Are we being honest with ourselves?

Regardless of what they do at 2.

One or another QB, the RB, the Guard... Trust. the. professionals.

I just personally prefer a short trade down to 3,4,5 or 6 or so due to a variety of reasons, grabbing a ransom of high picks and using them all on playmakers.

But upset? Nonsense. Unless they draft some skinny reach player. But that won't happen.

In comment 13869733 wgenesis123 said:

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If you have to have a top five QB to win, your probably doomed because 27 teams don't have a top five QB. It really would be nice to have a top five QB! Build a team that can win without a top five QB like Jacksonville or Philadelphia.

Jacksonville is not winning a SB with Bortles as the QB. I feel strongly about that. If the Jags had a top 10 pick from a trade and had the season they had last year they would go for the qb. The Jags were built well by TC but that is one season, they need to do it consistently and see if BB can win them a ring which I highly doubt he can. THey also lack offensive weapons.

The Eagles got hot at the right time and rode home field which was there due to MVP level FRANCHISE QB Wentz. No change the Eagles win last year if Foles was the qb from the start of the season.

in each draft. They also don't walk around with signs that say top five QB. Brady would not have lasted to round six and Montanna to round three. The simple fact of the matter is wherever you pick in the draft you are most likely not going to get one. Any one of the QB's in this draft could turn out to be that good but it takes a genius to have an idea which one it is or just dumb luck by design like the Patriots had with Brady. Bill Walsh wanted Phil Simms, he got stuck with Montanna in round three because the Giants took Simms first. Walsh was a genius but he would have taken the wrong guy. You build your team to win without a great QB and hire a guy like Shurmur to get the most out of a decent QB.

and having the best schemes. And by staying healthy.

If I said that the next QB we draft will win us 2 Super Bowls, but you think that is not good enough. Because pure and simply put, you draft a QB high in round 1, and you get 2 Ring, you did well. The other thing to look at is his lifetime numbers. So we have the only QB in the sports history that is compiling good numbers, has two rings with his 2 Super Bowl MVP's, beat the greatest QB of all time in both those Super Bowl wins, but he stinks. That would be a first for any QB. Only on BBI.

not just "only on BBI". But often as in daily on BBI.

There's a group that actually derisively looks at posters and calls them Eli apologists.

Absolutely fucking baffling.

In comment 13869822 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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not just "only on BBI". But often as in daily on BBI. There's a group that actually derisively looks at posters and calls them Eli apologists. Absolutely fucking baffling.

It's the American way. We have a need to boil things down to black and white and hate. Eli Haters and Eli apologists, Republicans vs Democrats(not assigning one to either), it's comfortable for many I guess. I am sure there are people here who call me an Eli Hater and I think the guy should be in the HoF and it is the only jersey in my closet. I just felt, new offense, number 2 pick. 3-13 last year. Time go new. That said, I will be rooting for Eli to kill it. I am a Giant & Eli Manning fan.

Stone Cold Killer!

....it's the putrid O-Line!

Kevin Gilbride first called attention to it in 2012 and it was never addressed appropriately by Reese/Ross. Look at what Coach Coughlin has done in his short time in Jacksonville. He now has a fortress similar to the 2005-2011 Giants O-Lines. And now we have a GM who has proven once again that he knows how to put together an O-Line. Back then he brought us O'Hara and McKenzie and now in just a short time he has brought us Solder and soon, hopefully Nelson.

are #2 with any of these QB's none of us know that as far as Eli goes he certainly didn't look washed up against the Super Bowl Champions ! With a crap O-line no OBJ and a defense that looked like crap most of the season .
If they take a QB great were in a position and were confident he is Eli's equal or better but I will never understand the Eli bashing on this sight it's moronic .
I say he has two good years left make a run for it and if
it fails you still have Webb and we have a player we could use to go get a QB . I don't see any of these QB's a can't miss initially I felt Darnold now if they do go QB its Rosen . Barkley and a revamed line will make this offense maybe the best ever as far as the Giants go .
This isn't a jitterbug like David Wilson who really just had bad luck this is a game changing back a HR hitter .

In comment 13869756 idiotsavant said:

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Regardless of what they do at 2. One or another QB, the RB, the Guard... Trust. the. professionals. I just personally prefer a short trade down to 3,4,5 or 6 or so due to a variety of reasons, grabbing a ransom of high picks and using them all on playmakers. But upset? Nonsense. Unless they draft some skinny reach player. But that won't happen.

I agree, especially the trade down part

In comment 13869822 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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not just "only on BBI". But often as in daily on BBI. There's a group that actually derisively looks at posters and calls them Eli apologists. Absolutely fucking baffling.

i really hope we build up the team, add Barkley, and that Eli rejuvenates just for a season and we win the SB. It just because I always want to win the SB, but als to read the posts of the pissed-off people here.

In comment 13869806 wgenesis123 said:

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in each draft. T You build your team to win without a great QB and hire a guy like Shurmur to get the most out of a decent QB.

Noooo--- you don't. You build your team in a way to give you the best chance to win. Each team does it differently.

The best way to go about that is to get the QB.