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The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get.
and still isn't. I don't care how well he played. You're also not guaranteed to die if you shoot yourself in the lung, that doesn't mean you should take the chance.
and still isn't. I don't care how well he played. You're also not guaranteed to die if you shoot yourself in the lung, that doesn't mean you should take the chance.
that I prefer that we use free agency to fill a few big holes in the OL vs trying to patch it mostly via the draft. It is an extremely difficult position and finding free agents who have already proven themselves in this league is something I would prefer.
So, I am glad we got Solder.... or potentially signed him
Im sorry but I disagree....If you are using FA to fill your teams Big Hole then that tells me the GM is terrible at Drafting...
Example- Reese was so bad at drafting OL-DL-CB that he needed to spend serious cash on DL-CB and now Gettleman OL
Are you blaming Gettleman for our OL problems? It sounds like it with your comparison ... unless you are saying that Gettleman has to spend money on the OL because of Reese?
RE: Signing a 36 year old tackle to years and money wasn't a good idea Â
and still isn't. I don't care how well he played. You're also not guaranteed to die if you shoot yourself in the lung, that doesn't mean you should take the chance.
People here bitch that we don't pay attention to the OL. DG goes out and signs a solid LT, the most important position on the line, and guess what? PEOPLE STILL BITCH. I swear some of you will NEVER be happy. It's truly amazing.
You see, they want good players, but they want them to all play for free.
..and most of them are 10 years behind the times on player salaries.
As much as I wanted Norwell, it's not like they didn't try. Â
is a big fan of the Solder to Giants. Link - ( New Window )
Couldn't believe what I was hearing last bight on TV. Charlie Casserly was a NY Giants fan as a kid. It was on some show and they were discussing free agency money and what folks would do with it (after taking care of family, etc...).
CC says "I would buy all the 1956 Giant's Football cards - the entire team" and then proceeded to mention Frank Gifford, Rosie Grier, (and about 4-5 other players).... I couldn't believe it. I thought he was a Dallas guy.
"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
Why won’t he last more than 2 years? So many stupid comments here, it’s unreal.
Yeah why not 1 year? Or no years?
This place is incredible.
Seriously he’s only 30, so many idiots here.
30 ... my bad thought he was 32. Okay so that is a little bit younger but, saying we found our franchise LT. at this point in his career is a bit of a stretch. I guess it could depend on the position but, I figure you need to play for a team (on the OL in this case) for about 7-8 years to be considered a franchise anything (QBs longer).
Not saying I don't like the signing. I just think it is a stop gap move. Could be a longer than usual stop gap but, we will see.
Right now I'll take 3-4 years of competent LT play. Â
You don't know much about football do you? Eli was never top tier? He's a hall of fame. Anyway, I'm telling you I believe eli has good football left. Well see. He'll have a chance to shut you up this year
"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
Why won’t he last more than 2 years? So many stupid comments here, it’s unreal.
Yeah why not 1 year? Or no years?
This place is incredible.
Seriously he’s only 30, so many idiots here.
30 ... my bad thought he was 32. Okay so that is a little bit younger but, saying we found our franchise LT. at this point in his career is a bit of a stretch. I guess it could depend on the position but, I figure you need to play for a team (on the OL in this case) for about 7-8 years to be considered a franchise anything (QBs longer).
Not saying I don't like the signing. I just think it is a stop gap move. Could be a longer than usual stop gap but, we will see.
Actually the other thing I like about this signing is it hastens the move to another position of Flowers. I doubt they will make Solder play somewhere else on the OL? Lets see what Flower can do at RT ... or (I would prefer he gets moved to) guard. I think he will make an excellent guard eventually.
I don't think he was ever a top 5 guy. Look at the era he played in and who the other QBs were around the league. We might look back on 2004 to 2015 as a golden age for QB play. You can love the guy and be honest that he's simply not Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rodgers.
I don't think he was ever a top 5 guy. Look at the era he played in and who the other QBs were around the league. We might look back on 2004 to 2015 as a golden age for QB play. You can love the guy and be honest that he's simply not Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rodgers.
He was certainly top 10.
Absolutely. And was there, EVERY game. And had a penchant for winning it in the closing minutes by being fearless.
Eli Manning was a franchise QB, and a outstanding draft choice.
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At least they got someone who can play. I just don't know what to take from this as regards the draft.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
Norwell's four years younger. You can build around that.
Solder isn't ancient by any stretch, but signing a guy like that suggests to me they are leaning more heavily toward moves that make the team competitive in the short term rather than laying the foundation for the long term. I don't think you sign a guy at 30 if you're working on plan that you expect to return to meaningful games and consistent winning in two years.
At least they got someone who can play. I just don't know what to take from this as regards the draft.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
Norwell's four years younger. You can build around that.
Solder isn't ancient by any stretch, but signing a guy like that suggests to me they are leaning more heavily toward moves that make the team competitive in the short term rather than laying the foundation for the long term. I don't think you sign a guy at 30 if you're working on plan that you expect to return to meaningful games and consistent winning in two years.
What’s the difference between Solder playing solid LT for 4 years and Norwells contract expiring after 5? 1 year means our entire thought process at OL changes?
I just don’t get this line of thinking. We didn’t sign a 35 year old tackle . We signed a guy who can help us now and 2 years from now.
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At least they got someone who can play. I just don't know what to take from this as regards the draft.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
Norwell's four years younger. You can build around that.
Solder isn't ancient by any stretch, but signing a guy like that suggests to me they are leaning more heavily toward moves that make the team competitive in the short term rather than laying the foundation for the long term. I don't think you sign a guy at 30 if you're working on plan that you expect to return to meaningful games and consistent winning in two years.
What’s the difference between Solder playing solid LT for 4 years and Norwells contract expiring after 5? 1 year means our entire thought process at OL changes?
I just don’t get this line of thinking. We didn’t sign a 35 year old tackle . We signed a guy who can help us now and 2 years from now.
Exactly.
Plus, you continue to try to develop guys that can possibly step in and succeed.
And remember, OL's generally play longer than other positions in regards to age. Not a rule, but there's some history there.
Serious progress in repairing the Giants has been made. I did not believe that would be possible during the horror of last season. I am very happy to have been wrong about that. These FA threads have been super-informative and, well, have restored my confidence in the team's future.
RE: RE: RE: RE: As much as I wanted Norwell, it's not like they didn't try. Â
At least they got someone who can play. I just don't know what to take from this as regards the draft.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
Norwell's four years younger. You can build around that.
Solder isn't ancient by any stretch, but signing a guy like that suggests to me they are leaning more heavily toward moves that make the team competitive in the short term rather than laying the foundation for the long term. I don't think you sign a guy at 30 if you're working on plan that you expect to return to meaningful games and consistent winning in two years.
What’s the difference between Solder playing solid LT for 4 years and Norwells contract expiring after 5? 1 year means our entire thought process at OL changes?
I just don’t get this line of thinking. We didn’t sign a 35 year old tackle . We signed a guy who can help us now and 2 years from now.
The difference is maximizing the use of the player while he's in his best years. You sign a guy at 30, you don't sit around. There are expectations and rightfully so. A younger player does buy you a bit of time to construct a roster. And if you are actively trying to win now, there's plenty of argument for kicking the QB need can further down the road. If that's their plan, which I have no idea about, I don't think that's wise.
to put together a line that could pass block, despite its being the highest priority for the last three or even four years.
The last two seasons it's not an exaggeration that Eli often had two seconds to get rid of the ball. When OBJ was playing, Eli looked for him first and in the limited time he had he would throw it to OBJ, even if he was triple covered. Beckham was good enough to catch difficult passes and do something with the ball.
Last year no Beckham, no offense.
Reese embarrassed Eli by forcing him, one of the least mobile quarterbacks, to have to play with the weakest line. His rep has been permanently damaged.
If you have a mobile quarterback, poor pass protection is not as big a disaster. The QB can dodge a blitzer (saw enough of them sidestepping Giants' rushes last year) and when he leaves the pocket he's a threat to pull the ball down and run. Not that you want your QB to run the ball, but the threat of a run, as we have seen many times, causes the secondary to hesitate, not knowing whether to stick with the receiver or come up to stop the possible run.
If this team really intends to bring Eli back next season, there would no hope unless the blocking improved. And there is still a lot of work to do.
a #1 TE, and now the highest paid Left Tackle in the game.
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
RE: Right now I'll take 3-4 years of competent LT play. Â
a #1 TE, and now the highest paid Left Tackle in the game.
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
Another piece or two to upgrade the OL. A 3rd WR, and a HC/OC who can put a good game plan in place along with changing personnel so they don't have the same guys on the field 90% of the time. Oh and some NFL quality play calling would help too.
You don't know much about football do you? Eli was never top tier? He's a hall of fame. Anyway, I'm telling you I believe eli has good football left. Well see. He'll have a chance to shut you up this year
Thank god you didn't say he is going to eat crow. You said that 4-5 times in the same thread earlier today. We get it. You love Eli.
Top tier implies a top 5 QB. Outside of 2011 (My favorite season in 20 years as a fan due to the brilliance of Eli), Eli never reached that level. From 2008-2012 he was a top ten/fringe top 10 QB. But that was a long time ago.
I agree he deserves the HOF at some point, but you continue to act like he hasn't aged and he is still the same player he was in his prime. He was well below average in 2016 (27th in QBR) and was atrocious last year. It is what it is. He is over the hill. We should be looking to the long term options at QB.
a #1 TE, and now the highest paid Left Tackle in the game.
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
a #1 TE, and now the highest paid Left Tackle in the game.
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
An all-pro running back.
Disagree with me if you want but, if we add Barkley (I admit he never played 1 down in the NFL) in the draft, think about this line up.
Eli (admittedly getting close to the end. OL has got to be built fast and furiously). If he has protection, I believe he can still do it but, they would have to be in the SB in 2020.
Saquon Barkley - Never played a down in the NFL but, if he lives up to his billing .....?
Engram - looked very good as a rookie.
and last but not least - Odell.
In 2 years that line-up (plus throw in a few more unexpected/hidden gems accumulated along the way) ...that line-up will scare defenses
I also haven't posted this in awhile so this is just for you jt Â
I said it multiple times just because people like you keep saying the same things to me. I get it you and others think he's declined. Actual nfl people don't think he has not do I. Believe it or not your entitled to your opinion but you will see you are wrong imo. Dont be a hypocrite. You attack me for stating my opinion yet its ok for people like you to state he's regressed as fact. Your a hypocrite. That's a fact
I have spoken to scouts and an analyst of people in the league who all agree eli has good ball left. Go watch the tape of the packet playoff game. Go count how many people he played with most of last year due to injuries. Most won't even be in the league next year. I get it you think he's done. I don't. I'm pretty confident the giants don't. Well see but when he plays well this year man up and admit your wrong
Its ok to disagree. Either way he's our qb for at least this year. Its fair to say well see who's right. I stand by my opinion and in not alone. Neither are you. Well see
I said it multiple times just because people like you keep saying the same things to me. I get it you and others think he's declined. Actual nfl people don't think he has not do I. Believe it or not your entitled to your opinion but you will see you are wrong imo. Dont be a hypocrite. You attack me for stating my opinion yet its ok for people like you to state he's regressed as fact. Your a hypocrite. That's a fact
Look, I apologize for coming at you so strongly. You and I have never debated this like I have with Britt and others in your corner. Do you really believe that Eli has not declined as a player? Yes, the front office has dealt him a poor hand in recent years, but he no longer has the ability to elevate players around him.
In spite of the fact that he has always been frustratingly turnover prone, he used to sling the ball all over the field with authority. He also used to have great pocket awareness.
Now he is seeing ghosts and has lost his intermediate/deep ball accuracy. He got sacked in week 2 this year against the Lions without getting touched.
He may still look young, but he plays old. I know it is hard to let go of a franchise legend, but it is in the best interest of this franchise to select a QB for the future, even if they are trying to win in 2018.
Fair enough. I respect your opinion. I agree he sees ghosts now but I also really believe he has more left than most. Well see. This off-season is unique as the fan base in general is largely divided on multiple fronts
One question. What if they take a qb but your wrong? What if we win games and eli plays well? Are you comfortable with a kid sitting 2 years? If Mara didn't cut eli now would he really cut him off a good year? To me That's something that needs serious discussion. The 2nd pick in the draft can't sit for 2 years imo
a #1 TE, and now the highest paid Left Tackle in the game.
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
Another piece or two to upgrade the OL. A 3rd WR, and a HC/OC who can put a good game plan in place along with changing personnel so they don't have the same guys on the field 90% of the time. Oh and some NFL quality play calling would help too.
anything else? are you sure he doesn't need some more pieces to succeed??
One question. What if they take a qb but your wrong? What if we win games and eli plays well? Are you comfortable with a kid sitting 2 years? If Mara didn't cut eli now would he really cut him off a good year? To me That's something that needs serious discussion. The 2nd pick in the draft can't sit for 2 years imo
i wouldn't worry too much about this scenario...
Let me know when time helped a 38 year old QB to start playing well...
Are all in their twilight as well....and can lead their teams
Age is not what it used to be....
Eli definitely has not trusted the OL. He has gotten gun-shy and needs to overcome his happy feet.
But I totally believe Eli still can deliver the goods. He was the best player on the field in that last playoff game. He can still sling it. I think they lead the league in dropped passes.
Give him protection.....we will start scoring again.
And, it seems people are missing this, he can block for Eli, Webb, or a potential 1st round draft pick.
Signing Solder doesn't mean the Giants are loading up for another run with Eli.
It just means they stabilized a position that would have been very hard to solve via the draft.
And they can still develop a LT while Solder holds down the fort.
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He isn’t 36, actually not even close to it.
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that I prefer that we use free agency to fill a few big holes in the OL vs trying to patch it mostly via the draft. It is an extremely difficult position and finding free agents who have already proven themselves in this league is something I would prefer.
So, I am glad we got Solder.... or potentially signed him
Im sorry but I disagree....If you are using FA to fill your teams Big Hole then that tells me the GM is terrible at Drafting...
Example- Reese was so bad at drafting OL-DL-CB that he needed to spend serious cash on DL-CB and now Gettleman OL
Are you blaming Gettleman for our OL problems? It sounds like it with your comparison ... unless you are saying that Gettleman has to spend money on the OL because of Reese?
Wait, who’s 36?
"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
That's who TTH is referring to.
I thought it would be a horrible move.
But by years end.....i regreted Reese not even trying.
"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
Why won’t he last more than 2 years? So many stupid comments here, it’s unreal.
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"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
Why won’t he last more than 2 years? So many stupid comments here, it’s unreal.
Yeah why not 1 year? Or no years?
This place is incredible.
LOL!!!!!
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"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
Why won’t he last more than 2 years? So many stupid comments here, it’s unreal.
Yeah why not 1 year? Or no years?
This place is incredible.
Seriously he’s only 30, so many idiots here.
You see, they want good players, but they want them to all play for free.
..and most of them are 10 years behind the times on player salaries.
Couldn't believe what I was hearing last bight on TV. Charlie Casserly was a NY Giants fan as a kid. It was on some show and they were discussing free agency money and what folks would do with it (after taking care of family, etc...).
CC says "I would buy all the 1956 Giant's Football cards - the entire team" and then proceeded to mention Frank Gifford, Rosie Grier, (and about 4-5 other players).... I couldn't believe it. I thought he was a Dallas guy.
LOL!!!!!
okay you made me laugh arc ....
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"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
Why won’t he last more than 2 years? So many stupid comments here, it’s unreal.
Yeah why not 1 year? Or no years?
This place is incredible.
Seriously he’s only 30, so many idiots here.
30 ... my bad thought he was 32. Okay so that is a little bit younger but, saying we found our franchise LT. at this point in his career is a bit of a stretch. I guess it could depend on the position but, I figure you need to play for a team (on the OL in this case) for about 7-8 years to be considered a franchise anything (QBs longer).
Not saying I don't like the signing. I just think it is a stop gap move. Could be a longer than usual stop gap but, we will see.
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"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
Why won’t he last more than 2 years? So many stupid comments here, it’s unreal.
Yeah why not 1 year? Or no years?
This place is incredible.
Seriously he’s only 30, so many idiots here.
30 ... my bad thought he was 32. Okay so that is a little bit younger but, saying we found our franchise LT. at this point in his career is a bit of a stretch. I guess it could depend on the position but, I figure you need to play for a team (on the OL in this case) for about 7-8 years to be considered a franchise anything (QBs longer).
Not saying I don't like the signing. I just think it is a stop gap move. Could be a longer than usual stop gap but, we will see.
Actually the other thing I like about this signing is it hastens the move to another position of Flowers. I doubt they will make Solder play somewhere else on the OL? Lets see what Flower can do at RT ... or (I would prefer he gets moved to) guard. I think he will make an excellent guard eventually.
He was certainly top 10.
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"The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get."
At his age it is a stop gap move at best ... not saying that Solder won't be productive at all but, "Franchise Left Tackle"?
2 years tops - he lasts.
Why won’t he last more than 2 years? So many stupid comments here, it’s unreal.
Yeah why not 1 year? Or no years?
This place is incredible.
I am going to have to "google" that Uconn but, I don't think you can sign a player to no years.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
He was certainly top 10.
Absolutely. And was there, EVERY game. And had a penchant for winning it in the closing minutes by being fearless.
Eli Manning was a franchise QB, and a outstanding draft choice.
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At least they got someone who can play. I just don't know what to take from this as regards the draft.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
Norwell's four years younger. You can build around that.
Solder isn't ancient by any stretch, but signing a guy like that suggests to me they are leaning more heavily toward moves that make the team competitive in the short term rather than laying the foundation for the long term. I don't think you sign a guy at 30 if you're working on plan that you expect to return to meaningful games and consistent winning in two years.
I know Reese liked him back in the draft also.
Flowers as a sub par RT or G is much less deadly to Eli and our success , our OLine is getting stronger.
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At least they got someone who can play. I just don't know what to take from this as regards the draft.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
Norwell's four years younger. You can build around that.
Solder isn't ancient by any stretch, but signing a guy like that suggests to me they are leaning more heavily toward moves that make the team competitive in the short term rather than laying the foundation for the long term. I don't think you sign a guy at 30 if you're working on plan that you expect to return to meaningful games and consistent winning in two years.
What’s the difference between Solder playing solid LT for 4 years and Norwells contract expiring after 5? 1 year means our entire thought process at OL changes?
I just don’t get this line of thinking. We didn’t sign a 35 year old tackle . We signed a guy who can help us now and 2 years from now.
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At least they got someone who can play. I just don't know what to take from this as regards the draft.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
Norwell's four years younger. You can build around that.
Solder isn't ancient by any stretch, but signing a guy like that suggests to me they are leaning more heavily toward moves that make the team competitive in the short term rather than laying the foundation for the long term. I don't think you sign a guy at 30 if you're working on plan that you expect to return to meaningful games and consistent winning in two years.
What’s the difference between Solder playing solid LT for 4 years and Norwells contract expiring after 5? 1 year means our entire thought process at OL changes?
I just don’t get this line of thinking. We didn’t sign a 35 year old tackle . We signed a guy who can help us now and 2 years from now.
Exactly.
Plus, you continue to try to develop guys that can possibly step in and succeed.
And remember, OL's generally play longer than other positions in regards to age. Not a rule, but there's some history there.
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At least they got someone who can play. I just don't know what to take from this as regards the draft.
Hammer, what is your concern with this signing in regards to the draft?
We can go in any direction.............how would signing Norwell had given you a different vision?
Norwell's four years younger. You can build around that.
Solder isn't ancient by any stretch, but signing a guy like that suggests to me they are leaning more heavily toward moves that make the team competitive in the short term rather than laying the foundation for the long term. I don't think you sign a guy at 30 if you're working on plan that you expect to return to meaningful games and consistent winning in two years.
What’s the difference between Solder playing solid LT for 4 years and Norwells contract expiring after 5? 1 year means our entire thought process at OL changes?
I just don’t get this line of thinking. We didn’t sign a 35 year old tackle . We signed a guy who can help us now and 2 years from now.
The difference is maximizing the use of the player while he's in his best years. You sign a guy at 30, you don't sit around. There are expectations and rightfully so. A younger player does buy you a bit of time to construct a roster. And if you are actively trying to win now, there's plenty of argument for kicking the QB need can further down the road. If that's their plan, which I have no idea about, I don't think that's wise.
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Sounds like he thinks Solder will be a.... short lease.
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okay you made me laugh arc ....
I aim to please!
The last two seasons it's not an exaggeration that Eli often had two seconds to get rid of the ball. When OBJ was playing, Eli looked for him first and in the limited time he had he would throw it to OBJ, even if he was triple covered. Beckham was good enough to catch difficult passes and do something with the ball.
Last year no Beckham, no offense.
Reese embarrassed Eli by forcing him, one of the least mobile quarterbacks, to have to play with the weakest line. His rep has been permanently damaged.
If you have a mobile quarterback, poor pass protection is not as big a disaster. The QB can dodge a blitzer (saw enough of them sidestepping Giants' rushes last year) and when he leaves the pocket he's a threat to pull the ball down and run. Not that you want your QB to run the ball, but the threat of a run, as we have seen many times, causes the secondary to hesitate, not knowing whether to stick with the receiver or come up to stop the possible run.
If this team really intends to bring Eli back next season, there would no hope unless the blocking improved. And there is still a lot of work to do.
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
Nothing at all ....
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
Another piece or two to upgrade the OL. A 3rd WR, and a HC/OC who can put a good game plan in place along with changing personnel so they don't have the same guys on the field 90% of the time. Oh and some NFL quality play calling would help too.
Thank god you didn't say he is going to eat crow. You said that 4-5 times in the same thread earlier today. We get it. You love Eli.
Top tier implies a top 5 QB. Outside of 2011 (My favorite season in 20 years as a fan due to the brilliance of Eli), Eli never reached that level. From 2008-2012 he was a top ten/fringe top 10 QB. But that was a long time ago.
I agree he deserves the HOF at some point, but you continue to act like he hasn't aged and he is still the same player he was in his prime. He was well below average in 2016 (27th in QBR) and was atrocious last year. It is what it is. He is over the hill. We should be looking to the long term options at QB.
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
You truly are a miserable fuck, aren't you?
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
An all-pro running back.
Disagree with me if you want but, if we add Barkley (I admit he never played 1 down in the NFL) in the draft, think about this line up.
Eli (admittedly getting close to the end. OL has got to be built fast and furiously). If he has protection, I believe he can still do it but, they would have to be in the SB in 2020.
Saquon Barkley - Never played a down in the NFL but, if he lives up to his billing .....?
Engram - looked very good as a rookie.
and last but not least - Odell.
In 2 years that line-up (plus throw in a few more unexpected/hidden gems accumulated along the way) ...that line-up will scare defenses
Targeting Odell Beckham: 63%, 35-7 TD/INT, 111.4 passer rating
Targeting anyone else: 59.5%, 285-209 TD/INT, 79.9 passer rating.
Look, I apologize for coming at you so strongly. You and I have never debated this like I have with Britt and others in your corner. Do you really believe that Eli has not declined as a player? Yes, the front office has dealt him a poor hand in recent years, but he no longer has the ability to elevate players around him.
In spite of the fact that he has always been frustratingly turnover prone, he used to sling the ball all over the field with authority. He also used to have great pocket awareness.
Now he is seeing ghosts and has lost his intermediate/deep ball accuracy. He got sacked in week 2 this year against the Lions without getting touched.
He may still look young, but he plays old. I know it is hard to let go of a franchise legend, but it is in the best interest of this franchise to select a QB for the future, even if they are trying to win in 2018.
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a #1 TE, and now the highest paid Left Tackle in the game.
My guess is they will add some type of speed/3rd down back for him in FA or the draft to go along with the 2 other running backs they drafted in the last two years.
Let me know what else is need for him to score 30 points in a game sometime this decade...
Another piece or two to upgrade the OL. A 3rd WR, and a HC/OC who can put a good game plan in place along with changing personnel so they don't have the same guys on the field 90% of the time. Oh and some NFL quality play calling would help too.
anything else? are you sure he doesn't need some more pieces to succeed??
i wouldn't worry too much about this scenario...
Let me know when time helped a 38 year old QB to start playing well...
Age is not what it used to be....
Eli definitely has not trusted the OL. He has gotten gun-shy and needs to overcome his happy feet.
But I totally believe Eli still can deliver the goods. He was the best player on the field in that last playoff game. He can still sling it. I think they lead the league in dropped passes.
Give him protection.....we will start scoring again.