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The #Giants are expected to sign former #Patriots LT Nate Solder, source said. They get their franchise left tackle. Huge get.
what's that based on? He is 6'7. 20-30 pounds on that frame is not that big a deal and all reports were that he was very thin in the lower body. An off season of hard leg work puts on a lot of weight
Perhaps... but similar claims were made at the time we signed JPP and Vernon.
Vernon yes, JPP no. JPP was a big-time gamble based on all of his injury history. Vernon is a good comp because he was a reliable and solid two way end, but not a top player at his position. Solder is similar.
I think we did what we had to to start to solidify this line.
Overpay for a LT that was considered the best in a weak FA market. If you noticed, however, prices for Olinemen are going up and will continue to in Free Agency. I'm not surprised by the contract. We have to draft some hog mollies to play Guard now. This move also pushes Flowers to the right side as well, which is what everyone has been clamoring about the past few years. Hopefully its a more natural position and we get pleasantly surprised. I think Wheeler may be competition for him however and I don't see the Giants just handing him the RT job.
Nate Solder signed a 4 year, $62,000,000 contract with the New York Giants, including $35,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,500,000.
what's that based on? He is 6'7. 20-30 pounds on that frame is not that big a deal and all reports were that he was very thin in the lower body. An off season of hard leg work puts on a lot of weight
He has never played at that weight. Adding that much weight to his frame would slow him down. Now if Wheeler were to move inside that would make sense but at LT it is more beneficial to play at a more comfortable weight.
In what the Giants look like they are doing and that is commit to Eli for 2 more years, they had to sign this guy, for better or worse. I would say drafting Barkley seems like the next move, if the Browns pass on him.
Defensively, they may think they can get back to the 2016 production with a new coach and improved health.
I just get the sense, they think they can get back into the playoff hunt next season.
is that it gives Wheeler another season to get stronger to potentially take over at RT in a year when Flowers' deal is up. If Flowers improves and is retained then Wheeler would have at least two more years to develop behind Solder to replace him.
If Wheeler develops as hoped he would be cheaper to re-sign due to his lack of playing time compared to a player that was starting for several years.
First, I'm talking about him at RT. Solder is LT. Second, yes, he never played at that weight but he also never has been in an NFL weight training program and his big deficit this year was strength. If he's under 325-330 this year after a year in the weight room, I'll be surprised.
In what the Giants look like they are doing and that is commit to Eli for 2 more years, they had to sign this guy, for better or worse. I would say drafting Barkley seems like the next move, if the Browns pass on him.
Defensively, they may think they can get back to the 2016 production with a new coach and improved health.
I just get the sense, they think they can get back into the playoff hunt next season.
Don't worry about "highest paid OL" tags - that goes out the window the second the next solid player is up in a starved market. Not worth getting hung up over.
Don't worry about "highest paid OL" tags - that goes out the window the second the next solid player is up in a starved market. Not worth getting hung up over.
Yes remember when Snacks was considered overpaid? Seems like a bargain now.
Solid player but he has had issues in pass protection too. He's overrated in free agency because he's the best tackle in a bad market.
Agreed, but that's the reality of the situation. It's crazy to make Solder the highest paid LT in the league, but we are out of options. We have a 38 year old immobile QB. Solder provides stability at the most important position on the OL.
will improve on the right side (as I do), this deal is a no-brainer. It's very likely they just upgraded 2 positions.
Flowers was drafted to be a RT. Beatty had just signed his 2nd contract here before getting hurt and forcing them to scramble with Flowers to the left.
Barkley and Nelson are the best 2 players in the draft. Now let's go get one of them.
First, I'm talking about him at RT. Solder is LT. Second, yes, he never played at that weight but he also never has been in an NFL weight training program and his big deficit this year was strength. If he's under 325-330 this year after a year in the weight room, I'll be surprised.
We will see. I expected Will Beatty to bulk up in the NFL but his weight didn't really increase much. Look at Solder, he is 6'8" and only 320 lbs.
Solid player but he has had issues in pass protection too. He's overrated in free agency because he's the best tackle in a bad market.
Agreed, but that's the reality of the situation. It's crazy to make Solder the highest paid LT in the league, but we are out of options. We have a 38 year old immobile QB. Solder provides stability at the most important position on the OL.
Seriously. How do they get out of this mess? They don't have an o-line either all of a sudden. Only tackle is Waddle. I know they went all in this year but they failed spectacularly to the damn Eagles.
Ooof. He's 30 with some injury and consistency concerns. Hoping it works out but this deal scares the shit out of me. It looks like it's more motivated by shortsighted desperation than the longhaul, which is where I think this franchise should have it's priorities.
I get the signing, just don't really agree with it.
I don't see all the faith in Wheeler as being justified. He's
Giants can save FA money by hiring people who can get a better estimation of OL NFL ability. Does this team employ a scout or personnel official that has experience scouting Offensive Linemen? The Giants really have been blowing it since the last Superbowl run. Its sobering to consume so much cap on a non QB. Please Giants run a tighter more professional system of talent evaluation. Fans are not confident.
but this is paying a lot of money for a slightly below average starting left tackle. I guess we aren't going to have money to pay for back ups, another year where we can't afford any injuries.
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Nate is a top 11 (mostly top 10) tackle for his last 5 years in PFF run blocking and PFF pass blocking. His Pass Blocking dropped a touch in 2017, but was way better his previous 6 years. His run blocking was top 12 last year, and top 10 the previous 6.
Stop for anyone overeacting to the $, it means zip. We have 90+m cap room the next 2 years. We'll extend OBJ and Collins and still have 50+m to play with BEFORE we release a qb after 2018 who makes 20m.
This signing is a massive win and beyond needed. He is 10x that of Eric Flowers.
but this is paying a lot of money for a slightly below average starting left tackle. I guess we aren't going to have money to pay for back ups, another year where we can't afford any injuries.
Ereck Flowers is a below average LT. Solder is above average.
I believe he is a better fit at LT but according to several scouting reports they predict that Wheeler could kick inside. Could he be an option to replace Pugh at LG?
Couldn't agree more. Nelson, Barkley, Minka or Chubb for me at 2. I do love Rosen's arm and Baker's accuracy, but I dont think either are worth a top 5 pick. The other 4 are
Keep Calm #Giants fans. A little bit of context regarding Nate Solders' #32 PFF ranking last year. True, he had a poor start to the year (around the time he was dealing with a lot of personal issues), but from Week 9 on he was our 3rd rated T and 2nd rated LT.
The highest paid linemen in the league and highest drafted guard I can recall is a massive investment for an OLine that would still require lots of work. You can draft good guards at value later in the draft.
This is a risky one(not saying it can't work out). We cannot go into the season with the same crappy line, but is this a sign that the Giants actually think they can contend in 2018?
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Solid player but he has had issues in pass protection too. He's overrated in free agency because he's the best tackle in a bad market.
Not a fan of Solders run blocking. But Id like to see Flowers at RT
Hes a solid run blocker.
Vernon yes, JPP no. JPP was a big-time gamble based on all of his injury history. Vernon is a good comp because he was a reliable and solid two way end, but not a top player at his position. Solder is similar.
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The #Giants are signing LT Nate Solder to a 4-year deal worth $62M, source said, with $35M guaranteed. The highest paid OL in the NFL. 💰💰💰
He has never played at that weight. Adding that much weight to his frame would slow him down. Now if Wheeler were to move inside that would make sense but at LT it is more beneficial to play at a more comfortable weight.
Defensively, they may think they can get back to the 2016 production with a new coach and improved health.
I just get the sense, they think they can get back into the playoff hunt next season.
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The #Giants are signing LT Nate Solder to a 4-year deal worth $62M, source said, with $35M guaranteed. The highest paid OL in the NFL. 💰💰💰
OOF! That's a big enchalada to swallow every year.
But that's the price you pay for years of bad drafts and FA signings.
After this, what do we have left to spend?
If Wheeler develops as hoped he would be cheaper to re-sign due to his lack of playing time compared to a player that was starting for several years.
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Defensively, they may think they can get back to the 2016 production with a new coach and improved health.
I just get the sense, they think they can get back into the playoff hunt next season.
Because a rookie QB would not need a LT???
After this, what do we have left to spend?
All depends how it is structured, when Vernon signed his first year cap hit was like 3 million..
Yes remember when Snacks was considered overpaid? Seems like a bargain now.
Agreed, but that's the reality of the situation. It's crazy to make Solder the highest paid LT in the league, but we are out of options. We have a 38 year old immobile QB. Solder provides stability at the most important position on the OL.
Flowers was drafted to be a RT. Beatty had just signed his 2nd contract here before getting hurt and forcing them to scramble with Flowers to the left.
Barkley and Nelson are the best 2 players in the draft. Now let's go get one of them.
We will see. I expected Will Beatty to bulk up in the NFL but his weight didn't really increase much. Look at Solder, he is 6'8" and only 320 lbs.
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Solid player but he has had issues in pass protection too. He's overrated in free agency because he's the best tackle in a bad market.
Agreed, but that's the reality of the situation. It's crazy to make Solder the highest paid LT in the league, but we are out of options. We have a 38 year old immobile QB. Solder provides stability at the most important position on the OL.
Excuse me, highest paid OL.
Seriously. How do they get out of this mess? They don't have an o-line either all of a sudden. Only tackle is Waddle. I know they went all in this year but they failed spectacularly to the damn Eagles.
I get the signing, just don't really agree with it.
One draft failure after another until you have to pay through the nose to get decent players like Solder, Snacks, Oliver Vernon and Jackrabbit.
Not a good blueprint for building long term success.
Feels like a desperation move in the hope that Eli can lead them to the promise land with his blind side covered in decent (not great) fashion.
Oh, well... throw the dice on Eli and see what comes up.
Don't cry if it's Snake Eyes.
Left side looks very good
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Stop for anyone overeacting to the $, it means zip. We have 90+m cap room the next 2 years. We'll extend OBJ and Collins and still have 50+m to play with BEFORE we release a qb after 2018 who makes 20m.
This signing is a massive win and beyond needed. He is 10x that of Eric Flowers.
Remember when lavar Arrington signed 5 year 54million, it was essentially a 1 year deal...
You want the team to get better but you expect it to happen by pinching pennies.
Couldn't agree more. Nelson, Barkley, Minka or Chubb for me at 2. I do love Rosen's arm and Baker's accuracy, but I dont think either are worth a top 5 pick. The other 4 are
I love this signing. It had to be done.
Remember when lavar Arrington signed 5 year 54million, it was essentially a 1 year deal...
35m guaranteed. I highly doubt that's all roster bonuses. We're committing to all 4 years here.
Darnold or Barkley are the obvious choices here.
You want the team to get better but you expect it to happen by pinching pennies.
If they take Rosen with this, I have no issue. If they take Barkley, this, I fear, will be an off season that we will rue for a long time