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Just when you thought Ben McAdoo couldn't dig himself an even deeper grave with New York Giants fans, he found a way to do it. According to Geno Smith, the disgraced former Giants head coach had parting words for Smith on his way out the door after being fired by the Giants. His final message to Smith was the same one he gave to Eli Manning a few weeks earlier. “When Coach Mac was let go and left the building, I talked to him before he left, and he had told me he felt like I deserved to play the rest of the season,” Smith said, via The Daily News. “He believed in me. A lot of people did. Guys wanted me to do well. But there are some things that are out of your control. |
Denver - Pretty confident on that one.
Bills - Yup.
Jaguars - who have their quarterback. Yeah.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
Totally agree. His system was never a fit for Eli's style of play and it was apparent early. But turning to Geno Smith is not the answer to making things work out. And I kind of feel bad for Geno, because he has had some bad luck that has undermined his opportunity to prove himself. Remember back in 2016 when IK Enempakali punched him in the face and broke his jaw? He was all set to be the starter to open the season. Then he gets his jaw wired shut and is out for 6-10 weeks and watches Fitzmagic get entrenched as the starter.
Then he comes here and looks like he's going to get an opportunity, and the head coach gets fired and he gets benched after 1 game, through no fault of his own, just bad leadership on the part of McAdoo.
I don't think he's a good QB but I have no problem with him venting some frustration, to me it's perfectly understandable given what he has gone through.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
McAdoo's problem with Eli was that he wasn't Aaron Rodgers. The offensive scheme, such as it was, didn't make the best use of available personnel. The play calling was predictable and pedestrian. He didn't use assets like Rhett Ellison as a receiver or to augment the lousy offensive line. He was a terrible coach and his willingness to throw Manning under the bus just underscores how ill-prepared he was to ne head coach of the NY Giants.
Having said that, he was fired mid-year because of the Eli Manning hype media machine that bought AND sold the story that Eli was being benched, that reported that Ben said Geno gave them a better chance to win (he never said that) and that turned Giants fans extremely angry over what was a very reasonable (if poorly executed) plan.
If he was bitter towards Eli on his way out the door I wouldn't blame him. I still think he deserved to be fired, but the reaction to the plan to give the second half of snaps to the backup QB's was ridiculous and over the top.
The is absolutely no logic to support that as a good move. It helps zero in the future development or assessment of Webb and all it did was give a journeyman QB some snaps.
As a stand alone decision - that in itself should have been enough to get him fired, simply for the lack of foresight and understanding.
I mean. Really?
That's not how giants handle themselves.
His play didn't bother me particularly, if it had been in a vacuum, if you would see it that way just to isolate the press conference issue.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
I think you're right.
Eli having any success going forward will make McAdoo look terribly.
It was obvious he believed Geno was a better quarterback at this time.
Don't know why Geno had the need to share this.
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I've seen from Mac leads me to believe he thinks Eli was the reason he failed. Eli's lack of mobility wasn't a good fit for his system, so instead of modifying the system, he kept throwing the QB under the bus.
When it became clear the season was lost and he was in preservation mode, instead of grooming Webb, he replaced Eli with Smith - again as a way of trying to show that Geno could do much better in his system. He didn't.
His comments pretty much since midway through the 2016 season have pointed at scapegoating Eli instead of introspectively reviewing the merits of his offense.
I'm sure that his viewpoint was well known in the Giants offices. And I'm sure some people took his side.
Just another indication of what an abomination his tenure here was.
I think you're right.
Eli having any success going forward will make McAdoo look terribly.
Eli throwing for 434 yards 1.5 weeks later showed me all I need to see.
Jon I think those questioning have left the building...
Mara, Spags and Eli should have sat down and Mara should have told both of them that Eli was going to start the next 2 weeks against Dallas and Philly and that Webb is to immediately be elevated to the #2 QB.
This plan would have protected Webb from 2 tough divisional games, it would have given him an opportunity to accelerate his preparation for the final 2 weeks against lesser opponents and it would have given the home NYG crowd 2 opportunities to show Eli the respect he deserves after the organization fucked him over the way they did.
If you want to look back even further before Mac was canned, he should have promoted Webb to the #2 QB once they were 0-5 rendering Geno's role on the team completely useless. Webb could have seen live action during the 50 burger the Rams dropped on us and probably again in the San Francisco debacle.
What happened last year was an embarrassment and I blame John Mara for it, even more than I do McAdoo. Spags was allowed to coach the final 4 games as if he were auditioning for a promotion he was never realistically going to see.
All of this has fueled the fire for the debate that rages regarding the #2 pick. Very difficult situation to navigate for DG and PS.
Yeah he had a shit year but the guy is not Jerry Sandusky either.
I'm not a big BM fan but in 2 years the guy did have a 14-18 record. That's a 7-9 average. I feel like guys like Jeff Fischer and Marvin Lewis get contract extensions for doing that.
You know BM gets a lot of crap here, and rightfully so, but it took some balls to do what he did with Eli last year. Let's not kid ourselves Eli wasn't lighting the world on fire. Ben's job was to get the team to win, and he thought Geno gave them the best chance. Otherwise he just blindly hated Eli for some reason.
Yeah he had a shit year but the guy is not Jerry Sandusky either.
I'm not a big BM fan but in 2 years the guy did have a 14-18 record. That's a 7-9 average. I feel like guys like Jeff Fischer and Marvin Lewis get contract extensions for doing that.
You know BM gets a lot of crap here, and rightfully so, but it took some balls to do what he did with Eli last year. Let's not kid ourselves Eli wasn't lighting the world on fire. Ben's job was to get the team to win, and he thought Geno gave them the best chance. Otherwise he just blindly hated Eli for some reason.
A lot of good points.
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The man just can't help himself. Literally.
e why is he stupid ...he played better than Eli(zabeth)to a lot of people
You know whats stupid? Elizabeth? Are you 12?
I'm still hopeful Eli and Shurmur can do better. But, Eli has something to prove going forward to keep his job. Especially if we draft a QB.
Geno you lived up to your billing he will make the play that will cost you the game ......
The guy's arrogance is what eventually cost him his job. Good fucking riddance to them both
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The man just can't help himself. Literally.
e why is he stupid ...he played better than Eli(zabeth)to a lot of people
What the hell kind of username is that? Seriously?
McAdoo's problem with Eli was that he wasn't Aaron Rodgers. The offensive scheme, such as it was, didn't make the best use of available personnel. The play calling was predictable and pedestrian. He didn't use assets like Rhett Ellison as a receiver or to augment the lousy offensive line. He was a terrible coach and his willingness to throw Manning under the bus just underscores how ill-prepared he was to ne head coach of the NY Giants.
Couldn't have said it better.
The is absolutely no logic to support that as a good move. It helps zero in the future development or assessment of Webb and all it did was give a journeyman QB some snaps.
As a stand alone decision - that in itself should have been enough to get him fired, simply for the lack of foresight and understanding.
The reaction to it was ridiculous. We were already eliminated. What did it hurt to give the very backup a half of snaps?
Eli's and some fans' feelings.
I agree it could have been better, but the reactions by Eli and subsequent one by both the media and the fans were completely over the top and uncalled for.
Eli was not benched. He decided he didn't want to give up any snaps and benched himself in a meaningless game.
1. Hire McAdoo as your head coach when he was nothing more than (according to Greg Jennings) an over-paid gym teacher in Green Bay.
2. Fire Coughlin when anyone with a kindergarten football IQ knew that Reese was as much if not more of the problem.
3. Promote Mac to head coach after a cup of coffee as an OC while other candidates who are more qualified are turned down.
4. Watch your superstar GM continue to screw up the OL with a QB who needs a protected pocket even more than other QBs in the league.
5. Allow this clusterfuck of a benching to occur blaming McAdoo when many people believe it was Reese and Mara who wanted to make the change. ... and then tell the fans that they got too emotional over the decision.... like WE were the assholes.
** I am reading in the earlier posts how McAdoo's offense was not a fit for Eli. Meanwhile, there was the belief that McAdoo was hired as the head coach to keep some consistency in the system for Eli. If that scenario was true... then was there ANYONE in the front office who what the fuck they were doing? Anyone at all?
huh??
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when the plan didn't involve Webb and was instead meant to get Geno into games.
The is absolutely no logic to support that as a good move. It helps zero in the future development or assessment of Webb and all it did was give a journeyman QB some snaps.
As a stand alone decision - that in itself should have been enough to get him fired, simply for the lack of foresight and understanding.
The reaction to it was ridiculous. We were already eliminated. What did it hurt to give the very backup a half of snaps?
Eli's and some fans' feelings.
I agree it could have been better, but the reactions by Eli and subsequent one by both the media and the fans were completely over the top and uncalled for.
Eli was not benched. He decided he didn't want to give up any snaps and benched himself in a meaningless game.
That’s Eli’s replacement!?!?!?
Mcadoo and Reese are just sad.
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The man just can't help himself. Literally.
e why is he stupid ...he played better than Eli(zabeth)to a lot of people
What the hell kind of username is that? Seriously?
Why was the play calling painfully predictable? No notable upgrades on the OL. The running game was always trash. Why did the offense go from top 10 to not being able to score 30 in almost 2 years??? That absolutely baffles me. Was Tom Coughlin that much of an influence on the offense? I don't know. Guess we will never know.
Why was the play calling painfully predictable? No notable upgrades on the OL. The running game was always trash. Why did the offense go from top 10 to not being able to score 30 in almost 2 years??? That absolutely baffles me. Was Tom Coughlin that much of an influence on the offense? I don't know. Guess we will never know.
Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men?
that pretty much distorts the plan presented to Eli. And universally, by professional players, the presented plan was called insulting.
No,those are the facts. The distortion is the narrative that Eli was benched. I won't argue that it was delivered properly, it whether Eli was right to be upset. I will argue that he, the media, the fans, and many others overreacted.
Eli's feelings were hurt. He didn't want to come out at half. He'd rather have sat on the bench than go into a game knowing they were going to take him out at half. All facts, as reported by Eli himself.
Not distorted.
IMO there was a much better way for Eli to have handled this. The defense of his behavior refuses to acknowledge that, instead pointing only to how there was a better way for the NYG to have handled it. I say it was poorly handled by everyone, Eli included.
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that pretty much distorts the plan presented to Eli. And universally, by professional players, the presented plan was called insulting.
No,those are the facts. The distortion is the narrative that Eli was benched. I won't argue that it was delivered properly, it whether Eli was right to be upset. I will argue that he, the media, the fans, and many others overreacted.
Eli's feelings were hurt. He didn't want to come out at half. He'd rather have sat on the bench than go into a game knowing they were going to take him out at half. All facts, as reported by Eli himself.
Not distorted.
IMO there was a much better way for Eli to have handled this. The defense of his behavior refuses to acknowledge that, instead pointing only to how there was a better way for the NYG to have handled it. I say it was poorly handled by everyone, Eli included.
Completely agree my friends and I were recently talking about it. Eli insisted it be announced to the media as well. It makes his nearly crying while talking to the reporters a little suspect. The public outrage was a bit too much.
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that pretty much distorts the plan presented to Eli. And universally, by professional players, the presented plan was called insulting.
No,those are the facts. The distortion is the narrative that Eli was benched. I won't argue that it was delivered properly, it whether Eli was right to be upset. I will argue that he, the media, the fans, and many others overreacted.
Eli's feelings were hurt. He didn't want to come out at half. He'd rather have sat on the bench than go into a game knowing they were going to take him out at half. All facts, as reported by Eli himself.
Not distorted.
IMO there was a much better way for Eli to have handled this. The defense of his behavior refuses to acknowledge that, instead pointing only to how there was a better way for the NYG to have handled it. I say it was poorly handled by everyone, Eli included.
It is absurd for you to place the blame on Eli with regards to this. I mean seriously it is absolutely ridiculous given how that fiasco went down. From the lies by Reese and McAdoo to Mara's excuse, blaming Eli is about the most idiotic thing I have seen on here
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that pretty much distorts the plan presented to Eli. And universally, by professional players, the presented plan was called insulting.
No,those are the facts. The distortion is the narrative that Eli was benched. I won't argue that it was delivered properly, it whether Eli was right to be upset. I will argue that he, the media, the fans, and many others overreacted.
Eli's feelings were hurt. He didn't want to come out at half. He'd rather have sat on the bench than go into a game knowing they were going to take him out at half. All facts, as reported by Eli himself.
Not distorted.
IMO there was a much better way for Eli to have handled this. The defense of his behavior refuses to acknowledge that, instead pointing only to how there was a better way for the NYG to have handled it. I say it was poorly handled by everyone, Eli included.
Completely agree my friends and I were recently talking about it. Eli insisted it be announced to the media as well. It makes his nearly crying while talking to the reporters a little suspect. The public outrage was a bit too much.
LMAO...What an inane take on that situation
McAdoo should have let Eli play and if Eli was not effective then pull him for Geno or Webb--
There were certainly games where Eli was sucking and deserved to be benched.
THis would have put the burden on Eli to play better and not on mcadoo for ending Eli's streak.
The reaction to it was ridiculous. We were already eliminated. What did it hurt to give the very backup a half of snaps?
The reaction wasn't ridiculous because people rightly saw what a terrible plan it was. They benched eli for Geno Smith. Not for Davis Webb, but for a guy who will never be a meaningful player in the NFL.
Furthermore, it put a spotlight on two things:
1) Mac's incompetence in personnel by not developing Webb
2) Mac's inability to recognize the situation
The reaction was appropriate because it was a complete shitshow.