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Just when you thought Ben McAdoo couldn't dig himself an even deeper grave with New York Giants fans, he found a way to do it. According to Geno Smith, the disgraced former Giants head coach had parting words for Smith on his way out the door after being fired by the Giants. His final message to Smith was the same one he gave to Eli Manning a few weeks earlier. “When Coach Mac was let go and left the building, I talked to him before he left, and he had told me he felt like I deserved to play the rest of the season,” Smith said, via The Daily News. “He believed in me. A lot of people did. Guys wanted me to do well. But there are some things that are out of your control. |
But I am a glass-half-full guy.
Again and again I ask myself. What the fuck did Mara see in this guy that led him hire him as the HC or OC. Just a disaster. Anyone still
want to think he was a big part of that 11-5?
Talk about addition by subtraction
Doubt he gets another job now.
Why shouldn't he?, he realizes his time playing football is close to being at an end and isnt ready for that. This quote gets his name in the papers.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
JonC, how much do you think keeping Eli for next year is a business decision with his contract and his support with the fan base? I'm not bashing Eli, I just think giving him another chance next year makes a lot of sense if you are running a business and trying to sell tickets. You don't simply discard one of the most popular players in Giants history.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
Well said. I think you hit on pretty much all the right points. How fast everything unraveled for McAdoo was a sign at how terrible he was at his job. And deciding that Geno was the hill to die on told you all you need to know about McAdoo's ability to read a room.
Meanwhile, the Eagles hired Doug Pederson (whom we all laughed at) and they just won a Super Bowl.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
Spot on.
Your probably right about the PSL's. But I think the empty stadium at the end of the year and the fan reaction to Eli's benching ways on Mara's mind. The Giants are a proud organization and their reputation was damaged with how the Eli benching went down.
That's what I took from it, too. I'm sure Mac isn't the only one who feels that way. I love Eli but he looked scary bad at times last year.
If that's your viewpoint then put the crosshairs directly on Mac. He had training camp, preseason and 12 weeks to get webb ready. Instead, he decided Geno Smith was the right backup.
That's not on fans and it is unlikely on ownership as they don't dictate who the backup is.
That's squarely on Mac.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
100% agree with this point. spot on Fatman..
Maybe his name shouldn't be uttered, at least unless the "oo" is replaced with "ouch".
You can add an "e" at the end if you want to spell "douche" correctly.
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but if enough voices are questioning Eli's abilities in that building, I give some weight to it as I'm plotting the future.
JonC, how much do you think keeping Eli for next year is a business decision with his contract and his support with the fan base? I'm not bashing Eli, I just think giving him another chance next year makes a lot of sense if you are running a business and trying to sell tickets. You don't simply discard one of the most popular players in Giants history.
It has a lot to do with it, as does sentimentality, and the likelihood he's the best option for 2018 even if they draft a QB at #2.
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I've seen from Mac leads me to believe he thinks Eli was the reason he failed. Eli's lack of mobility wasn't a good fit for his system, so instead of modifying the system, he kept throwing the QB under the bus.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
100% agree with this point. spot on Fatman..
Precisely right - spot on analysis! This is McAdoo's rationaliztion for his gross failure and the reason we have no idea what we have in Davis Webb... truly idiotic chapter in Giants history to the bitter end...
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call in benching Eli to see the other qb'
He didn't see the other qb's. He saw Geno. Making the correct call would've been putting Webb in, which he didn't do, and seemingly didn't plan to do (and that's sort of backed up by Geno's comments).
He benched eli for Geno Fucking Smith. Period.
I think that says a hell of a lot about what most observers think of Smith as a QB.
As for McAdouche, Ray Handley is now off the hook for the title of the worst coach in GIANTS history.
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McAdoo was a terrible coach but made correct
NYSports1 : 1:35 pm : link : reply
call in benching Eli to see the other qb'
He didn't see the other qb's. He saw Geno. Making the correct call would've been putting Webb in, which he didn't do, and seemingly didn't plan to do (and that's sort of backed up by Geno's comments).
He benched eli for Geno Fucking Smith. Period.
Exactly. Plus if he had just said to Eli that if at some point a game gets out of hand we probably will give Webb some time so the organization can properly evaluate him Eli doesn't refuse. Saying I am going to pull you at the half for Geno and you get the result that happened.
Davis sucked in that game. We lost to a terrible Raiders team that had quit on the season. Eli has given way too much to this franchise for him to go lose his streak the way he did.
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Was better than Eli for much of the year. In the end McAdoo was scapegoated for the only thing he did right. I wouldn't have agreed with Smith finishing the year, but a couple starts divided equally with Webb was the right choice. We now have no idea what we have in Webb, and thanks to our reactionary fanbase and kneejerk ownership, we get to see more of a QB who is well past his prime.
Davis sucked in that game. We lost to a terrible Raiders team that had quit on the season. Eli has given way too much to this franchise for him to go lose his streak the way he did.
Davis sucked? Hmm.
As for Geno, he's trying to increase his value on the open market. Or something. It's Geno Smith.
I'm not sure if could have saved his job at that point or not but how he handled it certainly will make it a longer, harder road for him to get a second chance as a HC in the NFL
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he wasn't thinking about NYG's QB situation post-2018, an unfortunate situation for a lot of people.
I'm not sure if could have saved his job at that point or not but how he handled it certainly will make it a longer, harder road for him to get a second chance as a HC in the NFL
I'd agree he suffers from tunnel vision.
How so? He wants to play and believes in himself. He has every right to feel that way.
Words to be eaten.
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Was better than Eli for much of the year. In the end McAdoo was scapegoated for the only thing he did right. I wouldn't have agreed with Smith finishing the year, but a couple starts divided equally with Webb was the right choice. We now have no idea what we have in Webb, and thanks to our reactionary fanbase and kneejerk ownership, we get to see more of a QB who is well past his prime.
Davis sucked in that game. We lost to a terrible Raiders team that had quit on the season. Eli has given way too much to this franchise for him to go lose his streak the way he did.
Davis sucked? Hmm.
Geno actually didn't suck in that game. He was ok. His numbers were pretty good (21-34, 212 yards and 1 TD). And he did move around a bit in the pocket to look for a play downfield. But Geno did his usual Geno thing of being careless with the ball, specifically the sack/fumble deep in Raiders territory after the blocked punt/punter being sacked.
Geno wasn't the reason they lost that game, but he certainly didn't help win it. Bottom line, McAdoo hitched his wagon to Geno Smith hoping that Geno was going to rip off a 300 yard, 3 TD game and make him look like a genius. And he neglected the fact that we are talking about Geno Smith, not some unknown.
Denver - Pretty confident on that one.
Bills - Yup.
Jaguars - who have their quarterback. Yeah.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
Totally agree. His system was never a fit for Eli's style of play and it was apparent early. But turning to Geno Smith is not the answer to making things work out. And I kind of feel bad for Geno, because he has had some bad luck that has undermined his opportunity to prove himself. Remember back in 2016 when IK Enempakali punched him in the face and broke his jaw? He was all set to be the starter to open the season. Then he gets his jaw wired shut and is out for 6-10 weeks and watches Fitzmagic get entrenched as the starter.
Then he comes here and looks like he's going to get an opportunity, and the head coach gets fired and he gets benched after 1 game, through no fault of his own, just bad leadership on the part of McAdoo.
I don't think he's a good QB but I have no problem with him venting some frustration, to me it's perfectly understandable given what he has gone through.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
McAdoo's problem with Eli was that he wasn't Aaron Rodgers. The offensive scheme, such as it was, didn't make the best use of available personnel. The play calling was predictable and pedestrian. He didn't use assets like Rhett Ellison as a receiver or to augment the lousy offensive line. He was a terrible coach and his willingness to throw Manning under the bus just underscores how ill-prepared he was to ne head coach of the NY Giants.
Having said that, he was fired mid-year because of the Eli Manning hype media machine that bought AND sold the story that Eli was being benched, that reported that Ben said Geno gave them a better chance to win (he never said that) and that turned Giants fans extremely angry over what was a very reasonable (if poorly executed) plan.
If he was bitter towards Eli on his way out the door I wouldn't blame him. I still think he deserved to be fired, but the reaction to the plan to give the second half of snaps to the backup QB's was ridiculous and over the top.
The is absolutely no logic to support that as a good move. It helps zero in the future development or assessment of Webb and all it did was give a journeyman QB some snaps.
As a stand alone decision - that in itself should have been enough to get him fired, simply for the lack of foresight and understanding.
I mean. Really?
That's not how giants handle themselves.
His play didn't bother me particularly, if it had been in a vacuum, if you would see it that way just to isolate the press conference issue.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
I think you're right.
Eli having any success going forward will make McAdoo look terribly.
It was obvious he believed Geno was a better quarterback at this time.
Don't know why Geno had the need to share this.
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I've seen from Mac leads me to believe he thinks Eli was the reason he failed. Eli's lack of mobility wasn't a good fit for his system, so instead of modifying the system, he kept throwing the QB under the bus.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
I think you're right.
Eli having any success going forward will make McAdoo look terribly.
Eli throwing for 434 yards 1.5 weeks later showed me all I need to see.
Jon I think those questioning have left the building...
Mara, Spags and Eli should have sat down and Mara should have told both of them that Eli was going to start the next 2 weeks against Dallas and Philly and that Webb is to immediately be elevated to the #2 QB.
This plan would have protected Webb from 2 tough divisional games, it would have given him an opportunity to accelerate his preparation for the final 2 weeks against lesser opponents and it would have given the home NYG crowd 2 opportunities to show Eli the respect he deserves after the organization fucked him over the way they did.
If you want to look back even further before Mac was canned, he should have promoted Webb to the #2 QB once they were 0-5 rendering Geno's role on the team completely useless. Webb could have seen live action during the 50 burger the Rams dropped on us and probably again in the San Francisco debacle.
What happened last year was an embarrassment and I blame John Mara for it, even more than I do McAdoo. Spags was allowed to coach the final 4 games as if he were auditioning for a promotion he was never realistically going to see.
All of this has fueled the fire for the debate that rages regarding the #2 pick. Very difficult situation to navigate for DG and PS.
Yeah he had a shit year but the guy is not Jerry Sandusky either.
I'm not a big BM fan but in 2 years the guy did have a 14-18 record. That's a 7-9 average. I feel like guys like Jeff Fischer and Marvin Lewis get contract extensions for doing that.
You know BM gets a lot of crap here, and rightfully so, but it took some balls to do what he did with Eli last year. Let's not kid ourselves Eli wasn't lighting the world on fire. Ben's job was to get the team to win, and he thought Geno gave them the best chance. Otherwise he just blindly hated Eli for some reason.
Yeah he had a shit year but the guy is not Jerry Sandusky either.
I'm not a big BM fan but in 2 years the guy did have a 14-18 record. That's a 7-9 average. I feel like guys like Jeff Fischer and Marvin Lewis get contract extensions for doing that.
You know BM gets a lot of crap here, and rightfully so, but it took some balls to do what he did with Eli last year. Let's not kid ourselves Eli wasn't lighting the world on fire. Ben's job was to get the team to win, and he thought Geno gave them the best chance. Otherwise he just blindly hated Eli for some reason.
A lot of good points.
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The man just can't help himself. Literally.
e why is he stupid ...he played better than Eli(zabeth)to a lot of people
You know whats stupid? Elizabeth? Are you 12?
I'm still hopeful Eli and Shurmur can do better. But, Eli has something to prove going forward to keep his job. Especially if we draft a QB.
Geno you lived up to your billing he will make the play that will cost you the game ......
The guy's arrogance is what eventually cost him his job. Good fucking riddance to them both
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The man just can't help himself. Literally.
e why is he stupid ...he played better than Eli(zabeth)to a lot of people
What the hell kind of username is that? Seriously?
McAdoo's problem with Eli was that he wasn't Aaron Rodgers. The offensive scheme, such as it was, didn't make the best use of available personnel. The play calling was predictable and pedestrian. He didn't use assets like Rhett Ellison as a receiver or to augment the lousy offensive line. He was a terrible coach and his willingness to throw Manning under the bus just underscores how ill-prepared he was to ne head coach of the NY Giants.
Couldn't have said it better.
The is absolutely no logic to support that as a good move. It helps zero in the future development or assessment of Webb and all it did was give a journeyman QB some snaps.
As a stand alone decision - that in itself should have been enough to get him fired, simply for the lack of foresight and understanding.
The reaction to it was ridiculous. We were already eliminated. What did it hurt to give the very backup a half of snaps?
Eli's and some fans' feelings.
I agree it could have been better, but the reactions by Eli and subsequent one by both the media and the fans were completely over the top and uncalled for.
Eli was not benched. He decided he didn't want to give up any snaps and benched himself in a meaningless game.
1. Hire McAdoo as your head coach when he was nothing more than (according to Greg Jennings) an over-paid gym teacher in Green Bay.
2. Fire Coughlin when anyone with a kindergarten football IQ knew that Reese was as much if not more of the problem.
3. Promote Mac to head coach after a cup of coffee as an OC while other candidates who are more qualified are turned down.
4. Watch your superstar GM continue to screw up the OL with a QB who needs a protected pocket even more than other QBs in the league.
5. Allow this clusterfuck of a benching to occur blaming McAdoo when many people believe it was Reese and Mara who wanted to make the change. ... and then tell the fans that they got too emotional over the decision.... like WE were the assholes.
** I am reading in the earlier posts how McAdoo's offense was not a fit for Eli. Meanwhile, there was the belief that McAdoo was hired as the head coach to keep some consistency in the system for Eli. If that scenario was true... then was there ANYONE in the front office who what the fuck they were doing? Anyone at all?
huh??
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when the plan didn't involve Webb and was instead meant to get Geno into games.
The is absolutely no logic to support that as a good move. It helps zero in the future development or assessment of Webb and all it did was give a journeyman QB some snaps.
As a stand alone decision - that in itself should have been enough to get him fired, simply for the lack of foresight and understanding.
The reaction to it was ridiculous. We were already eliminated. What did it hurt to give the very backup a half of snaps?
Eli's and some fans' feelings.
I agree it could have been better, but the reactions by Eli and subsequent one by both the media and the fans were completely over the top and uncalled for.
Eli was not benched. He decided he didn't want to give up any snaps and benched himself in a meaningless game.
That’s Eli’s replacement!?!?!?
Mcadoo and Reese are just sad.
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The man just can't help himself. Literally.
e why is he stupid ...he played better than Eli(zabeth)to a lot of people
What the hell kind of username is that? Seriously?
Why was the play calling painfully predictable? No notable upgrades on the OL. The running game was always trash. Why did the offense go from top 10 to not being able to score 30 in almost 2 years??? That absolutely baffles me. Was Tom Coughlin that much of an influence on the offense? I don't know. Guess we will never know.
Why was the play calling painfully predictable? No notable upgrades on the OL. The running game was always trash. Why did the offense go from top 10 to not being able to score 30 in almost 2 years??? That absolutely baffles me. Was Tom Coughlin that much of an influence on the offense? I don't know. Guess we will never know.
Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men?
that pretty much distorts the plan presented to Eli. And universally, by professional players, the presented plan was called insulting.
No,those are the facts. The distortion is the narrative that Eli was benched. I won't argue that it was delivered properly, it whether Eli was right to be upset. I will argue that he, the media, the fans, and many others overreacted.
Eli's feelings were hurt. He didn't want to come out at half. He'd rather have sat on the bench than go into a game knowing they were going to take him out at half. All facts, as reported by Eli himself.
Not distorted.
IMO there was a much better way for Eli to have handled this. The defense of his behavior refuses to acknowledge that, instead pointing only to how there was a better way for the NYG to have handled it. I say it was poorly handled by everyone, Eli included.
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that pretty much distorts the plan presented to Eli. And universally, by professional players, the presented plan was called insulting.
No,those are the facts. The distortion is the narrative that Eli was benched. I won't argue that it was delivered properly, it whether Eli was right to be upset. I will argue that he, the media, the fans, and many others overreacted.
Eli's feelings were hurt. He didn't want to come out at half. He'd rather have sat on the bench than go into a game knowing they were going to take him out at half. All facts, as reported by Eli himself.
Not distorted.
IMO there was a much better way for Eli to have handled this. The defense of his behavior refuses to acknowledge that, instead pointing only to how there was a better way for the NYG to have handled it. I say it was poorly handled by everyone, Eli included.
Completely agree my friends and I were recently talking about it. Eli insisted it be announced to the media as well. It makes his nearly crying while talking to the reporters a little suspect. The public outrage was a bit too much.
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that pretty much distorts the plan presented to Eli. And universally, by professional players, the presented plan was called insulting.
No,those are the facts. The distortion is the narrative that Eli was benched. I won't argue that it was delivered properly, it whether Eli was right to be upset. I will argue that he, the media, the fans, and many others overreacted.
Eli's feelings were hurt. He didn't want to come out at half. He'd rather have sat on the bench than go into a game knowing they were going to take him out at half. All facts, as reported by Eli himself.
Not distorted.
IMO there was a much better way for Eli to have handled this. The defense of his behavior refuses to acknowledge that, instead pointing only to how there was a better way for the NYG to have handled it. I say it was poorly handled by everyone, Eli included.
It is absurd for you to place the blame on Eli with regards to this. I mean seriously it is absolutely ridiculous given how that fiasco went down. From the lies by Reese and McAdoo to Mara's excuse, blaming Eli is about the most idiotic thing I have seen on here
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that pretty much distorts the plan presented to Eli. And universally, by professional players, the presented plan was called insulting.
No,those are the facts. The distortion is the narrative that Eli was benched. I won't argue that it was delivered properly, it whether Eli was right to be upset. I will argue that he, the media, the fans, and many others overreacted.
Eli's feelings were hurt. He didn't want to come out at half. He'd rather have sat on the bench than go into a game knowing they were going to take him out at half. All facts, as reported by Eli himself.
Not distorted.
IMO there was a much better way for Eli to have handled this. The defense of his behavior refuses to acknowledge that, instead pointing only to how there was a better way for the NYG to have handled it. I say it was poorly handled by everyone, Eli included.
Completely agree my friends and I were recently talking about it. Eli insisted it be announced to the media as well. It makes his nearly crying while talking to the reporters a little suspect. The public outrage was a bit too much.
LMAO...What an inane take on that situation
McAdoo should have let Eli play and if Eli was not effective then pull him for Geno or Webb--
There were certainly games where Eli was sucking and deserved to be benched.
THis would have put the burden on Eli to play better and not on mcadoo for ending Eli's streak.
The reaction to it was ridiculous. We were already eliminated. What did it hurt to give the very backup a half of snaps?
The reaction wasn't ridiculous because people rightly saw what a terrible plan it was. They benched eli for Geno Smith. Not for Davis Webb, but for a guy who will never be a meaningful player in the NFL.
Furthermore, it put a spotlight on two things:
1) Mac's incompetence in personnel by not developing Webb
2) Mac's inability to recognize the situation
The reaction was appropriate because it was a complete shitshow.
That whole dog and pony show was to show that Mac was right about Eli.
That's a closed-ended, yes or no question.
That's a closed-ended, yes or no question.
Yeah, I suppose he could have done that.
The issue is Eli shouldn't have had to handle it if Mac and the Giants did a better job.
The issue is Eli shouldn't have had to handle it if Mac and the Giants did a better job.
That's a closed-ended, yes or no question.
No - he could not have handled it any better than he did. He got Mara to finally realize that the coach was grossly incompetent.... and got us onto the right track where we are today.
I'm not one who agrees that it worked out for the best. I think we would be better off today had we continued with the plan to eventually get Webb some meaningful snaps.
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Can we answer one question without dodging or deflecting? Is there a way Eli could have handled it better?
That's a closed-ended, yes or no question.
dear Eli. We intend to openly humiliate you. Please, hand your balls to the attendant and go gently into the good night.
Yeah, I suppose he could have done that.
LMAO...Is it seriously not one of the most ridiculous takes on BBI in years? It's so agenda-driven it's almost a parody
LMAO...Is it seriously not one of the most ridiculous takes on BBI in years? It's so agenda-driven it's almost a parody
Seriously, what's my agenda?
I've been on here for many, many years. I've not been known as a pot-stirrer. I'm telling you that it seems to me like the reaction Eli had exacerbated the issue. He's been insulted by fans and media forever. He's had his own teammates throw him under the bus. Tiki said his leadership was "comical". Through all of that he kept his poise and took things in stride.
This one he didn't. I wish he had.
What exactly is my agenda?