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Just when you thought Ben McAdoo couldn't dig himself an even deeper grave with New York Giants fans, he found a way to do it. According to Geno Smith, the disgraced former Giants head coach had parting words for Smith on his way out the door after being fired by the Giants. His final message to Smith was the same one he gave to Eli Manning a few weeks earlier. “When Coach Mac was let go and left the building, I talked to him before he left, and he had told me he felt like I deserved to play the rest of the season,” Smith said, via The Daily News. “He believed in me. A lot of people did. Guys wanted me to do well. But there are some things that are out of your control. |
But I am a glass-half-full guy.
Again and again I ask myself. What the fuck did Mara see in this guy that led him hire him as the HC or OC. Just a disaster. Anyone still
want to think he was a big part of that 11-5?
Talk about addition by subtraction
Doubt he gets another job now.
Why shouldn't he?, he realizes his time playing football is close to being at an end and isnt ready for that. This quote gets his name in the papers.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
JonC, how much do you think keeping Eli for next year is a business decision with his contract and his support with the fan base? I'm not bashing Eli, I just think giving him another chance next year makes a lot of sense if you are running a business and trying to sell tickets. You don't simply discard one of the most popular players in Giants history.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
Well said. I think you hit on pretty much all the right points. How fast everything unraveled for McAdoo was a sign at how terrible he was at his job. And deciding that Geno was the hill to die on told you all you need to know about McAdoo's ability to read a room.
Meanwhile, the Eagles hired Doug Pederson (whom we all laughed at) and they just won a Super Bowl.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
Spot on.
Your probably right about the PSL's. But I think the empty stadium at the end of the year and the fan reaction to Eli's benching ways on Mara's mind. The Giants are a proud organization and their reputation was damaged with how the Eli benching went down.
That's what I took from it, too. I'm sure Mac isn't the only one who feels that way. I love Eli but he looked scary bad at times last year.
If that's your viewpoint then put the crosshairs directly on Mac. He had training camp, preseason and 12 weeks to get webb ready. Instead, he decided Geno Smith was the right backup.
That's not on fans and it is unlikely on ownership as they don't dictate who the backup is.
That's squarely on Mac.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
100% agree with this point. spot on Fatman..
Maybe his name shouldn't be uttered, at least unless the "oo" is replaced with "ouch".
You can add an "e" at the end if you want to spell "douche" correctly.
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but if enough voices are questioning Eli's abilities in that building, I give some weight to it as I'm plotting the future.
JonC, how much do you think keeping Eli for next year is a business decision with his contract and his support with the fan base? I'm not bashing Eli, I just think giving him another chance next year makes a lot of sense if you are running a business and trying to sell tickets. You don't simply discard one of the most popular players in Giants history.
It has a lot to do with it, as does sentimentality, and the likelihood he's the best option for 2018 even if they draft a QB at #2.
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I've seen from Mac leads me to believe he thinks Eli was the reason he failed. Eli's lack of mobility wasn't a good fit for his system, so instead of modifying the system, he kept throwing the QB under the bus.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
100% agree with this point. spot on Fatman..
Precisely right - spot on analysis! This is McAdoo's rationaliztion for his gross failure and the reason we have no idea what we have in Davis Webb... truly idiotic chapter in Giants history to the bitter end...
NYSports1 : 1:35 pm : link : reply
call in benching Eli to see the other qb'
He didn't see the other qb's. He saw Geno. Making the correct call would've been putting Webb in, which he didn't do, and seemingly didn't plan to do (and that's sort of backed up by Geno's comments).
He benched eli for Geno Fucking Smith. Period.
I think that says a hell of a lot about what most observers think of Smith as a QB.
As for McAdouche, Ray Handley is now off the hook for the title of the worst coach in GIANTS history.
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McAdoo was a terrible coach but made correct
NYSports1 : 1:35 pm : link : reply
call in benching Eli to see the other qb'
He didn't see the other qb's. He saw Geno. Making the correct call would've been putting Webb in, which he didn't do, and seemingly didn't plan to do (and that's sort of backed up by Geno's comments).
He benched eli for Geno Fucking Smith. Period.
Exactly. Plus if he had just said to Eli that if at some point a game gets out of hand we probably will give Webb some time so the organization can properly evaluate him Eli doesn't refuse. Saying I am going to pull you at the half for Geno and you get the result that happened.
Davis sucked in that game. We lost to a terrible Raiders team that had quit on the season. Eli has given way too much to this franchise for him to go lose his streak the way he did.
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Was better than Eli for much of the year. In the end McAdoo was scapegoated for the only thing he did right. I wouldn't have agreed with Smith finishing the year, but a couple starts divided equally with Webb was the right choice. We now have no idea what we have in Webb, and thanks to our reactionary fanbase and kneejerk ownership, we get to see more of a QB who is well past his prime.
Davis sucked in that game. We lost to a terrible Raiders team that had quit on the season. Eli has given way too much to this franchise for him to go lose his streak the way he did.
Davis sucked? Hmm.
As for Geno, he's trying to increase his value on the open market. Or something. It's Geno Smith.
I'm not sure if could have saved his job at that point or not but how he handled it certainly will make it a longer, harder road for him to get a second chance as a HC in the NFL
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he wasn't thinking about NYG's QB situation post-2018, an unfortunate situation for a lot of people.
I'm not sure if could have saved his job at that point or not but how he handled it certainly will make it a longer, harder road for him to get a second chance as a HC in the NFL
I'd agree he suffers from tunnel vision.
How so? He wants to play and believes in himself. He has every right to feel that way.
Words to be eaten.
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Was better than Eli for much of the year. In the end McAdoo was scapegoated for the only thing he did right. I wouldn't have agreed with Smith finishing the year, but a couple starts divided equally with Webb was the right choice. We now have no idea what we have in Webb, and thanks to our reactionary fanbase and kneejerk ownership, we get to see more of a QB who is well past his prime.
Davis sucked in that game. We lost to a terrible Raiders team that had quit on the season. Eli has given way too much to this franchise for him to go lose his streak the way he did.
Davis sucked? Hmm.
Geno actually didn't suck in that game. He was ok. His numbers were pretty good (21-34, 212 yards and 1 TD). And he did move around a bit in the pocket to look for a play downfield. But Geno did his usual Geno thing of being careless with the ball, specifically the sack/fumble deep in Raiders territory after the blocked punt/punter being sacked.
Geno wasn't the reason they lost that game, but he certainly didn't help win it. Bottom line, McAdoo hitched his wagon to Geno Smith hoping that Geno was going to rip off a 300 yard, 3 TD game and make him look like a genius. And he neglected the fact that we are talking about Geno Smith, not some unknown.