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Would the Browns trade down with the Giants?

Nysportsfn13 : 3/15/2018 4:48 pm
new here, been reading for a while, finally decided to join the party.

What if the Browns wanted both Barkley and their QB and the Giants didn't want Barkley?

Would you guys do, 2 OA for 4, 33 and 35? would the Browns do it?.. Giants would have 4 OA and the first 3 picks in the 2nd round, which perhaps they could use to move up into the late 1st if there's someone they really want.
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BleedBlue : 3/15/2018 4:52 pm : link
this is a GREAT move if they dont want barkley. id have to assume the first three will be in some order darnold, barkley, allen.

so at 4 we could get rosen, nelson, chubb, fitzpatrick.

it would be a great move IMO if they dont want barkley.

having the three picks EARLY in round two would be pretty awesome.
if we  
Mr. Nickels : 3/15/2018 4:52 pm : link
want nelson it would be a good idea
They would have to  
Jay on the Island : 3/15/2018 4:53 pm : link
throw in their 2019 1st also or no deal.
RE: They would have to  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/15/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13868057 Jay on the Island said:
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throw in their 2019 1st also or no deal.


would love that, but that would be a real haul since the Browns have the 4th OA pick only 2 behind us.
RE: They would have to  
Rocky369 : 3/15/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13868057 Jay on the Island said:
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throw in their 2019 1st also or no deal.
not for me. Move down 2 spots, still have QB available if you're hung up on that. and get two top picks in the second.
For the Browns to move up to #2  
Diver_Down : 3/15/2018 4:57 pm : link
would require more than #33 and #35 (besides the swap of 1st rounders. I don't care what the trade value chart equates to. If they want the best of both worlds without risk, then they need to pay up. I would want their first next year. Any trade down with any team starts with their first next year.
I have offered this same scenario many times  
Rjanyg : 3/15/2018 5:01 pm : link
It would have to be a great value for NYG. I think pick 2 for Cleveland's 4,33,35 and their 4th rounder. Maybe even a 1st next year.

Cleveland would do this to secure the QB of their choice and the best player in the draft in Barkley. Allowing this to happen should cost them dearly.

I love the idea of trading back and getting those extra early 2nd rounders having the whole night to decide who the top 3 players not selected in the 1st round are.

Could be the best situation IMO.
Sony Michele..  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/15/2018 5:04 pm : link
He's not Barkley, but I really think he is going to be really good, probably can be had in the 2nd round (especially if we have the first 3 picks).
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allstarjim : 3/15/2018 5:10 pm : link
Isn't that a trade UP for Cleveland, moving from 4 to 2? I've never seen OA being used like that for "overall", threw me for a sec. But I think the Giants may like that deal but I doubt that Cleveland would agree to send both 33 and 35 to move up 2 spots. I think Cleveland knows they can get a damn good player at 33 and 35, and I don't think their strategy is to go after Barkley anyway. I think they are going to take a QB at 1 after the signing of Hyde. I know $5-$6 million per year isn't an enormous amount of money, but from a roster construction standpoint, I don't think you do that AND pay another $30 million plus on top for Saquon Barkley.

I think they are looking at QB at #1, and then going after Quenton Nelson or Chubb at 4 or possibly a trade down if they get a good return. And then they have 33 and 35 with which they can get significantly better, including at the RB position if they so choose. I don't think they are going to forfeit that opportunity even for Saquon Barkley nor do I think that it is smart for them to do so. I think if they wanted a player that bad they would just take him at #1, and I doubt they feel they HAVE to have Saquon at the expense of both of their early 2nd round picks.
RE: First  
robbieballs2003 : 3/15/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13868089 allstarjim said:
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Isn't that a trade UP for Cleveland, moving from 4 to 2? I've never seen OA being used like that for "overall", threw me for a sec. But I think the Giants may like that deal but I doubt that Cleveland would agree to send both 33 and 35 to move up 2 spots. I think Cleveland knows they can get a damn good player at 33 and 35, and I don't think their strategy is to go after Barkley anyway. I think they are going to take a QB at 1 after the signing of Hyde. I know $5-$6 million per year isn't an enormous amount of money, but from a roster construction standpoint, I don't think you do that AND pay another $30 million plus on top for Saquon Barkley.

I think they are looking at QB at #1, and then going after Quenton Nelson or Chubb at 4 or possibly a trade down if they get a good return. And then they have 33 and 35 with which they can get significantly better, including at the RB position if they so choose. I don't think they are going to forfeit that opportunity even for Saquon Barkley nor do I think that it is smart for them to do so. I think if they wanted a player that bad they would just take him at #1, and I doubt they feel they HAVE to have Saquon at the expense of both of their early 2nd round picks.


Lmao. Yes.
The only way I do that  
RAIN : 3/15/2018 5:15 pm : link
is that I'm confident no one trades up to #3 to take our guy. Cleveland would have to tell us whom they are taking. This would assume we are ok with Allen, Rosen, or Nelson at #4.
RE: The only way I do that  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/15/2018 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13868097 RAIN said:
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is that I'm confident no one trades up to #3 to take our guy. Cleveland would have to tell us whom they are taking. This would assume we are ok with Allen, Rosen, or Nelson at #4.


I think unless its a QB the Giants want, the Bills will end up trading with Indy to get to 3 to take the QB. all depends if the Giants want a QB or think Webb is their guy.
Been thinking the same thing  
Giantimistic : 3/15/2018 5:17 pm : link
What would be very interesting if it played out that the browns wanted the quarterback of their choosing and Chubb to go on the other side of Garrett to solidify their dline. If for some reason they saw that the Colts wanted Chubb too, they would have to jump them for him--I did read somewhere that the Colts were high on Chubb and Nelson.

So if that played out now the colts would be on the clock and could take Barkley, Nelson or trade down with the Bills who would be coming up to take a quarterback. This would leave the Giants at 4 with potentially Nelson, Barkley, one of the quarterbacks or another player they are still high on and a few extra high picks.

It would be a dream scenario if they Giants could walk away from the first round with Barkley and three picks at the top of the second round. If there was a 2019 1 or 2 that would be amazing as well.
RE: Been thinking the same thing  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/15/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13868104 Giantimistic said:
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What would be very interesting if it played out that the browns wanted the quarterback of their choosing and Chubb to go on the other side of Garrett to solidify their dline. If for some reason they saw that the Colts wanted Chubb too, they would have to jump them for him--I did read somewhere that the Colts were high on Chubb and Nelson.

So if that played out now the colts would be on the clock and could take Barkley, Nelson or trade down with the Bills who would be coming up to take a quarterback. This would leave the Giants at 4 with potentially Nelson, Barkley, one of the quarterbacks or another player they are still high on and a few extra high picks.

It would be a dream scenario if they Giants could walk away from the first round with Barkley and three picks at the top of the second round. If there was a 2019 1 or 2 that would be amazing as well.


Have to think if Barkley is there (and Indy stays at 3 they take him), but there's also a real good chance they trade with the Bills
RE: I have offered this same scenario many times  
sharpshooter66 : 3/15/2018 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13868076 Rjanyg said:
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It would have to be a great value for NYG. I think pick 2 for Cleveland's 4,33,35 and their 4th rounder. Maybe even a 1st next year.

Cleveland would do this to secure the QB of their choice and the best player in the draft in Barkley. Allowing this to happen should cost them dearly.

I love the idea of trading back and getting those extra early 2nd rounders having the whole night to decide who the top 3 players not selected in the 1st round are.

Could be the best situation IMO.


Agree 100%
RE: Been thinking the same thing  
Knee of Theismann : 3/15/2018 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13868104 Giantimistic said:
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What would be very interesting if it played out that the browns wanted the quarterback of their choosing and Chubb to go on the other side of Garrett to solidify their dline. If for some reason they saw that the Colts wanted Chubb too, they would have to jump them for him--I did read somewhere that the Colts were high on Chubb and Nelson.

So if that played out now the colts would be on the clock and could take Barkley, Nelson or trade down with the Bills who would be coming up to take a quarterback. This would leave the Giants at 4 with potentially Nelson, Barkley, one of the quarterbacks or another player they are still high on and a few extra high picks.

It would be a dream scenario if they Giants could walk away from the first round with Barkley and three picks at the top of the second round. If there was a 2019 1 or 2 that would be amazing as well.


No way Barkley falls past #3. Just ain't happening. If he's even there at #3 someone in the top 10 is gonna trade up with the Colts to get him (if the Colts don't take him themselves).
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Nysportsfn13 : 3/15/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13868149 Knee of Theismann said:
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What would be very interesting if it played out that the browns wanted the quarterback of their choosing and Chubb to go on the other side of Garrett to solidify their dline. If for some reason they saw that the Colts wanted Chubb too, they would have to jump them for him--I did read somewhere that the Colts were high on Chubb and Nelson.

So if that played out now the colts would be on the clock and could take Barkley, Nelson or trade down with the Bills who would be coming up to take a quarterback. This would leave the Giants at 4 with potentially Nelson, Barkley, one of the quarterbacks or another player they are still high on and a few extra high picks.

It would be a dream scenario if they Giants could walk away from the first round with Barkley and three picks at the top of the second round. If there was a 2019 1 or 2 that would be amazing as well.



No way Barkley falls past #3. Just ain't happening. If he's even there at #3 someone in the top 10 is gonna trade up with the Colts to get him (if the Colts don't take him themselves).


Yeah Colts would take him, unless they make the moves with the Bills (who WILL take a QB, even if Barkley is there) before draft day.
RE: I have offered this same scenario many times  
Knee of Theismann : 3/15/2018 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13868076 Rjanyg said:
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It would have to be a great value for NYG. I think pick 2 for Cleveland's 4,33,35 and their 4th rounder. Maybe even a 1st next year.

Cleveland would do this to secure the QB of their choice and the best player in the draft in Barkley. Allowing this to happen should cost them dearly.

I love the idea of trading back and getting those extra early 2nd rounders having the whole night to decide who the top 3 players not selected in the 1st round are.

Could be the best situation IMO.


That's true, didn't even think about the fact round 2 is the next day. There are always at least a few blue chip round 1 guys who fall to early round 2 and we would have our pick of the 3 best of them.

FURTHERMORE... If there is a major talent that slips out of round 1, I could see some team trading up with us from early-mid round 2 and maybe even giving us their 2019 first rounder in exchange (if the talent is worth it).
I dont  
mdthedream : 3/15/2018 6:03 pm : link
see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.
I'd do it  
jayg5 : 3/15/2018 6:03 pm : link
But I doubt they'd get both early 2nd picks.
And think it's crazy to think they can get the 2 2nd rounders and browns 2019 1st to move up 2 spots.
RE: I dont  
Diver_Down : 3/15/2018 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13868158 mdthedream said:
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.


Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.
Having the first 3 picks in the 2nd round  
mrvax : 3/15/2018 6:28 pm : link
is fantastic. Just moving down 2 spots to get there is worth it. With an important unless: The Giants covet a certain QB who may not be there at #4.


Else- do it.
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allstarjim : 3/15/2018 6:32 pm : link
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.



Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.


It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.

I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.
My message to the browns would be this  
djm : 3/15/2018 6:35 pm : link
fuck you pay me. Gimme that future first or fuck off.
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Diver_Down : 3/15/2018 6:39 pm : link
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.



Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.



It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.

I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.


Just seems like a gamble to miss out on this class of QBs. If Luck doesn't return to top form, they can get out from his contract next year with only $12.8M in dead cap.
Luck's Contract - ( New Window )
The Browns are likely to get a better offer by trading the 4th pick  
GFAN52 : 3/15/2018 6:41 pm : link
to a team looking to move up for a QB like the Bills.
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old man : 3/15/2018 7:15 pm : link
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to a team looking to move up for a QB like the Bills.


1,12,21,33,35,53,56(the later 2 Bills) and their own 3rd 2nd rd.pick.
Dorsey: :-) :-) :-)!!!!!
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GFAN52 : 3/15/2018 7:17 pm : link
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to a team looking to move up for a QB like the Bills.



1,12,21,33,35,53,56(the later 2 Bills) and their own 3rd 2nd rd.pick.
Dorsey: :-) :-) :-)!!!!!


Browns if they drafted correctly would be super stocked with talent.
OBJ to the browns ...  
Bluesbreaker : 3/15/2018 7:27 pm : link
we get there 4th there two seconds and there 3rd .
#2 Barkley
#4 Nelson
#33
#34
#35
#65
#66

Get a generational do it all RB
Best O-lineman in the draft .
A chance to move back up and take a guy like Smith LB from Georgia
Take a center like Billy Price .
I love Odell but your gonna pay him a shit ton of money
He's is a bit injury prone maybe from over use but we
could do a lot of rebuilding with a trade I doubt Cleveland would make the deal .
Some  
AcidTest : 3/15/2018 8:07 pm : link
of you guys could have worked for Reese. I wonder if part of the reason he never traded down was that he had utterly unrealistic demands. Both second round picks are enough to move from #2 to #4. Asking for a first next year as well is irrational.
Well it might speed up watching the 2nd round  
USAF NYG Fan : 3/15/2018 8:19 pm : link
if the Giants just send all 3 picks in at once.
RE: They would have to  
chopperhatch : 3/15/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13868057 Jay on the Island said:
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throw in their 2019 1st also or no deal.


Huh? To move back two spots? We would have the first 3 picks of the second round! I would take that in a heartbeat.
Browns Aren't Trading 33 and 35...  
Jim in Tampa : 3/15/2018 8:34 pm : link
To go from 4 to 2. But it is comical to read that some Giant fans think that the Browns would also have to throw in their 2019 #1 as well.

I think that the first 3 picks will all be QBs (with the Colts trading the pick to Denver, Jets or Buffalo) unless the Colts go Nelson or Chubb.

If the Browns really want Barkley they can probably still get him at 4.
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allstarjim : 3/15/2018 8:43 pm : link
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.



Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.



It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.

I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.



Just seems like a gamble to miss out on this class of QBs. If Luck doesn't return to top form, they can get out from his contract next year with only $12.8M in dead cap. Luck's Contract - ( New Window )


There will be good quarterbacks next year, and if that's the case, then you select a QB or the year after. *Only* $12.8M in dead cap?
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Diver_Down : 3/15/2018 9:00 pm : link
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.



Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.



It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.

I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.



Just seems like a gamble to miss out on this class of QBs. If Luck doesn't return to top form, they can get out from his contract next year with only $12.8M in dead cap. Luck's Contract - ( New Window )



There will be good quarterbacks next year, and if that's the case, then you select a QB or the year after. *Only* $12.8M in dead cap?


$12.8M with Luck designated as a post-June 1st cut before his roster bonus is due only forces the Colts to carry the $12.8M hit until June 1 when it is reduced to $6.4M. Many on this board have advocated for Manning to be traded this off-season. Doing such would cause the full $12.4M dead cap to accelerate into the current year. If Manning was released, he could be designated as post-June 1st cut spreading the dead cap over 2 years.

While it sucks to have to eat a cap hit, it isn't insurmountable if designating the player as a post-June 1st cut especially if the player - in the case of Luck - is lame and unable to toss a ball.
RE: Browns Aren't Trading 33 and 35...  
GFAN52 : 3/15/2018 9:05 pm : link
In comment 13868352 Jim in Tampa said:
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To go from 4 to 2. But it is comical to read that some Giant fans think that the Browns would also have to throw in their 2019 #1 as well.

I think that the first 3 picks will all be QBs (with the Colts trading the pick to Denver, Jets or Buffalo) unless the Colts go Nelson or Chubb.

If the Browns really want Barkley they can probably still get him at 4.


That's how I see it as well.
With the signing of Carlos Hyde  
Earl the goat : 3/15/2018 9:28 pm : link
Cleveland is no longer interested in Barkley.
They aren’t paying Hyde all this money and using a number two pick to have them split the number of snaps
Works for me if we get  
TMS : 3/15/2018 10:07 pm : link
Nelson or Fitzpatrick at #4 and the later picks. Hard to believe they do not take Barkley but you can only dream.
Think Barkley is there at  
TMS : 3/15/2018 10:34 pm : link
#2 he will be a Giant without a doubt. Hope it happens but doubt it.
Think Barkley is there at  
TMS : 3/15/2018 10:34 pm : link
#2 he will be a Giant without a doubt. Hope it happens but doubt it.
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allstarjim : 3/16/2018 1:03 pm : link
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.



Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.



It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.

I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.



Just seems like a gamble to miss out on this class of QBs. If Luck doesn't return to top form, they can get out from his contract next year with only $12.8M in dead cap. Luck's Contract - ( New Window )



There will be good quarterbacks next year, and if that's the case, then you select a QB or the year after. *Only* $12.8M in dead cap?



$12.8M with Luck designated as a post-June 1st cut before his roster bonus is due only forces the Colts to carry the $12.8M hit until June 1 when it is reduced to $6.4M. Many on this board have advocated for Manning to be traded this off-season. Doing such would cause the full $12.4M dead cap to accelerate into the current year. If Manning was released, he could be designated as post-June 1st cut spreading the dead cap over 2 years.

While it sucks to have to eat a cap hit, it isn't insurmountable if designating the player as a post-June 1st cut especially if the player - in the case of Luck - is lame and unable to toss a ball.


Yes and that would be collosally stupid because then you have cut Andrew Luck when there is still a pretty good chance he will return to form, and he is a HOF level QB when healthy. So wtf would you do that now, take a cap hit, and hope the guy you get at 3 is good? It's still Andrew Luck and if you release that guy now you deserve to be fired and never work in the NFL again.
Think if we want one of the QBs we take him at #2  
TMS : 3/16/2018 3:21 pm : link
or we take Barkley if he is there. After that scenario anything could happen. DG is a great horse trader so we are in good hands. This is more fun than all of last season already.
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