What's your absolute-lock remote-thrower of a 1-2 draft

or punter kicker, any combo of those two.

You can even say kicker kicker or punter punter

maybe add long snapper into the mix.

I can think of many variations that should result in a remote throw.

good thread.

I love Nelson but the only thing I wouldnt be on board with is taking him over Barkley.

Barkley or a qb

Traded down out of top 10 I d be very disappointed.

But, I d be disappointed if they trade down at all

No clue what Gettleman is thinking.

I love Barkley at 2. I would not mind QB at 2. I would be happy with a trade back to 5 or 6 and get a 2019 1st, 2018 2nd and other picks and take Nelson, QB, Chubb (if he fell) or Fitz(if nelson is gone).

I would accept Nelson at 2 if DG is very high on him.

I do not want to trade any further (like 12 with Buffalo) as we lose out shot at a blue chip player (IMHO).

play in 2018...

so it's pretty hard for the Giants to pick a remote thrower this year. That said, I think I get pissy if we get someone with our first pick who plays a position that isn't quite in need of desperate help as others. Thus, a DL, CB, WR, or TE would make me pout - and yes, I know we're thin at three of those four positions, but not like we are at, y'know, all the others.

With any of the picks that have been rumored for NY except Allen. I just think he is a bust, don't want a pick at 2 based on how we project he develops. We would be hoping a QB coach can teach him to throw with anticipation and more accuracy than he has ever shown. He might be great. I want to mitigate risk at 2.

based on who's selected in the draft. Why the hell did they need a 3rd pass rusher with Strahan and Osi on board?Nelson and Barkley are highly rated for their positions (both of need). QB is understandable - but no one knows which one. Fitzpatrick fills a need. Chubb could be explained. Trading down and gathering additional 1s, or high end 2s would also be fine considering the holes in the roster and current salary cap space. I might take a battery out and toss it at one of the kids if they trade up.

Really hope they don't do that. I'd have to leave the living room after throwing that remote, then head to the basement and throw THAT one, too.

Trading down might not make me throw up in my mouth. Would just depend on the return. Would be a bummer watching Barkley/Nelson kick ass elsewhere. But a boat load of logical picks in the first three rounds ... never know.

Mayfield is already at his ceiling, Jackson has back-up written all over him.

Please get a franchise QB.

...and if by some manner they have decided Webb is that guy, then trade down, load up on picks, and stay within the top 10 to get Nelson.

about pretty much anyone they take because they are professionals and I am not.

They have put untold hours and resources into this pick and I have watched a few video highlights on youtube.

For me to be upset with a pick as it happens in real time would be the height of arrogance.

Now, 2-3 years after the fact, I will Monday Morning Quarterback the shit out of the pick if they get it wrong.

In comment 13868785 Tom in NY said:

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Mayfield is already at his ceiling, Jackson has back-up written all over him. Please get a franchise QB. ...and if by some manner they have decided Webb is that guy, then trade down, load up on picks, and stay within the top 10 to get Nelson.

agree those guys are remote throwers plus allen. I'd also like to stay in the top 10 and would be excited about a number of guys

But a flowers/Apple type of pick would really piss me off. Some guy not in the discussion anywhere and our GM thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.

Just land one of the "blue chippers", Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Barkley, Nelson, Chubb or Fitzpatrick.

is beyond me.

It would be almost impossible for giants not to come away a good player at #2 this year (aside from maybe trading way down in draft..which is highly unlikely)

I really think the Giants need to choose the QB they like the best at 2.

By all accounts there are at least three QBs who are worthy of a top 5 pick. The Giants need a QB and likely won't be in this position again anytime soon.

I could live with Barkley because at least they would be getting what many people feel is the best player in the draft at a key position. And the thought of Barkley and OBJ teaming up in the same offense would be exciting.

But a f**king guard at 2? I don't care if Nelson ends up going to 15 straight pro bowls and is regarded as the best NFL guard ever. HE'S STILL A GUARD!!!

There's a reason why no team has ever traded up to the #2 spot to take a guard.

There's a reason why no GM has ever said (or even thought) "I hope we can land an all-pro caliber guard, because that's the missing piece to a Super Bowl run."

Teams trade up to 2 for a QB. Teams pick QBs at 2...not guards.

And having an all-pro guard to protect what will likely be a long succession of shitty NYG QBs like Graham, Brown, Kanell and Collins, shouldn't appeal to anyone.

The Giants should still be able to get a solid G at 34.

The Giants also just used their FA $$$ to sign a very good LT, a starting G and they are zeroing in on a C. You can build a very good OL with cash and other draft picks. When was the last time a real franchise QB was made available in free agency?

I would consider picking a guard at 2 to be gross negligence and it would be my all-time "throw the remote" pick.

so I am not throwing anything.

For the team this year
I’m very much in the Barkley camp in first round

The Bettcher type defense involves a lot of three safety looks with one of the safety’s being a hybrid type and getting near the line of scrimmage
If a type free safety is available in second round such as
Ronnie Harrison or even a Quinn Blanding in the third I think Bettchers defensive scheme will really benefit

if the Giants go QB I won't throw the remote, but I'll swear in disgust and probably turn the TV off because I don't want to even know who swooped up Barkley, Nelson, Chubb, or any of the top flight players at a skill position or a defensive stud

For me to throw the remote. I find it hard to believe that the Giants would not draft Barkely, Rosen, Darnold, Chubb, or Nelson with the 2 pick. Or trade back. None of those would cause a remote toss for me.

but Barkley or a QB at #2. I'm fine with trading down if they don't like a QB, but Nelson or Chubb at #2 and I'll need a new remote.

If the Browns take Barkley at #1 and they don't believe any of the QBs are franchise guys, then look to trade back to the 4-6 range ad still get one of Chubb, Fitzpatrick or Nelson. If no trade back is available, Chubb would be my pick. But I can't believe the Giants would not take one of the QBs with all of them on the board at #2.

The other thing I do not want to see is trading out of the top 6. We have a chance to get a game changing talent this year and have them relatively cheap for the next five years. I don't want to see that turned into 3 or 4 roster fillers we hope will turn into NFL players.

I Will Get Excited...
Capt. Don : 9:03 am : link : reply
about pretty much anyone they take because they are professionals and I am not.

Didn't we have professionals the last 7 seasons?

has to be an impact player...a guard is not...

Would not give me a chubby.

or Nelson in a small trade down.

anything else would prob piss me off.

or trade down would be a mistake. I wouldn't agree with picking Barkley, but would be happy to have him on the team.

In comment 13868823 Jim in Tampa said:

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I really think the Giants need to choose the QB they like the best at 2. By all accounts there are at least three QBs who are worthy of a top 5 pick. The Giants need a QB and likely won't be in this position again anytime soon. I could live with Barkley because at least they would be getting what many people feel is the best player in the draft at a key position. And the thought of Barkley and OBJ teaming up in the same offense would be exciting. +10! But a f**king guard at 2? I don't care if Nelson ends up going to 15 straight pro bowls and is regarded as the best NFL guard ever. HE'S STILL A GUARD!!! There's a reason why no team has ever traded up to the #2 spot to take a guard. There's a reason why no GM has ever said (or even thought) "I hope we can land an all-pro caliber guard, because that's the missing piece to a Super Bowl run." Teams trade up to 2 for a QB. Teams pick QBs at 2...not guards. And having an all-pro guard to protect what will likely be a long succession of shitty NYG QBs like Graham, Brown, Kanell and Collins, shouldn't appeal to anyone. The Giants should still be able to get a solid G at 34. The Giants also just used their FA $$$ to sign a very good LT, a starting G and they are zeroing in on a C. You can build a very good OL with cash and other draft picks. When was the last time a real franchise QB was made available in free agency? I would consider picking a guard at 2 to be gross negligence and it would be my all-time "throw the remote" pick.

that I'm ok with all the 6 top picks at 2.

Barkley - Good
Darnold - Good
Allen - Good
Rosen - Good
Nelson - Good
Chubb - Good

I'd prefer a QB but hey I'm no talent scout.

I agree 10 times over.

Great discussion about the 2nd pick. One argument was that the owner said this team will be good this year, in other words we're not rebuilding but retooling. If that's the case we don't take a QB at 2 who is going to sit on the bench for a couple of years. Eli is the QB and Webb is the current backup. At 2 you need yo take a player that will contribute in year one. Under those circumstances you take Nelson, Barkley, Fitzpatrick or Chubb. There may be others but these four would have an immediate impact in year one.

For all of those who want a QB you can win in this league with an average QB (i.e. Trent Dilfer) as long as you have a great defense and talent on the OL and skill positions. I wouldn't want to move down any farther than #7 so we have a shot at one of these 4 while picking up more picks.

In comment 13868881 Doomster said:

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I Will Get Excited... Capt. Don : 9:03 am : link : reply about pretty much anyone they take because they are professionals and I am not. Didn't we have professionals the last 7 seasons?

Yes and in those 7 seasons I did not know any more than they did either. And neither did you.

Its not to say that they werent wrong. They obviously were but I certainly did not know they were wrong at the time and neither did you or anyone else.

And they turn around and trade that pick to Eagles for Foles. I might throw my remote. Imagine eagles getting barkley... lol

LOVED the Ron Dayne pick

I didn't see the point in blowing all those picks for Manning when SEAN TAYLOR was available.

And - I HATED the LT pick. I wanted George Rogers BAD. Giants didn't need another linebacker.

:D

...I don't get worked up over the draft any more.

throw remote, if it isn't a QB crowd. Eli has had no Oline since 2011 and that line was not great. He has had not RB that scares the defense, since Bradshaw and Jacobs. If DG and PS still feel he has 2 or 3 years left in the tank, why not run with him. Nobody is asking for Rothlisberger, Rivers or Breeze to retire. At least they had Olines and RBs to work with. Taking a QB at #2 with the presumed intention of keeping Eli for 2 to 3 years would be a waste of pick. They still have some talent on this team also. Why not reload instead of blowing things up. I get taking a QB, if they feel Eli is not the answer in 2 to 3 years. I just don't think that DG and PS believe he is done. Who are we to judge them and throw a remote over the fact that they may not take a QB. They have far more experience in judging player personell than we do. Let's see what they do.

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In comment 13868982 x meadowlander said:

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LOVED the Ron Dayne pick I didn't see the point in blowing all those picks for Manning when SEAN TAYLOR was available. And - I HATED the LT pick. I wanted George Rogers BAD. Giants didn't need another linebacker. :D

Same here. That sums it up. We know jack shit.

I would be disappointed if they use the top two picks for a QB, RB, WR, or DT. I prefer they trade down and get a OG, OC, LB, DE, CB or S. With the QBs I prefer waiting to round 3 or later and get a QB like Lauletta, Benkert, Ferguson, Falk or White. I feel the top quarterbacks are a reach at #2 and none are "elite".

But I have a Giants tape dispenser on my desk at work. In front of it, on a blue post it note reads:

"Barkley no matter what"

In comment 13868823 Jim in Tampa said:

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I really think the Giants need to choose the QB they like the best at 2. By all accounts there are at least three QBs who are worthy of a top 5 pick. The Giants need a QB and likely won't be in this position again anytime soon. I could live with Barkley because at least they would be getting what many people feel is the best player in the draft at a key position. And the thought of Barkley and OBJ teaming up in the same offense would be exciting. But a f**king guard at 2? I don't care if Nelson ends up going to 15 straight pro bowls and is regarded as the best NFL guard ever. HE'S STILL A GUARD!!! There's a reason why no team has ever traded up to the #2 spot to take a guard. There's a reason why no GM has ever said (or even thought) "I hope we can land an all-pro caliber guard, because that's the missing piece to a Super Bowl run." Teams trade up to 2 for a QB. Teams pick QBs at 2...not guards. And having an all-pro guard to protect what will likely be a long succession of shitty NYG QBs like Graham, Brown, Kanell and Collins, shouldn't appeal to anyone. The Giants should still be able to get a solid G at 34. The Giants also just used their FA $$$ to sign a very good LT, a starting G and they are zeroing in on a C. You can build a very good OL with cash and other draft picks. When was the last time a real franchise QB was made available in free agency? I would consider picking a guard at 2 to be gross negligence and it would be my all-time "throw the remote" pick.

Awesome totally agree.

other than Barkley, Rosen or Darnold in the first round.

If we take Chubb @ 2, I'll be very pissed.

I'm a broken record on this - but I need one of these four players:

Rosen
Barkley
Nelson
Fitzpatrick

To me, those are the best 4 players in this draft. All have elite, top tier upside at their positions and all can be game changers.

If we don't trade down, we should take Rosen or Barkley.

If we do move down slightly, it can't be far enough that we miss on Nelson and Fitzpatrick, so we'd only be able to move down a few spots.

But the bottom line is that for me, NYG have to come away with one of those guys or else I think it'll be a pretty big mistake.

only because I would consider it a wasted pick; same as if we had let the time elapse without sending an envelope up.

I would hate Darnold over Barkley but I wouldn't throw the remote. I would not throw the remote over Nelson but I would be disappointed since I view him as the most likely for us to get after moving down, so I would regret the lost additional pick.

but Rosen

and we should be able to find our next franchise QB or a premium talent at a premium position even if we trade down a few spots.

I believe in our new regime and we are going into the right direction. 3-13 can't be fixed in one year.

It's rare to have the 2nd pick, it's loaded with value that could completely transform your franchise. So I'm cool with any of the above. At QB, I have strong preference toward Mayfield and Rosen, and while I'm not too hot on Allen or Darnold, I would trust the Giants judgement if they were willing to take the kind of risk inherent with a top QB. Barkley is just so rare, so safe and would have such an immediate impact that I couldn't fault the Giants for taking him. Plus he's an easy guy to root for. And a bounty of picks, in the right hands, can completely transform a franchise and set themselves up for a run. The ability to lock in 3-4 cost controlled starters for 4-5 years, maybe 1-2 with pro bowl ability, gives you the freedom to do a lot with your roster.

The other blue chip studs? Great players but I don't see the transformative impact that I would expect from this pick. I want the Giants to aim big.

In comment 13868886 Doomster said:

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has to be an impact player...a guard is not...

Madden said if he got back into coaching, and had to choose one player, it would be Larry Allen.

I would project Nelson somewhere between an Allen and Snee. Getting a Snee at 2 would not be a total disaster.

1A) Trading up to the 1st overall, giving up our 2nd round pick and picking Rosen (I would be on suicide watch).

1B) Trading up to the 1st overall, giving up our 2nd round pick and picking Mayfield (I might be on suicide watch).

1C) Trading up to the 1st overall, giving up our 2nd round pick and picking Allen.

1D) Trading up to the 1st overall, giving up our 2nd round pick and picking Darnold.


2A) Picking Rosen with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available

2B) Picking Fitzpatrick with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available

2C) Picking Mayfield with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available

2D) Picking Chubb with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available

2E) Picking Allen with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available

2F) Picking Darnold with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available

2G) Picking Nelson with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available


3) Trading down from 2nd overall, getting poor value, with Barkley still available


4A) Picking Rosen with 2nd overall, with Barkley gone and Darnold available

4B) Picking Mayfield with 2nd overall, with Barkley gone and Darnold available

4C) Picking Chubb with 2nd overall, with Barkley gone and Darnold available

In comment 13869814 Trainmaster said:

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1A) Trading up to the 1st overall, giving up our 2nd round pick and picking Rosen (I would be on suicide watch). 1B) Trading up to the 1st overall, giving up our 2nd round pick and picking Mayfield (I might be on suicide watch). 1C) Trading up to the 1st overall, giving up our 2nd round pick and picking Allen. 1D) Trading up to the 1st overall, giving up our 2nd round pick and picking Darnold. 2A) Picking Rosen with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available 2B) Picking Fitzpatrick with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available 2C) Picking Mayfield with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available 2D) Picking Chubb with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available 2E) Picking Allen with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available 2F) Picking Darnold with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available 2G) Picking Nelson with 2nd overall pick with Barkley available 3) Trading down from 2nd overall, getting poor value, with Barkley still available 4A) Picking Rosen with 2nd overall, with Barkley gone and Darnold available 4B) Picking Mayfield with 2nd overall, with Barkley gone and Darnold available 4C) Picking Chubb with 2nd overall, with Barkley gone and Darnold available

LOL. With that long a list there's a very good chance your TV remote's days are numbered.

In comment 13869486 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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In comment 13868886 Doomster said: Quote: has to be an impact player...a guard is not... Madden said if he got back into coaching, and had to choose one player, it would be Larry Allen. I would project Nelson somewhere between an Allen and Snee. Getting a Snee at 2 would not be a total disaster.

Larry Allen was the best offensive lineman I have ever seen. He could not only play four positions, he could play all four at a pro-bowl level. So if Nelson is Larry Allen, yes you take him at #2. Is Nelson Larry Allen?

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In comment 13873594 Beezer said:

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Really? Who?

Who is saying that he can play all four positions at a pro bowl level?

No need. Outside of that, although I want Barkley, I would not be mad if we took a QB or trade down. We are in great shape here.