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Flowers to compete at RT (no mention of guard)

BigBlue4You09 : 3/15/2018 9:40 pm
Gettleman: "As soon as we announced the signing of Nate, Pat called Ereck to talk to him and said, 'Listen, we're going to move you to right, and at the end of the day, the five best offensive linemen play.' That's where they left it, and Ereck was fine on the phone."
Sounds good to me  
adamg : 3/15/2018 9:41 pm : link
May the best man win
Simple as that  
GoBlue6599 : 3/15/2018 9:43 pm : link
Nothing more needs to be said
Hes in a contract year  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/15/2018 9:44 pm : link
He has everything to lose by not earning that starting spot
Um, not only was there no mention of guard but there was  
robbieballs2003 : 3/15/2018 9:45 pm : link
no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.
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arcarsenal : 3/15/2018 9:46 pm : link
All he said was he's moving him to the right. There's no position mentioned either way.
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arcarsenal : 3/15/2018 9:46 pm : link
... or what Robbie said.
RE: Um, not only was there no mention of guard but there was  
Captplanet : 3/15/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13868450 robbieballs2003 said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.


I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT
Giants.com says RT  
bluepepper : 3/15/2018 9:50 pm : link
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I read that as anaphora for tackle  
adamg : 3/15/2018 9:51 pm : link
right ______ = right tackle

I could be misreading it, but that was my initial impression.
I'm rooting for Flowers.  
bceagle05 : 3/15/2018 9:51 pm : link
I'll chalk up some of his struggles to poor coaching and a toxic locker room.
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arcarsenal : 3/15/2018 9:52 pm : link
Here's the rest - it does appear they are talking about RT.

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Can Flowers be a contender at right tackle?

Absolutely, Gettleman said. He's a big, strong powerful kid and it's just a matter of getting used to playing over there.


I still think he may be better served in the interior. But what do I know...
RE: Um, not only was there no mention of guard but there was  
chopperhatch : 3/15/2018 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13868450 robbieballs2003 said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.


I mean....its very apprent he was referring to RT when he mentioned the signing of his replacement at left tackle. I GUESS he can be suggesting that he meant both positions G and T. But we are going to be prioritizing Flowers as a RT first.
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ThatLimerickGuy : 3/15/2018 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13868459 Captplanet said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT


Pugh isn't coming back he is signing early tomorrow with the Cards. That's a lock I just got that message from my friend in the agent office.
Whao!  
KeoweeFan : 3/15/2018 9:54 pm : link
Were both in NJ?
This is a conversation that needs more than a few minutes on the phone. (If I were the manager I would need to see what the reaction of the employee was real time.)
The Flowers/Hart clique syndrome needs to be smashed.
"Ereck was fine on the phone" is about as passive a response to a wake up call as you can get.
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bLiTz 2k : 3/15/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13868459 Captplanet said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT


So they paid Omameh to be a backup in your opinion?
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arcarsenal : 3/15/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 13868459 Captplanet said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT


Nearing a deal w/ ARZ per this link.
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BleedBlue : 3/15/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13868481 bLiTz 2k said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT



So they paid Omameh to be a backup in your opinion?


I agree I don't think Pugh coming back if he does he plays RT and we don't have to necessarily draft a guard high in draft
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christian : 3/15/2018 10:03 pm : link
I hope it works out for Pugh, but from his interviews he just didn't seem thrilled to be a Giant.

After all the whispers and bad blood in the media on that line, probably for the best to break up the band.
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Captplanet : 3/15/2018 10:05 pm : link
In comment 13868481 bLiTz 2k said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT



So they paid Omameh to be a backup in your opinion?


He also stated the best 5 will play. So Gettleman said to Flowers "We'll try you on the right side. Maybe RT or RG. All that we can say is the best 5 will play, good luck"

At no point did Gettleman say where, if anywhere Flowers will start.
RE: I'm rooting for Flowers.  
smshmth8690 : 3/15/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13868463 bceagle05 said:
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I'll chalk up some of his struggles to poor coaching and a toxic locker room.


Me too, but I'm sure if he has a good year at RT, he will go into free agency saying he wants to be a LT. I wouldn't blame him, but he'll be gone. Best case scenario, adequate starter, or solid backup, gone next year.
The best 5?  
SHO'NUFF : 3/15/2018 10:10 pm : link
So, jobs won't just be handed over to incumbents like in the previous regime?
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Captplanet : 3/15/2018 10:10 pm : link
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT



Pugh isn't coming back he is signing early tomorrow with the Cards. That's a lock I just got that message from my friend in the agent office.


I hear the reason he has not signed yet, is because Pugh took the Arizona deal to the Gmen for a counter. I just got a message from my friend who use to pump Eli's gas.
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christian : 3/15/2018 10:14 pm : link
If Flowers ends up at RT and his 5th year option is picked up, he'd be the highest paid RT in the league.
No need for them to mention G right now.  
Section331 : 3/15/2018 10:19 pm : link
Try him at RT, and if it doesnt work, worry about kicking him inside then.
A pass/fail test.  
old man : 3/15/2018 10:37 pm : link
Rooting for him, @ RG particularly.
I think in a short area he could flourish.
RE: Whao!  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2018 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13868477 KeoweeFan said:
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Were both in NJ?
This is a conversation that needs more than a few minutes on the phone. (If I were the manager I would need to see what the reaction of the employee was real time.)
The Flowers/Hart clique syndrome needs to be smashed.
"Ereck was fine on the phone" is about as passive a response to a wake up call as you can get.


CBA prevents extensive contact between coaches and players during the offseason until allowed during specific times.
RE: I'm rooting for Flowers.  
AcidTest : 3/15/2018 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13868463 bceagle05 said:
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I'll chalk up some of his struggles to poor coaching and a toxic locker room.


Agreed. He needs to get back to the rigor he displayed last offseason.
Why will RT be any different?  
Since1965 : 3/15/2018 11:23 pm : link
He can't handle quick pass rushers, so how does RT help? The only change I see is that Eli will at least see the guys who are pressuring or sacking him. Flowers needs to be at guard.
Man I'm really liking Gettleman.  
prdave73 : 3/15/2018 11:49 pm : link
So far has handled everything very well. Let's keep it going.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Um, not only was there no mention of guard but there was  
FranknWeezer : 3/16/2018 12:18 am : link
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT



Pugh isn't coming back he is signing early tomorrow with the Cards. That's a lock I just got that message from my friend in the agent office.



I hear the reason he has not signed yet, is because Pugh took the Arizona deal to the Gmen for a counter. I just got a message from my friend who use to pump Eli's gas.


Hey genius. Guy who thinks we just signed Omameh to pick weeds around Giants HQ. Limerick is a valued poster with connections. Take your bullshit back over to Giants.com if you dont care for his input.
As of now, and according to their needs  
Bill in UT : 3/16/2018 12:42 am : link
and the strength of the draft, the Giants go Guard in Rd. 2 and maybe RT in round 4. It's now Flowers, Bisnowaty and Wheeler competing for RT, none of them a sure thing.
RE: Why will RT be any different?  
Existenz : 3/16/2018 1:09 am : link
In comment 13868579 Since1965 said:
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He can't handle quick pass rushers, so how does RT help? The only change I see is that Eli will at least see the guys who are pressuring or sacking him. Flowers needs to be at guard.


If he's right handed and technique being an issue for him, maybe the move works out for him. If it doesn't it will be known early and the new regime seems unlikely to let him sit at RT if it doesn't work out
We'll try you at Right...  
M.S. : 3/16/2018 1:20 am : link
...that means right tackle in the context of DG's statement.

He didn't say, "The right," as on "the right side."

DG said, "At right," as in right tackle.

I read right as shorthand for right tackle  
Vanzetti : 3/16/2018 2:46 am : link
And I think Flowers is going to surprise. He is still a kid and has all the tools
This is such an offseason thread.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2018 3:28 am : link
"We told him we'd move you to right"

"Clearly this means RT"
"He didn't specifically say Tackle!"
"Why wasn't the conversation longer!?"
"What does this mean?!"
Moving him to the right?  
jeff57 : 3/16/2018 5:07 am : link
Maybe he meant LG.
Questions-  
Jerz44 : 3/16/2018 5:13 am : link
Tagging onto this thread cause didn't want to start a new one.

I missed most of last season. I know Flowers isn't great, but I thought I read he actually wasn't doing that bad the 2nd half of last year.

Also, I thought Wheeler was doing well. Any truth to that?

Personally, I like Flowers at RG.

Wheeler  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2018 5:23 am : link
Not enough to have a solid opinion. He was okay against the Chiefs and got demolished against the redskins. Tough assignment, but still a bad game.

Deserve to compete for a job and show how he's gotten better.
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FStubbs : 3/16/2018 6:26 am : link
In comment 13868476 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT



Pugh isn't coming back he is signing early tomorrow with the Cards. That's a lock I just got that message from my friend in the agent office.


Yeah, it's been pretty clear for a couple of years now that Pugh wanted out.
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Diver_Down : 3/16/2018 6:59 am : link
In comment 13868504 christian said:
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If Flowers ends up at RT and his 5th year option is picked up, he'd be the highest paid RT in the league.


The 5th year option deadline is in the beginning of May 2018. Based on his body of work to date, I'm 99.99% confident that the Giants will not elect to pickup his option and guarantee $14.4M.
Flowers will get a long look at RT first  
JonC : 3/16/2018 7:41 am : link
let common sense prevail.
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Brown Recluse : 3/16/2018 7:44 am : link
In comment 13868501 Captplanet said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT



Pugh isn't coming back he is signing early tomorrow with the Cards. That's a lock I just got that message from my friend in the agent office.



I hear the reason he has not signed yet, is because Pugh took the Arizona deal to the Gmen for a counter. I just got a message from my friend who use to pump Eli's gas.


By your powers combined... I, am....
RE: Moving him to the right?  
M.S. : 3/16/2018 8:27 am : link
In comment 13868641 jeff57 said:
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Maybe he meant LG.

He didn't say, "THE right!!!"

He said, "Right."

Big difference!
I am going out on a limb and say Mr. Flowers will be  
Jimmy Googs : 3/16/2018 8:30 am : link
outside-looking in at a starting gig at Right Tackle.

Unfortunately (or fortunately) the range of possibilities for him this upcoming season go from:

-Showing he is a team player, developing his craft and stepping up to take an opportunity and finding a career as a Right Tackle

to

-Coming into camp with the continued isolation-type attitude, not improving his technique, moving down to the second team all summer ,and never seeing an offensive snap during the regular season
To All The Posters Who Think The Giants Are Moving Flowers to RG  
Jim in Tampa : 3/16/2018 8:35 am : link
When a coach is speaking to a LT and says, "we're going to move you to RIGHT" it means RT. If Shurmur was thinking RT or RG he would have been a little more specific.
Agree, he obviously mean Right Tackle  
Jimmy Googs : 3/16/2018 8:38 am : link
what is all this speculation to Guard about?? Is this just some on BBI waiting to spring up and say "I always said he would make a better GGuard than Tackle" thing?
Not that anyone here cares what they think but PFF is skeptical  
pjcas18 : 3/16/2018 8:40 am : link
of this move.

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Sam Monson
‏Verified account @PFF_Sam
40m40 minutes ago

So Ereck Flowers moves to the right side because he can't handle LT.
All he has to face that side in 2018 is:
DeMarcus Lawrence x2
Ryan Kerrigan X2
Brandon Graham X2
Whitney Mercilus
Vic Beasley
Cam Jordan.

This can only go well.
H/t @PFF_Ben
If he can't lock up a starting gig  
JonC : 3/16/2018 8:41 am : link
he gone and good riddance.
RE: If he can't lock up a starting gig  
Capt. Don : 3/16/2018 9:06 am : link
In comment 13868751 JonC said:
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he gone and good riddance.


Totally agree. He has rumored to be disconnected from teammates as a starter. As a backup he will be no better.
Put him at Guard - He should be much better there  
PatersonPlank : 3/16/2018 10:40 am : link
I have my concerns about him at RT, same as LT. Still our OL is going to be much improved either way:

Solder-OM-Jones-Draft (Hernandez?)-Flowers
or
Solder-OM-Jones-Flowers-Wheeler
RE: RE: Um, not only was there no mention of guard but there was  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/16/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 13868459 Captplanet said:
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no mention of tackle. They just said we are moving you to the right and the best 5 will play.



I was just going to make that point. He could end up at RG. I have a feeling Pugh will be back, and he stays at LG. That makes our line.
Flowers RT
Jerry RG
Jones C
Pugh LG
Solder LT


You are clueless.

Solder - Omaheh - Jones - Flowers - Wheeler
RE: If he can't lock up a starting gig  
Jay on the Island : 3/16/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 13868751 JonC said:
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he gone and good riddance.

Agreed, if he can't win the starting spot at RG or RT I don't want him on the team. I am worried how he will behave if he is demoted to a backup role. I doubt he will be a good soldier about it. Regardless of how he plays this is Flowers' last season with the Giants IMO.
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