So how are you feeling about next season now?

As of now I think this is a 7-9 to 8-8 team.

there are about 4-6 teams that get back into the playoffs and are replaced by other teams. I think the Giants can be one of those other teams!

4-6 teams that DON'T get back into the playoffs

I don't want to be a wet blanket, but...I think we really need OBJ to come back and play at his normal level and I am concerned he'll be able to do that.

Also, we are so far behind the Eagles. I get less excited if I feel we are really competing for 2nd place. I hope I'm wrong.

is very tough

units - the o-line and the linebacking corps. Not that we're finished with either, but they should both be better. I'm a little nervous about letting DRC go, after what happened with Apple.

In comment 13869204 GmeninPSL said:

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4-6 teams that DON'T get back into the playoffs

Isn’t it more ham that? Could have sworn it was 6-8...

so I am cautiously optimistic about next season, but there is a long way to go. Significant upgrades to the OL and LB corps and hopeful that we’ll have a strong draft.

What we do with the #1 pick will seriously impact next season. If we go QB without a trade down we're losing an impact position player that could pay big dividends on the field. So I'll withhold an opinion until after the Draft on a prediction.

I will say this, I like the 'decision tree' of DG and Shurmur as it has unfolded to date. Their philosophy on what it takes to compete and win is much more intelligent and focused than Reese and Co.

I think the Stewart deal was a significant overpay for the durability and production I expect to get out of him but that position group needs a leader and a 'culture' guy so that played into it imo.

Ask me after the draft.

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Most years GmeninPSL : 11:27 am : link : reply there are about 4-6 teams that get back into the playoffs and are replaced by other teams

The number is usually around 7 or 8. A 6 team turnover is 50% and I don't think we've had less than 50% in the past decade.

In comment 13869221 arcarsenal said:

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Ask me after the draft.

go ahead -- take a vacation arc.

I'm asking now -- me likey!!!

that I like to see. I hate how pessimistic some of these posters and threads are. Here how I feel:

Can the Giants have a top defense?
Top 5? I really don't think so but I would not be surprised to see us in the Top 10/15.

Can this O-line become areal force?
Depends on if we go for Nelson. With Nelson, yes...definitely a force. Without him, I say we are sitting pretty at average or a little bit above average considering we sign a few more pieces.

Do we now have some real Linebackers?
Ogletree is a leader on and off the field. He dropped-off a little last season but was still a captain and still a presence. Still needs some polishing, but it's already night and day from last year.

Overall, I realistically see us going at least 8-8/9-7. I say that with the upmost confidence. If we can stay healthy, mesh as a unit and play the way we're supposed to I wouldn't be shocked to see us in the playoffs. We're a good football team, with the players we have, a 1-year turnaround is completely possible.

Ogletree certainly helps.....not sold on Martin.....

We need a FS, one or possibly two CB's, another LB, and we have absolutely no one to give the DLmen a breather, no depth at aLL....Injuries can decimate this defense....

Offensively, the OL has been improved, and if somehow Flowers can play better at RT than LT, a huge plus.....Does Stewart have anything left, because I an not sold on Gallman/Perkins....We need a #2 WR.....and the big question will finally be answered......was there a huge drop off in Eli's play, or was it the supporting cast/offensive scheme these last two seasons?

The draft can certainly take care of some of these holes.....but if we go QB in the first, that means we have our #1 pick not contributing this season.....

If everything clicks, this team can make some noise.....only time will tell....

I wasn't talking about any previous comments on this thread. I started typing that when it was first posted. I meant on BBI in general.

The Giants have ZERO depth. If the injury bug bites again it will be a long season. 20-24 Teams have realistic playoff aspirations each season. But most of those teams need things to come together with few injuries to realize those aspirations.

The Giants need to survive the start of the season with new schemes being installed. If they can avoid a disastrous start and stay healthy...they should be a decent team that can sneak into the playoffs. Just like most other NFL teams.

You would think the eagles hung 100 on us last year....you forgot we lost on a 61 yarder? This is the NFL shit gets turned around quickly. There is ZERO reason to believe the eagles will blow us out twice and there is ZERO reason to believe we cannot be competitive next year....we went 3-13 without our top 4 WRs, no running back, a dogshit OL. We are working on fixing the OL, we are rafting Barkley and we are getting our WRs back from injury...I mean, it's not like we are world's away....I'm not saying we def gonna be very good but to say we are so far away it's scary is just pessimistic. Eagles are good but it's the NFL...Sunday to Sunday year to year things change and teams surprise.we aren't perennial losers

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I think they are nowhere near as good as anyone is saying.

#Darnold

I think the D will be good.

But it is premature to answer questions about the O. Three key questions:

1 can we protect the QB
2 when can we replace the QB (and who)
3 will we have a viable run game

lets hope he can have more consistent good play.he has to be better.

last year with this jacked up team..

I'm always optimistic

ever post about anything else??

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eli is the weak link sundayatone : 11:41 am : link : reply lets hope he can have more consistent good play.he has to be better.

It is beyond fucking ponderous

we were 0-4 with Beckham (he did not play the first game), we have filled one position on the OL, LT. There is no guarantee Flowers is any good at RT. For whatever criticisms people have a Pugh, he is better than Omanareh. But let's call that a wash. The defense was 31st in the league last year, we have a terrible punter and a terrible kicker. We have a 37 year old qb that is regressing, but sure we should plan to be one of those 6-8 teams that make it into the playoffs. I am just spitballing here, but maybe 2016 was the aberration.

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to have expectations. "Upgrade" is a relative term, from the low bar that's been set, upgrades don't necessarily translate into quality players. As of now, Solder is the only OL we can call a quality player.

I didn't even know we had a punter anymore.

You know Wing was cut, right?

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The draft will be interesting.

Hard to believe they're finished with FA acquisitions.

Overall, looks like some solid moves at positions of need, which could open things up a bit for the draft.

In comment 13869225 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is correct: Quote: Most years GmeninPSL : 11:27 am : link : reply there are about 4-6 teams that get back into the playoffs and are replaced by other teams The number is usually around 7 or 8. A 6 team turnover is 50% and I don't think we've had less than 50% in the past decade.

That is just wrong from 1991 to 2018 the number of returning teams is 6.4, so if I am doing my math correctly the number of new teams 5.6--so it is not even near 7 or 8. Last year was 8, and it was the first time it was that high since 1991. And you love to criticize other posters. IN 2016 and 2013 8 teams returned to the playoffs from the year before. Please get your facts right if you are going to bully other posters.

injuries or lack of injuries makes so much difference in the NFL that getting excited over players in March that might be put on IR in August is just an exercise in futility.

Appreciate the enthusiasm. I feel like Gettleman is doing his job and we will get back to respectability next year. I think Shurmur is a significant upgrade. No matter what happens between now and the start of next year my highest expectation will the Giants will go 8-8 and be in the hunt for the playoffs until the end of the season. That is all I ask. The debacle of last year has greatly lowered my expectations.

If you think this team is going to win 10 or 11 games next year I think you are setting yourself up to be disappointed. Not saying it couldn't happen, just don't think it is the most probable scenario.

You forgot to mention Beckham.
Does he come back healthy?
Does he get into a contract dispute?
Can we count on him next year?

Without Beckhmam playing at a high level I don't see us having a great offense. Maybe a mediocre offense. Can Eli Manning play good enough ball? I would really like to believe we will finally have a strong running game next year, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Can JPP adjust to a new scheme? He never seemed like the smartest guy in the room. I think OV will be okay. What about CB? Do we have enough depth? Is Eli Apple going to be productive?

Things are definitely heading in the right direction though, but there are still lots of question marks. In my opinion, our roster is still top heavy and our depth is questionable. Will take a couple of drafts and the new regime a couple of years to fix.

but we are on a good way,imo.Can't wait for draft day.

In comment 13869228 gidiefor said:

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In comment 13869221 arcarsenal said: Quote: Ask me after the draft. go ahead -- take a vacation arc. I'm asking now -- me likey!!!

I do like what we're doing so far - but we have a looooooong way to go, buddy.

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In comment 13869270 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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I didn't even know we had a punter anymore. You know Wing was cut, right?

No, I actually didn't see that we cut him on Sunday. Glad we did, but the point still remains, there are not great punters usually hanging around on the streets--so punting is probably still a problem, even if it gets slightly better.

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Hope our line opens some of those holes for him, regardless of whether he's featured or part of a crew.

It's certainly a rosey outlook but I think you're overestimating what we currently have on the OL. It's improved for sure, but still a weak unit. The only +starter that we have is Solder with the rest ranging from mediocre to liabilities. If Flowers continuing to build on last year at RT and we connect big on a Day 1 dominant presence on the interior through, we may have something there. At RB, we took a step back from Darkwa to Stewart, we'll see what the draft brings. Defense desperately needs some corner help, it's a lot scarier there than fans think. We have Jenkins and that's it. If Apple busts it can do to our defense next year what our OL did to our offense last year.

On talent alone, we're currently middle of the pack. Depending on how things break, that can be anywhere from 6 to 11 wins. I think the last two seasons are a pretty good indicator on how big of a factor luck is. I expect us to be contending for a playoff spot or another early playoff exit, but would be surprised if we were a serious threat beyond that.

In comment 13869263 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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ever post about anything else?? Quote: eli is the weak link sundayatone : 11:41 am : link : reply lets hope he can have more consistent good play.he has to be better. It is beyond fucking ponderous

tell me whats wrong with what i said and why it makes you so mad chubby?

to eval pre draft. Things are improving tho...from 3-13 aw

has been over 50%. Isn't this correct?

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That is just wrong from 1991 to 2018 the number of returning teams is 6.4, so if I am doing my math correctly the number of new teams 5.6--so it is not even near 7 or 8. Last year was 8, and it was the first time it was that high since 1991.

6.4 is above 50%. And by the way, in 2011, we had 8 new playoff teams from the year before. I'm sure if I did a yearly check there could be others since 1991. My point is that there is more than a 50% turnover from year to year in playoff teams.

In your zeal to jump on my "bullying", you even provide a stat to prove that is right and then still bash me.

Even with the Pats and Steelers being near constants in the playoffs, turnover is above 50%

last year's shitstorm didn't surprise me because Reese did absolutely nothing to improve the line.

In comment 13869321 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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has been over 50%. Isn't this correct? Quote: That is just wrong from 1991 to 2018 the number of returning teams is 6.4, so if I am doing my math correctly the number of new teams 5.6--so it is not even near 7 or 8. Last year was 8, and it was the first time it was that high since 1991. 6.4 is above 50%. And by the way, in 2011, we had 8 new playoff teams from the year before. I'm sure if I did a yearly check there could be others since 1991. My point is that there is more than a 50% turnover from year to year in playoff teams. In your zeal to jump on my "bullying", you even provide a stat to prove that is right and then still bash me. Even with the Pats and Steelers being near constants in the playoffs, turnover is above 50%

"the number of RETURNING teams" is 6.4 (I.e., the number of teams who made the playoffs two years in a row) so the number of NON-returning teams is 5.6. You also said it has near 7 or 8 returning teams in a decade and that is not only wrong but it happened to have 8 in 2016 and 2013.

Season as the first step to being revelant on a consistent basis again.

Just hope when season begins the next quarterback is on the roster.

I have been a hiring manager for the better part of 30 years. I like the quality of the character of the men DG has been hiring. They can also play. I need to see the draft. I was very enthusiastic last year so I am justifiably guarded at this point.

my point in this thread and every other thread this week is that we are doing our franchise a big disservice to think we are anywhere close to competing. Could we make the playoffs next year? Sure, the NFL is weird and games come down to a few plays here or there and the difference between 6 wins and 10 might be 9 or 10 plays breaking your way. The Bills made it this season with -57 point differential. It is unlikely given the amount of decent to good teams in the NFC, but I would not categorically state we won't make the playoffs.

the goal should be to build a consistent winner and I do not think, at the moment, we are well-positioned in that regard. With that said, I do not expect DG to fix it in this off season, so I have nothing but positive things to say about what he has done so far as each move makes sense (even if I disagreed all the moves are defensible) What I would like him to do is put the building blocks in place so that we are on our way to being a consistent winner. What I don't want to see is for us to go all in on this team and reject taking a franchise qb when our qb is 37 and clearly regressing. Even if we drafted Barkley or Nelson or Chubb my calculation for the next season will not change radically.

I'm feeling better because I love what our GM is doing. I think we should be better obviously but I am not sure we are playoff ready yet. We still need a RB, a proven WR, DB and DL help and I have no idea what to expect out of Eli or the OL. Still a lot of work to do but still plenty of time to get it done

In comment 13869332 joeinpa said:

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Season as the first step to being revelant on a consistent basis again. Just hope when season begins the next quarterback is on the roster.

you said succinctly what I said in two paragraphs, but that is exactly what I want.