now, is that maybe the league knows the Giants are NOT all in on a QB at 2. That means the closer to draft day they get the less attractive our pick becomes. Because the Colts aren't drafting a QB at 3 and they become the next big spot if a QB is what you want..
are skeptical of these kinds of posts is the lack of information. What is the "person of trust" relationship to either the Bills or Giants? How does he get inside information. How long has this negotiation been going on?
No, the "asshat" makes a vague post and then you never hear from him again.
So, I'll believe it when I see it from a reputable source.
would give a team with a lot of holes (us) 4 potential starters instead of 2. An OL player (like Williams), a top RB (like the LSU guy), a top LB or DB, etc.
We need a lot. If you are not biased, you can certainly make a case that drafting a QB at #2 who won't play for 2 years, and then only if he pans out, is not the right path for a team who needs a lot.
you get the QB or one of the QB's you want. If Browns go Darnold then you want your choice (Say Allen) and he would be your target at 2. If we get to draft day and the Giants are still sitting with the 2 and you (say Buffalo) know they are not going QB then you could target the 3rd spot to get your guy.
If you think other teams may outbid you for a pick then you offer the max you can now and get you spot locked up. Then you use the rest of FREE Agency to fill the needs you have now that you won't have the picks to fill them.
probably all the way up to 3, would basically cost what we’d get in this hypothetical trade. It also can’t be guaranteed to happen anyway so we can be stuck at 12 picking from the 2nd tier of talent.
probably all the way up to 3, would basically cost what we’d get in this hypothetical trade. It also can’t be guaranteed to happen anyway so we can be stuck at 12 picking from the 2nd tier of talent.
would give a team with a lot of holes (us) 4 potential starters instead of 2. An OL player (like Williams), a top RB (like the LSU guy), a top LB or DB, etc.
We need a lot. If you are not biased, you can certainly make a case that drafting a QB at #2 who won't play for 2 years, and then only if he pans out, is not the right path for a team who needs a lot.
we also get 23 this year, 2nd rounder this year, 1st next year, and 2nd next year.
Basically if you wanted RB at #2 it would be like trading Barkley for Derrius Guice, Hernandez (who I love!), and say James Washington another player I love... Plus most likely high picks next year from a team with no QB basically. Could be back in the top 5 of each round. In the mean time Guice, Hernandez would start and Washington would probably be at least 4th WR.
You could also trade back to 12th picking up 23rd, 2nd, next years 1st, and 2nd. Then trade up into the top 10 if you wanted keeping most of the trade back. To me though there is easily 12 good players I would be happy with. 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 2 OL, 3 DBs, 2 DL, 2 LBs.
a terrible move. The number 2 pick is massively valuable. The Bills made it to the playoffs last year, maybe they will again. They would have to give up an absolute ton more than is being mentioned here or the Giants will look like morons. How come all these teams are willing to mortgage everything for these QBs and the Giants and old Eli are not interested in taking one?
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
are skeptical of these kinds of posts is the lack of information. What is the "person of trust" relationship to either the Bills or Giants? How does he get inside information. How long has this negotiation been going on?
No, the "asshat" makes a vague post and then you never hear from him again.
So, I'll believe it when I see it from a reputable source.
DaddyM89 has posted here for years and has never been an attention seeker that would be looking to make up asshat info.
I don't know if it'll go down (I really hope it doesn't) but I trust that he does truly have someone telling him it will. Could be someone from Miami that's a player on the teams, considering IIRC that was his school (I always remember people who are my age posting on BBI from like 10 years ago. Remember Dubs?)
eliminates Barkley, Nelson, Chubb, all the QBs worth taking in Round 1. And, you would have to worry about teams trading to move up to 11 or lower. Makes no sense. This would be a draft day trade, and I still wouldn't like it.
probably all the way up to 3, would basically cost what we’d get in this hypothetical trade. It also can’t be guaranteed to happen anyway so we can be stuck at 12 picking from the 2nd tier of talent.
Sounds smart.
The argument about 2nd tier players etc is all tied with QB's being available at #2 or Barkley etc.. But, what if the Giants don't want a QB or Barkley at #2? If they truly wnat to win now, then immediate starters and major contributors is needed with our picks...
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
I think we got a blue chip playmaker at #12 a couple of years ago. Sometimes the top guys aren't always the best players in the draft. We just don't know it yet.
eliminates Barkley, Nelson, Chubb, all the QBs worth taking in Round 1. And, you would have to worry about teams trading to move up to 11 or lower. Makes no sense. This would be a draft day trade, and I still wouldn't like it.
I don't think this will happen. I hope not.
Don't be so sure about that. I suspect this draft is far more fluid than people think. Chubb to me is a very blah player. Overrated. OT's will slide some- MM, OB, CW will all go lower than first thought. Nelson will be top 10 for sure but so many other spots open. The Giants can't fill multiple needs with 5 picks and FA.
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
Gettleman learned his craft under Ernie Accorsi. The Maras have been and continue to be a conservative organization. Trading up yes, trading down no.
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
Agreed. Just don't see DG making this guess to the owners.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
Agreed. Just don't see DG making this guess to the owners.
when someone makes a post like this and then disappears. No follow up, nothing else. That being said, I don't think Daddy is like Limerick where he tries to pretend to be someone he isn't. Not really doubting that he got this text, but where is the follow up after the hysteria?
JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
I think we got a blue chip playmaker at #12 a couple of years ago. Sometimes the top guys aren't always the best players in the draft. We just don't know it yet.
when someone makes a post like this and then disappears. No follow up, nothing else. That being said, I don't think Daddy is like Limerick where he tries to pretend to be someone he isn't. Not really doubting that he got this text, but where is the follow up after the hysteria?
50 lashings!
I think Gettleman would have to be blown away to trade out of number 2
No, the "asshat" makes a vague post and then you never hear from him again.
So, I'll believe it when I see it from a reputable source.
We need a lot. If you are not biased, you can certainly make a case that drafting a QB at #2 who won't play for 2 years, and then only if he pans out, is not the right path for a team who needs a lot.
Nelson will not be there at 12.
So I'm assuming this was done since it wasn't deleted.
If you think other teams may outbid you for a pick then you offer the max you can now and get you spot locked up. Then you use the rest of FREE Agency to fill the needs you have now that you won't have the picks to fill them.
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This +100
Doubt all those picks would be offered.
Hitdog buddy, what's the good word?
Slade- what's , ahh never mind there..
I miss SOTI's info...
Sounds smart.
Sounds smart.
Exactly. No need to over complicate this.
We need a lot. If you are not biased, you can certainly make a case that drafting a QB at #2 who won't play for 2 years, and then only if he pans out, is not the right path for a team who needs a lot.
Need both of their second round picks
Basically if you wanted RB at #2 it would be like trading Barkley for Derrius Guice, Hernandez (who I love!), and say James Washington another player I love... Plus most likely high picks next year from a team with no QB basically. Could be back in the top 5 of each round. In the mean time Guice, Hernandez would start and Washington would probably be at least 4th WR.
You could also trade back to 12th picking up 23rd, 2nd, next years 1st, and 2nd. Then trade up into the top 10 if you wanted keeping most of the trade back. To me though there is easily 12 good players I would be happy with. 2 QBs, 2 RBs, 2 OL, 3 DBs, 2 DL, 2 LBs.
Saying that I don't think this happens.
Guys who will be gone
QB Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen
RB Barkley
OL Nelson
LB Edmunds
DB Fitzpatrick
DL Chubb
Maybe available
LB Smith, DE Davenport
Likely still available
OT McGlinchey
OT Williams
CB Ward
NT Vea
S James
LB Evans
CB Alexander
I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
No, the "asshat" makes a vague post and then you never hear from him again.
So, I'll believe it when I see it from a reputable source.
DaddyM89 has posted here for years and has never been an attention seeker that would be looking to make up asshat info.
I don't know if it'll go down (I really hope it doesn't) but I trust that he does truly have someone telling him it will. Could be someone from Miami that's a player on the teams, considering IIRC that was his school (I always remember people who are my age posting on BBI from like 10 years ago. Remember Dubs?)
I don't think this will happen. I hope not.
Sounds smart.
The argument about 2nd tier players etc is all tied with QB's being available at #2 or Barkley etc.. But, what if the Giants don't want a QB or Barkley at #2? If they truly wnat to win now, then immediate starters and major contributors is needed with our picks...
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
I think we got a blue chip playmaker at #12 a couple of years ago. Sometimes the top guys aren't always the best players in the draft. We just don't know it yet.
Guys who will be gone
QB Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen
RB Barkley
OL Nelson
LB Edmunds
DB Fitzpatrick
DL Chubb
Maybe available
LB Smith, DE Davenport
Likely still available
OT McGlinchey
OT Williams
CB Ward
NT Vea
S James
LB Evans
CB Alexander
Still some very good players available at 12. Hernandez or Guice in the 20's makes a lot of sense also.
I don't think this will happen. I hope not.
Don't be so sure about that. I suspect this draft is far more fluid than people think. Chubb to me is a very blah player. Overrated. OT's will slide some- MM, OB, CW will all go lower than first thought. Nelson will be top 10 for sure but so many other spots open. The Giants can't fill multiple needs with 5 picks and FA.
This makes a ton of sense.
...we stay at #2.
Unless, of course, DG wants to double down on his Nate Solder signing thus mortgaging our future even further.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
Gettleman learned his craft under Ernie Accorsi. The Maras have been and continue to be a conservative organization. Trading up yes, trading down no.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
...we stay at #2.
Unless, of course, DG wants to double down on his Nate Solder signing thus mortgaging our future even further.
Or they like Webb enough and feel he can replace ei in a couple of yeara...
Also possible they don't feel comfortable with any of the qbs in this draft and are looking to get as many picks as they can for 2...
If they take a qb at 2 and it doesn't hit it will set the team back, if you are not comfortable do not take a qb
That did cross my mind. I hope not.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
Agreed. Just don't see DG making this guess to the owners.
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I'd be shocked if it happens. The Giants history of trading down (almost nonexistent) makes it extremely doubtful. I'm still looking at Rosen or Barkley as the choices.
Why do previous regimes have any bearing on what gettleman will do?
They don't, but ownership is still the same. But after last season, ownership might well be willing to something completely unprecedented, especially if it's what their new GM and coach want.
Agreed. Just don't see DG making this guess to the owners.
"case" not guess.
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JonC, I never ever disagree with you. You are a wise football savvy guy. But I don't mind saying, I'd do it! If I get this years two number ones, a number two, a number 3, and a number one of two next year. I'd do it.
Given the fact that the Bills are not even rumored to be looking at FA QBs right now tells me they are taking one in the draft, and are confident they are going to get one of the QBs they like. The Bills are going to trade up and are going to give up a lot to do it.
As I have said the past few days. The Giants are not going to get out of their predicament in FA. They have to draft their way out. They don't have the money for FA and it's a poor way to fix your team anyway. They need more draft picks. Also, if they have pick 12 and 22, they can still move back into the top 10 quite easily.
I'd totally do it.
If they're bound and determined behind Eli, I get it. They can't rip it apart due to cap accelerations etc so ride it until it's dead in the dirt.
But, I hate the prospect of burning the chance to get a blue chip playmaker, they're so hard to get hands on and come along rarely. I'd rather pick Darnold or Barkley.
I think we got a blue chip playmaker at #12 a couple of years ago. Sometimes the top guys aren't always the best players in the draft. We just don't know it yet.
An exception that won't happen often.