Can Nelson at pick two happen.......absolutely!

We could get Rosen or Darnold or Allen based on who DG and PS like best. If none of the QBs available merit the #2 pick we could get Barkley or Nelson. We very well might trade down. Who the hell knows. We have absolutely no idea what will happen and this makes it the single most interesting off season since 2004.

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I would love to move down to 5/6 and get an extra 2nd and a 2019 1st rd.

He's a fucking guard. I think people's desire to improve the line makes them forego any semblance of value.

we just did more upgrades to our line that we've done in 5+ years. I think we are set up nicely for QB or Barkley. Picking a Guard at 2 seems like a horrendous allocation of resources no matter how good that player is. The only, and I mean only way I see it happening is if he projects to RT but even then I think we will have an adequate solution there.

If they decide on a QB or to not pick a QB, that’s fine.

Close to throwing the remote is if the pick is not a QB, Barkley, Nelson or a trade down.

QB's can go higher than their value but if they don't Nelson and Barkley are one and two.

We will maximize the value of that pick. A trade down or QB does that.

I agree completely. It's funny that some who say trade down for guard are the same that want us to reach for one of the QBs based on need

Overkill can not be underestimated.

after years of reading about best player available on BBI, the consensus seems to be that that doesnt apply to QBs.

I don't think too many people would dispute that Barkley and Nelson are the #1 and #2 best players in the draft. That is to say scouts seem to be the most certain that these two guys will not only start right away, but they'll be impact players.

As it relates to Nelson. I wouldn't take him over Barkley. If Barkley's gone, I'd LOVE to be able to make a slight trade back and take him in the 4-6 range. However, he's so good that you risk losing him there.

Depending on how you have the QBs rated, I don't think it's crazy to suggest the idea of Nelson at 2. He's that good. And there are other factors that they will likely consider such as what they think of Webb's future or lack thereof.

If the Giants pass on a franchise QB for a guard, I will cry myself to sleep for quite a while.

In comment 13868799 wgenesis123 said:

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QB's can go higher than their value but if they don't Nelson and Barkley are one and two.

Says you. Not to be a dick, but this is simply your opinion.

it's pretty widely accepted that Barkley and Nelson are the top 2 prospects in this draft.

Darnold or Barkley.

In comment 13868824 JonC said:

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Darnold or Barkley.

Anything other than this surprises the hell out of me.And I think the only way it's not Darnold is if Cleveland picks him.

In comment 13868819 Chris684 said:

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it's pretty widely accepted that Barkley and Nelson are the top 2 prospects in this draft.

And that's fine, they might be. Maybe they aren't. 32 teams won't have the same players ranked the same anyway.

In any case, I don't think we take a Guard at 2. The value simply isn't there.

They should trade down for better value.

If Cleveland goes Barkley, I am sure other teams will have approached the Giants, way before the draft, to set up a trade scenario, that Gettleman can pick from for a trade down....or, if he has his eyes on a qb, so be it.....

There is too much value at the first two picks to settle for a guard...

If Cleveland goes QB, then it really gets interesting.....Barkley, a QB if it's the One DG wanted all along, or if someone comes a knockin' with a big trade down(and DG is not enamored with the QB's left).....

I think DG is playing both sides of the fence.....he is not in full rebuild, but he is rebuilding the roster, just in case free agents pan out and his plan for the draft works out.....it could backfire on him.....but at least it looks like he has some sort of plan, something I never felt with Reese, these last 7 seasons....

Nelson specifically in a trade down say around 5-6

Or I might be remote throwing.

should realize the absolute same thing about Barkley.

Kareem Hunt
Alvin Kamara
Chris Johnson (24th in the 1st round)

there are many many others.

In comment 13868824 JonC said:

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Darnold or Barkley.

Rosen is better than Darnold. I hope its Rosen or Barkley (selfishly) but I also realize picking a RB 2 overall is not very smart...

Nelson is the best player in the draft and he will most likely not be available through any trade down scenario. The Colts GM supposedly loves him at #3 and the talk at the Combine according to reports was that Denver loves him too.

Take Nelson at #2 and Guice or Michel at #34 and get back to smashmouth!

....Barkley/Nelson/Chubb are at the top of our draft board and I believe it.

The Giants better damn sure believe that Webb is the future Qb or that eli has AT LEAST 3 good years left with an even average OL

If they pass on a franchise QB for a Guard or a RB even as good as Nelson/Barkley, they'll be kicking their own ass.

In comment 13868878 Nysportsfn13 said:

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should realize the absolute same thing about Barkley. Kareem Hunt Alvin Kamara Chris Johnson (24th in the 1st round) there are many many others.

+1

Incredible how OG is perceived by so many as less important than running back. If anything the former matters more now than it used to with edge rushers so much better and that need for good push up the middle so the QB can step up in the pocket.

Barkley is a hell of a talent but you cant pretend high injury risk doesnt exist at that position.

Hopefully we really like one of these QBs, for valid reasons, and we just grab him. Chances are we won't be picking this high again any time soon -- it takes a lot of bad luck to go 3-13, i dont care who is on your opening day roster (everyone was sure the Jets would pick #1 last opening day) -- so the chance to acquire a franchise QB will not happen often.

then the could trade their 4th pick or select Barkley if he's there.

In comment 13868805 yatqb said:

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We will maximize the value of that pick. A trade down or QB does that.

This is my hope.

actually thrown a remote but if we stay at 2 and take a guard over Saquon Barkley I might do it

Will not be worth the #2 pick seems to be a repeating theme.

More likely is the Giants believe more than one qualifies for that pick.

I will be greatly surprised if the Giants don t go quarterback here.

Gettleman is trying to set this franchise up for the next 10 to 15 years, not the next 2 or 3

Its kind of silly to take one at #2. And as much as i like Barkley I would have no issue if they passed on him as well.

I think its Darnold, Barkley or trade down as the options IMO.

In comment 13868892 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13868878 Nysportsfn13 said: Quote: should realize the absolute same thing about Barkley. Kareem Hunt Alvin Kamara Chris Johnson (24th in the 1st round) there are many many others. +1 Incredible how OG is perceived by so many as less important than running back. If anything the former matters more now than it used to with edge rushers so much better and that need for good push up the middle so the QB can step up in the pocket. Barkley is a hell of a talent but you cant pretend high injury risk doesnt exist at that position. Hopefully we really like one of these QBs, for valid reasons, and we just grab him. Chances are we won't be picking this high again any time soon -- it takes a lot of bad luck to go 3-13, i dont care who is on your opening day roster (everyone was sure the Jets would pick #1 last opening day) -- so the chance to acquire a franchise QB will not happen often.

Naming laterround RBs doesn’t really help. How many swings and misses did it take until one of those later round guys worked out? It sure as hell hasn’t worked out here since AB and even then he wasn’t a gamechanging RB. We’ve gotten jack shit with out mid round RB selections.

In Shurmurs offense having Barkley would be insane paired with Beckham and Engram. We just upgraded LT and G, something we haven’t done in ages. All signs point to Barkley over Nelson if our QB is gone, IMO.

let's see if it changes over the next six weeks.

In comment 13868772 Bold Ruler said:

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We could get Rosen or Darnold or Allen based on who DG and PS like best. If none of the QBs available merit the #2 pick we could get Barkley or Nelson. We very well might trade down. Who the hell knows. We have absolutely no idea what will happen and this makes it the single most interesting off season since 2004.

I would take Rosen, but you're right, we can go in so many directions,i think we are in a very good position and i believe in our new GM !!!

If the Giants want Nelson they should trade down a few spots.
There are 6-7 players that are Blue Chip.
Barkley, Chubb, Fitzgerald, (3-4) QBs, and Nelson.

If the Giants trade out of the second pick but stay in the top 6-7 they will get a very good player and likely Nelson.

It is likely that Barkley, Chubb, and 2-3 of the QBs will be off the board before Nelson.
So the Giants should not trade beyond the 5th pick to guarantee a blue chip of their choice.

In comment 13868794 BestFeature said:

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He's a fucking guard. I think people's desire to improve the line makes them forego any semblance of value.

Seriously. People want to pass up on a potential franchise QB for a fucking guard.

If people have issues with ALL of Darnold/Mayfield/Allen/Rosen, then they will have issues with any crop of QBs in any given year - especially those that can't be picked after the top 5.

will undoubtedly go down in history as a complete moron if he takes a guard and any of the QBs are good. If they become it will never end. I also think if he takes Nelson at 2 it shows he doesn’t have the courage to take a risk, you have to take risks sometimes.

I forget I am not young anymore but being around after Simms and really until Eli was brutal years. We made a run once with Collins and got crushed by a great team. Outside of that we were horrible.

In comment 13869116 mattyblue said:

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will undoubtedly go down in history as a complete moron if he takes a guard and any of the QBs are good. If they become great it will never end. I also think if he takes Nelson at 2 it shows he doesn’t have the courage to take a risk, you have to take risks sometiumes. I forget I am not young anymore but being around after Simms and really until Eli were brutal years. We made a run once with Collins and got crushed by a great team. Outside of that we were horrible.

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....since our franchise Guard (Snee) went off into retirement?

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Is pure lunacy, complete insanity. He may be a great player, he is also a OG. It's very likely you can find a competent or even good player outside of #2 where a majority of these players are taken

In comment 13868819 Chris684 said:

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it's pretty widely accepted that Barkley and Nelson are the top 2 prospects in this draft.

well then lets see if they go 1-2

trump everything. Just because Barkley and Nelson are the best rated "players" does not mean they'll go 1-2. It never happens that way.

If Barkley is available, you take him. If not, you take a quarterback IF AND ONLY IF you believe unequivocally that he is the next Andrew Luck and NOT the next Ryan Leaf. If you are even the slightest bit uncertain, you do your best to trade the pick for the maximum bundle of value possible. With the resulting first round pick in the bundle, you pick the best player available - someone who will be all pro/HOF player irrespective of position. In this year's draft, that would be Nelson, Chubb or Fitzpatrick in that order... Then you focus on need by position. After free agency and trades, Giants need OL, RB, DB and WR in that order. In best of all worlds assuming Barkley is unavailable and no quarterback meets the Andrew Luck test, Giants would get Nelson plus a bundle of picks that address these four needs...

using your criteria of having the slightest doubt would have prevented the Giants from Drafting Eli or Simms.

In comment 13869728 joeinpa said:

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using your criteria of having the slightest doubt would have prevented the Giants from Drafting Eli or Simms.

Fair point, but they did not have a healthy Eli Manning playing quarterback in 1979 or 2004 when they drafted Simms or Eli. I am in the camp that says that Eli has at least two more years left ala the longevity of his brother or of Brees and Brady. If you think Eli is done, then I agree with you, although there are any number of quarterbacks in this draft that can be had in the second or third rounds that are pretty good and come with no risk - Kyle Lauletta from Richmond and Tanner Lee from Nebraska being two of them. And we still have no idea what we have in Davis Webb whose college game films look very good... I agree with you if you believe that any of the top rated quarterbacks are future franchise quarterbacks. But I am not so sure and don't think Gettleman will make such a risky bet with this franchise unless he is absolutely certain....

Patriots Ernie Accorsi said to his son "If he is who we thought he is now is when he will prove it". Even at that moment there still was some little doubt. There are no sure things with QB's only gut feelings! If DG picks a QB people need to understand that no matter how strongly he feels its a huge gamble. You can't get a QB in round one without making a huge gamble.

The comparison that changed my mind was Odell vs. Zach Martin. Reese correctly concluded that a star at a skill position is more valuable than a star at guard.

Considering that I think Barkley will be a star, I say he's an easy pick over Nelson. If you think any of the QBs or Minkah will be really good, take them. Or just trade down.

I think taking Nelson at 2 should be more of a last resort thing--if they really don't like the other talent and really cant trade down.

If you think Barkley and the QBs aren't anything special, but Nelson is the next Larry Allen, then you bite the bullet and you take him. Even at #2.

In comment 13868946 JonC said:

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let's see if it changes over the next six weeks.

In that order?

In comment 13870009 FStubbs said:

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If you think Barkley and the QBs aren't anything special, but Nelson is the next Larry Allen, then you bite the bullet and you take him. Even at #2.

Yup, that was my caveat at the end. But Minkah plays a skill position as well. Really, the Giants would have to not like A LOT of guys to justify taking hjim at 2. (At least using my logic that skill positions are more important.)