new here, been reading for a while, finally decided to join the party.
What if the Browns wanted both Barkley and their QB and the Giants didn't want Barkley?
Would you guys do, 2 OA for 4, 33 and 35? would the Browns do it?.. Giants would have 4 OA and the first 3 picks in the 2nd round, which perhaps they could use to move up into the late 1st if there's someone they really want.
so at 4 we could get rosen, nelson, chubb, fitzpatrick.
it would be a great move IMO if they dont want barkley.
having the three picks EARLY in round two would be pretty awesome.
would love that, but that would be a real haul since the Browns have the 4th OA pick only 2 behind us.
Cleveland would do this to secure the QB of their choice and the best player in the draft in Barkley. Allowing this to happen should cost them dearly.
I love the idea of trading back and getting those extra early 2nd rounders having the whole night to decide who the top 3 players not selected in the 1st round are.
Could be the best situation IMO.
I think they are looking at QB at #1, and then going after Quenton Nelson or Chubb at 4 or possibly a trade down if they get a good return. And then they have 33 and 35 with which they can get significantly better, including at the RB position if they so choose. I don't think they are going to forfeit that opportunity even for Saquon Barkley nor do I think that it is smart for them to do so. I think if they wanted a player that bad they would just take him at #1, and I doubt they feel they HAVE to have Saquon at the expense of both of their early 2nd round picks.
I think they are looking at QB at #1, and then going after Quenton Nelson or Chubb at 4 or possibly a trade down if they get a good return. And then they have 33 and 35 with which they can get significantly better, including at the RB position if they so choose. I don't think they are going to forfeit that opportunity even for Saquon Barkley nor do I think that it is smart for them to do so. I think if they wanted a player that bad they would just take him at #1, and I doubt they feel they HAVE to have Saquon at the expense of both of their early 2nd round picks.
Lmao. Yes.
I think unless its a QB the Giants want, the Bills will end up trading with Indy to get to 3 to take the QB. all depends if the Giants want a QB or think Webb is their guy.
So if that played out now the colts would be on the clock and could take Barkley, Nelson or trade down with the Bills who would be coming up to take a quarterback. This would leave the Giants at 4 with potentially Nelson, Barkley, one of the quarterbacks or another player they are still high on and a few extra high picks.
It would be a dream scenario if they Giants could walk away from the first round with Barkley and three picks at the top of the second round. If there was a 2019 1 or 2 that would be amazing as well.
So if that played out now the colts would be on the clock and could take Barkley, Nelson or trade down with the Bills who would be coming up to take a quarterback. This would leave the Giants at 4 with potentially Nelson, Barkley, one of the quarterbacks or another player they are still high on and a few extra high picks.
It would be a dream scenario if they Giants could walk away from the first round with Barkley and three picks at the top of the second round. If there was a 2019 1 or 2 that would be amazing as well.
Have to think if Barkley is there (and Indy stays at 3 they take him), but there's also a real good chance they trade with the Bills
Cleveland would do this to secure the QB of their choice and the best player in the draft in Barkley. Allowing this to happen should cost them dearly.
I love the idea of trading back and getting those extra early 2nd rounders having the whole night to decide who the top 3 players not selected in the 1st round are.
Could be the best situation IMO.
Agree 100%
So if that played out now the colts would be on the clock and could take Barkley, Nelson or trade down with the Bills who would be coming up to take a quarterback. This would leave the Giants at 4 with potentially Nelson, Barkley, one of the quarterbacks or another player they are still high on and a few extra high picks.
It would be a dream scenario if they Giants could walk away from the first round with Barkley and three picks at the top of the second round. If there was a 2019 1 or 2 that would be amazing as well.
No way Barkley falls past #3. Just ain't happening. If he's even there at #3 someone in the top 10 is gonna trade up with the Colts to get him (if the Colts don't take him themselves).
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What would be very interesting if it played out that the browns wanted the quarterback of their choosing and Chubb to go on the other side of Garrett to solidify their dline. If for some reason they saw that the Colts wanted Chubb too, they would have to jump them for him--I did read somewhere that the Colts were high on Chubb and Nelson.
So if that played out now the colts would be on the clock and could take Barkley, Nelson or trade down with the Bills who would be coming up to take a quarterback. This would leave the Giants at 4 with potentially Nelson, Barkley, one of the quarterbacks or another player they are still high on and a few extra high picks.
It would be a dream scenario if they Giants could walk away from the first round with Barkley and three picks at the top of the second round. If there was a 2019 1 or 2 that would be amazing as well.
No way Barkley falls past #3. Just ain't happening. If he's even there at #3 someone in the top 10 is gonna trade up with the Colts to get him (if the Colts don't take him themselves).
Yeah Colts would take him, unless they make the moves with the Bills (who WILL take a QB, even if Barkley is there) before draft day.
Cleveland would do this to secure the QB of their choice and the best player in the draft in Barkley. Allowing this to happen should cost them dearly.
I love the idea of trading back and getting those extra early 2nd rounders having the whole night to decide who the top 3 players not selected in the 1st round are.
Could be the best situation IMO.
That's true, didn't even think about the fact round 2 is the next day. There are always at least a few blue chip round 1 guys who fall to early round 2 and we would have our pick of the 3 best of them.
FURTHERMORE... If there is a major talent that slips out of round 1, I could see some team trading up with us from early-mid round 2 and maybe even giving us their 2019 first rounder in exchange (if the talent is worth it).
And think it's crazy to think they can get the 2 2nd rounders and browns 2019 1st to move up 2 spots.
Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.
Else- do it.
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.
Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.
It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.
I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.
Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.
It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.
I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.
Just seems like a gamble to miss out on this class of QBs. If Luck doesn't return to top form, they can get out from his contract next year with only $12.8M in dead cap.
Luck's Contract - ( New Window )
1,12,21,33,35,53,56(the later 2 Bills) and their own 3rd 2nd rd.pick.
Dorsey: :-) :-) :-)!!!!!
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to a team looking to move up for a QB like the Bills.
1,12,21,33,35,53,56(the later 2 Bills) and their own 3rd 2nd rd.pick.
Dorsey: :-) :-) :-)!!!!!
Browns if they drafted correctly would be super stocked with talent.
#2 Barkley
#4 Nelson
#33
#34
#35
#65
#66
Get a generational do it all RB
Best O-lineman in the draft .
A chance to move back up and take a guy like Smith LB from Georgia
Take a center like Billy Price .
I love Odell but your gonna pay him a shit ton of money
He's is a bit injury prone maybe from over use but we
could do a lot of rebuilding with a trade I doubt Cleveland would make the deal .
Huh? To move back two spots? We would have the first 3 picks of the second round! I would take that in a heartbeat.
I think that the first 3 picks will all be QBs (with the Colts trading the pick to Denver, Jets or Buffalo) unless the Colts go Nelson or Chubb.
If the Browns really want Barkley they can probably still get him at 4.
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.
Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.
It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.
I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.
Just seems like a gamble to miss out on this class of QBs. If Luck doesn't return to top form, they can get out from his contract next year with only $12.8M in dead cap. Luck's Contract - ( New Window )
There will be good quarterbacks next year, and if that's the case, then you select a QB or the year after. *Only* $12.8M in dead cap?
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.
Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.
It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.
I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.
Just seems like a gamble to miss out on this class of QBs. If Luck doesn't return to top form, they can get out from his contract next year with only $12.8M in dead cap. Luck's Contract - ( New Window )
There will be good quarterbacks next year, and if that's the case, then you select a QB or the year after. *Only* $12.8M in dead cap?
$12.8M with Luck designated as a post-June 1st cut before his roster bonus is due only forces the Colts to carry the $12.8M hit until June 1 when it is reduced to $6.4M. Many on this board have advocated for Manning to be traded this off-season. Doing such would cause the full $12.4M dead cap to accelerate into the current year. If Manning was released, he could be designated as post-June 1st cut spreading the dead cap over 2 years.
While it sucks to have to eat a cap hit, it isn't insurmountable if designating the player as a post-June 1st cut especially if the player - in the case of Luck - is lame and unable to toss a ball.
I think that the first 3 picks will all be QBs (with the Colts trading the pick to Denver, Jets or Buffalo) unless the Colts go Nelson or Chubb.
If the Browns really want Barkley they can probably still get him at 4.
That's how I see it as well.
They aren’t paying Hyde all this money and using a number two pick to have them split the number of snaps
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see Indy taking a QB unless they trade Luck.
Has he even started to throw? Seems like a mystery whether he'll return to form. I know about the public remarks, but it seems like a huge gamble to count on him returning to form. The prudent coarse of action would be to pick a QB. If Luck shows no ill effect from the surgery, then you have a great back-up to develop and flip for picks later down the road. If he ends up pulling up lame, then the Colts would have some insurance with the new guy. I don't consider Jacoby as a long-term option to hedge their bets.
It's a gamble but it's one you have to take given the significant investment already in Luck, as well as the draft capital invested in Jacoby Brissett. If he comes back and returns to his top form, great for everyone. If he doesn't, you probably are going to be picking in the top 3 next year and then you re-evaluate if you can continue to wait on him.
I really believe Indy is going to trade out to someone and get more picks, because some team is going to want to move up, even if 2 out of the top 4 QBs are taken by their pick.
Just seems like a gamble to miss out on this class of QBs. If Luck doesn't return to top form, they can get out from his contract next year with only $12.8M in dead cap. Luck's Contract - ( New Window )
There will be good quarterbacks next year, and if that's the case, then you select a QB or the year after. *Only* $12.8M in dead cap?
$12.8M with Luck designated as a post-June 1st cut before his roster bonus is due only forces the Colts to carry the $12.8M hit until June 1 when it is reduced to $6.4M. Many on this board have advocated for Manning to be traded this off-season. Doing such would cause the full $12.4M dead cap to accelerate into the current year. If Manning was released, he could be designated as post-June 1st cut spreading the dead cap over 2 years.
While it sucks to have to eat a cap hit, it isn't insurmountable if designating the player as a post-June 1st cut especially if the player - in the case of Luck - is lame and unable to toss a ball.
Yes and that would be collosally stupid because then you have cut Andrew Luck when there is still a pretty good chance he will return to form, and he is a HOF level QB when healthy. So wtf would you do that now, take a cap hit, and hope the guy you get at 3 is good? It's still Andrew Luck and if you release that guy now you deserve to be fired and never work in the NFL again.