had in later rounds. Some QBs have been but it's a lot less likely.
I am of the opinion that Eli is done. The decline has started and he was not an elite QB coming down to above average, he is a good qb coming down to average at best. The problem I have with Eli at this point is that he is a terrible short range passer, always has been. I can't see him improving at his age. Aging QBs need to cut down on mistakes and gambles and be more of a game manager but Eli has been more of a long passer. Our last 5 years have been pretty bad aside from 2016 which was fools gold. It's time to move on.
My guess is that they like Webb but I doubt they are willing to put all their eggs in his basket just yet. He is not going to be a factor in drafting a QB or not. Look at SD with Brees many years ago. They still took a QB because they thought it was an upgrade.
Guys like Norwell, Solder. Of course they won't singularly put us in the Super Bowl next season. The idea is they help the team rebound and grow in 2018. And because core players for the next NYG Contender, hopefully as soon as 2019.
Thrilly understands. It sucks that a guy like Nate Solder, who survived cancer and returned to play months later before his infant son was also diagnosed with cancer, earned a big contract. Impossible to root for a guy like that.
Dear Gettleman: please sign 1st Team All-Pro's in their early to mid 20s to league minimum salaries. Preferably guys without a family history of cancer. K thanks -- BBI dildos
Most people would say no. But can we make the playoffs? If so, then anything happens.
The only stats where elite is elite is Super Bowl wins. He is a guy who raises his game in the playoffs. I would compare him to Claude Lemieux, a guy who was decent in the NHL regular seaslon but became the best player on the ice in the playoffs.
Most of his career Eli has been somewhere around the 8-12th best QB in the NFL. His career numbers are predicated on durability (very important for a QB), not because he was ever in a class with Brees or Peyton.
So, now he is probably the 12th best qb rather than the 7th or 8th. But he is still basically the same guy. Before, he was a bit overrated by Giants fans and we all would bristle when national media often failed to list Eli among the top QBs. Now, it has gone the other way, he is being undertated.
It is undeniable his game has declined a bit, but if you gave him the 2011 OL and Cruz and Nicks, he would still put numbers.
Put it this way. How many QB are entering their 15th year
of play. I'm a very big Eli fan, as a football player
and a man. I hope your 'take' on this is true.
But waiting on Eli and Webb is really gambling this year.
I remember YA Tittle, an older QB, who took the Giants
to 3 championships in a row, following year image is YA on his knees blood running down his face and the Giants beginning a generation of pain for Giant fans.
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I doubt DG/Giants outbid others by some crazy amount... 5-10% more, maybe?
If you need the guy then that’s what it takes.
Supposedly the Giants outbid the Texans and Patriots.
Reason I ask... when Giants signed Vernon, $85m seemed too high. If I remember right, it turned out that the Giants outbid the next highest by $5m, which is a very reasonable premium ($5m/$80m) to get the deal done.
1) I'd temper the expectations of Flowers playing RT. In today's NFL elite pass rushers line up on both sides, so if he can't play LT he probably can't play RT that much better.
2) Signing Solder, any of the moves this offseason and Eli being here have no impact on the #2 pick, nor should they.
3) Sure Eli might have a better year than last year but he's not going to be the guy from 2011. Could he be 2016 Eli? Sure, but father time is undefeated so the odds are he gets worse.
4) The Giants have as good of a shot of making the playoffs as they do of going 3-13 again. The NFL is year to year and anything can happen. We should be mad about signing a player that will not only help this year but next year as well. You offset the Solder deal by finding a franchise LT in the draft that lines up with when his contract is cuttable.
Flowers improved a great deal last year as much as no one will admit it. The problem was all across the line, not just Flowers. So to determine he cant play RT either is a flawed analysis he is a young player and their is no reason to think that with multiple other positions across the line and a natural LT in place, a guard in the draft, and a better offense with better play calling that this team cant win now while continuing to rebuild the roster and improve our depth over time. A lot of you guys are very narrow minded.
Yeah, that's making me slightly nervous.
Guys like Norwell, Solder. Of course they won't singularly put us in the Super Bowl next season. The idea is they help the team rebound and grow in 2018. And because core players for the next NYG Contender, hopefully as soon as 2019.
Thrilly understands. It sucks that a guy like Nate Solder, who survived cancer and returned to play months later before his infant son was also diagnosed with cancer, earned a big contract. Impossible to root for a guy like that.
Dear Gettleman: please sign 1st Team All-Pro's in their early to mid 20s to league minimum salaries. Preferably guys without a family history of cancer. K thanks -- BBI dildos
LOL, perfect.
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still hasn't been announced by the team.
Yeah, that's making me slightly nervous.
I saw another tweet saying he's en route to the Giants facility. We'll see.
So, I am glad we got Solder.... or potentially signed him
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still hasn't been announced by the team.
Yeah, that's making me slightly nervous.
I saw another tweet saying he's en route to the Giants facility. We'll see.
Sweet. Last thing I need to see today is a Josh McDaniels'-esque reneg on this deal.
The only thing holding me back from "believe" to "know" is my disdain for Erick Flowers...
So, I am glad we got Solder.... or potentially signed him
Im sorry but I disagree....If you are using FA to fill your teams Big Hole then that tells me the GM is terrible at Drafting...
Example- Reese was so bad at drafting OL-DL-CB that he needed to spend serious cash on DL-CB and now Gettleman OL
So, he's not using this FA as a way to cover up his shitty drafting - he's using this FA as a way to cover up Reese's.
Why does it matter where the player comes from?
You have to address certain holes one way or another.
If we drafted Damon Harrison, he'd probably still be here making what he's making now. (Well, maybe not given the way Reese treated the DT position.. but you get the idea)
Some of you guys are looking in the wrong direction.
It's not signing FA's that is the problem - it's drafting poorly.
We have a new GM because the last one had several poor drafts. Now Gettleman is going to have to up his hit% because you cannot rebuild and fix a football team if you blow your drafts.
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that I prefer that we use free agency to fill a few big holes in the OL vs trying to patch it mostly via the draft. It is an extremely difficult position and finding free agents who have already proven themselves in this league is something I would prefer.
So, I am glad we got Solder.... or potentially signed him
Im sorry but I disagree....If you are using FA to fill your teams Big Hole then that tells me the GM is terrible at Drafting...
Example- Reese was so bad at drafting OL-DL-CB that he needed to spend serious cash on DL-CB and now Gettleman OL
lol, what?
Kerry Collins was a free agent pickup.
How many free agents were on the team that went to the super bowl against Baltimore?
For the people who think Tom Coughlin is the best thing to happen to this franchise and knows more about football than anyone, he just paid a Guard $13m a year.
He drafted several DT's that other teams felt were worth giving sizable 2nd contracts to and just drafted another one who is on the team now (Tomlinson)
He was also the one who drafted JPP.
Want to say that Reese was bad at drafting offensive linemen or linebackers? No argument there.
Defensive linemen? Nope.
DG isn’t responsible for a single player that is on the roster outside of the few he just signed and traded for. He’s going to pay money to upgrade certain positions and we are going to draft others which will hopefully turn into a better pipeline long term.
It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp.
He drafted several DT's that other teams felt were worth giving sizable 2nd contracts to and just drafted another one who is on the team now (Tomlinson)
He was also the one who drafted JPP.
Want to say that Reese was bad at drafting offensive linemen or linebackers? No argument there.
Defensive linemen? Nope.
Agreed
People complained that they wouldn't re-sign their DTs, but trusting your ability to draft replacements is a goldmine. If you can get that plug in and play DT every year, why would you pay out the nose to keep him?
People complained that they wouldn't re-sign their DTs, but trusting your ability to draft replacements is a goldmine. If you can get that plug in and play DT every year, why would you pay out the nose to keep him?
Exactly. Would be real nice if we could get a good cycle going on the OL too
...you make that kind of move for that kind of money if you really believe you are one or two key players/positions away from a serious run at the Super Bowl.
The Giants are trying to get out of the NFL basement, and paying mega-dollars for a 30-year old LT isn't the way to go IMO.
I've read on this thread about how Solder is here whether he's protecting Eli or a brand new QB.
I don't find that so reassuring.
Why?
Because maybe by the time Rosen/Darnold/Allen is ready for full-time play, Solder may be on his last legs.
We paid too much for one middle-aged guy when we need so many other guys for the long term.
Neverending complaints about how we don't have a real left tackle. How our offensive line has been ignored for years.
Then we sign the best tackle on the market, and people are still upset about it.
How exactly are we supposed to fix this line? We have other needs too, we can't just spend our entire draft on offensive linemen.
I really don't know what some of you guys want.
You have to start somewhere. The Giants' offensive line is better today than it was yesterday. That's the bottom line.
We were 11-5 prior to that and there’s no reason we can’t go right back there, we see it happen every year.
So I disagree. Pay the LT, have a good draft, get your best player back, and get this team up to speed on the current trends of the league (our new HC and DC should be able to do this).
I'm so fucking tired of reading through post after post complaining about how we should use our cap dollars differently followed by zero insight or suggestion as to how or who that money would be better spent on.
No one said he was. But he’s certainly the biggest reason why we stunk last year, whether that’s a 2 or 3 game swing isn’t the point. Between him, the injuries elsewhere, the inability to sustain drives with a run game, and a defense that just stopped playing we found ourselves where we are now.
But McAdoos 1st season as HC was 11-5, rookie HCs are having a lot of success. There’s no reasons we can’t get back into the thick of things.
The Browns went 0-16 and with Thomas retiring, getting Solder would have been big for them too. They have no QB, and are in the actual basement, should they not try upgrade LT?
This notion that only contenders should spend in FA is just stupid.
I'm so fucking tired of reading through post after post complaining about how we should use our cap dollars differently followed by zero insight or suggestion as to how or who that money would be better spent on.
I did that exact thing in 2016 and repeated it several times when asked. Didn't matter.
We were 11-5 prior to that and there’s no reason we can’t go right back there, we see it happen every year.
So I disagree. Pay the LT, have a good draft, get your best player back, and get this team up to speed on the current trends of the league (our new HC and DC should be able to do this).
Basement or playoffs? In the context of the last 5 years I see 2016's 11-5 record as an aberration. That's why I say we are more basement than playoff contender.
In any event, I'm with you... let's go out there and have a good draft!
Going for what? We stink. 3-13 is no joke. Eli was terrible and was never a great QB despite 2 SB MVPs. He’s not his brother and was never a top tier guy. We need to be honest with ourselves and admit it. Love the guy, but he’s probably done. Draft a QB. Give Eli a year and move on. I hope this is the plan and you are wrong.
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Also, can we make it a prerequisite that when someone whines about asset allocation that they offer a viable alternative?
I'm so fucking tired of reading through post after post complaining about how we should use our cap dollars differently followed by zero insight or suggestion as to how or who that money would be better spent on.
I did that exact thing in 2016 and repeated it several times when asked. Didn't matter.
It just gives the argument actual substance and gives it somewhere to go.
If you say "I don't like this signing - we could have spent better money elsewhere," but follow that up by saying "here's who I would have targeted instead," I may not agree with it, but I can at least see where you're going with it.
People constantly complain when the Giants spend money but don't serve up any other solutions. A lot of it seems like complaining just to complain.
I feel like discussions just don't go anywhere when people do that and I see it all the time.
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Also, can we make it a prerequisite that when someone whines about asset allocation that they offer a viable alternative?
I'm so fucking tired of reading through post after post complaining about how we should use our cap dollars differently followed by zero insight or suggestion as to how or who that money would be better spent on.
I did that exact thing in 2016 and repeated it several times when asked. Didn't matter.
It just gives the argument actual substance and gives it somewhere to go.
If you say "I don't like this signing - we could have spent better money elsewhere," but follow that up by saying "here's who I would have targeted instead," I may not agree with it, but I can at least see where you're going with it.
People constantly complain when the Giants spend money but don't serve up any other solutions. A lot of it seems like complaining just to complain.
I feel like discussions just don't go anywhere when people do that and I see it all the time.
Agree 1000%