posters on BBI when it comes to Eli Manning?
Personally, I trust DG and Shurmur because idk, they seem to be pretty good at what they do. Maybe I'm naive.
I'm only writing this because of the posters on here that have this strange obsession with blaming literally everything on Eli. "3-13?" Eli. "McAdoo?" Eli. "I forgot to take my One-a-day over 50 vitamin?" Eli.
Is Eli what he was 6 years ago? No. But can you seriously say with a straight face that Eli is our biggest problem? Even putting all of his past accomplishments to the side, you REALLY think he's THAT bad? He's obviously declined, who wouldn't at his age, but like DG/Shurm have said - he's got years left.
DO YOU KNOW WHY?
An aging, old, decrepit Eli Manning is still better than half of the quarterbacks in the league and it's still better than throwing some rookie in there.
As far as the draft, nobody knows for sure what's going to happen. It's a win-win-win-win. (For the record, I have no preference what we do, this is unbiased).
1. You take a QB - great! Now we have a presumable heir.
2. You take Barkley - wow! Now we have a presumable rushing attack that we haven't had in years.
3. You take Nelson - hell yea! Now we have a presumable blue chip interior lineman for a decade.
4. We trade down - wubba lubba dub dub! Now we have more picks to add depth to our team.
Notice how I kept saying "presumable." Because no matter who we draft, you just never know what they're going to become. I don't care if you'd bet your life on a prospect, you just never know.
So, when we have a "declining, old, useless, terrible" QB still on the roster that the GM and the head coach are rallying behind, I'm going to go all-in and believe in them and Eli. Eli now is still better than any rookie and at least half of the QB's in the league. Teams would kill to have Eli, and here we are constantly scapegoating him.
Eli has never had a bad year. The worst he's ever performed is "average." I swear it's like some of you don't watch other teams on Sunday's to see what else is out there. We should be so grateful.
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And I think he is heavily involved. I think Gettleman got the job in large part because he was open to keeping Eli. I think the whole public reaction to the benching last year freaked Mara out and his response is to avoid forcing a change until the evidence is just overwhelming.
Gettleman was brought in to patch this thing up and try to force another run. I fully believe that. The right thing to do was burn it down and start fresh but Mara is not that kind of risk taker.
Fair enough, but I wonder how every would have reacted if it was Davis Webb instead of Geno freaking Smith. This season could be so much different.
If you mean did it scar (not scare) Mara, the question is a legitimate one. I think Mara was totally caught of guard with the blowback, which I do not think would have been nearly as great if the brain trust went to Davis Webb instead of Geno Smith. Davis Webb is about the future and judging it, Geno Smith was a slap in Eli's face and it was scapegoating him for a whole plethora of problems that Eli, by and large, was the victim of--not the cause of. However, I have no way of knowing, but I hope Mara understands that most people were upset by the way Eli was scapegoated and that Geno was never the answer and should never have started in his place--not that that the fan base is reluctant to move forward with a new qb. We will always love and respect Eli, but I think many of us think we should plan for his future. That is not a slap at Eli, that is just the reality.
Great post!!!!!!!!!!! This is exactly how I and many of my friends felt.
The fact that ownership couldn't understand this basic principle makes me completely skeptical of what they're trying to do.
Eli shouldn't be on this team any more nor should we have gone after Solder.
Now that we're here - I'm all in to try to win now because the ownership has freaked out and The GM is doing his job to try to win now.
What happens if we extend our streak of scoring <30 by another six games? What if we're 4-2 because of the defense playing lights out and scoring only 13 ppg, and they decide to bench Eli for real? Will we trust them then?
What if we start it 1-7 with some real heartbreaking losses?
We'll see about trust then, not based on anything said right now.
The Front Office and the team sucked last year. It needed to make changes at many levels which seems to be happening with a new GM, new Coach and new players which could be good, or it could be the same.
But it couldn't hurt...
We will have at least 2 new starters at LB a new slot corner, maybe a new FS, a whole new OL, a new #2 receiver, a new backup (and future QB) and a new mix at RB. What the hell more do people want. (oh and a new punter for good measure).
The draft will give us an indication of whether they are truly "going for it now" or just improving the roster (which is what any competent front office should be doing.)
There are SEVERAL QB prospects worth the #2 pick. Passing up this opportunity when they are just guessing about Webb would indicate they are really riding Eli to the end.
I can't stand, though, when people equate hate with recognizing reality. He has regressed and I don't think we can realistically plan on winning or competing at the highest levels with him anymore. That is my opinion. I am not the almighty, I could be wrong. But, because of that opinion I think it is necessary that we draft his replacement. That is not hating him, that is just recognizing what I believe is his ability at 37 years old. If the Giants won the Super Bowl next year and I had to eat crow from here to wherever the Super Bowl is, I would be the happiest person in the world to do so and admit how wrong I was. This has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with what is the best for our franchise going forward. I read in some thread earlier someone said we need to rebuild and it doesn't matter when we get the QB. So, his advice was to add the best player. I could not disagree more. In two years from now, we might by a 7 win, a 5 win, a 6 win team and we won't be in this position. So, if Rosen will have an A-/B+ career and Saquon will have an A+ career, I would rather have Rosen based on the position. A lot of A-/B+ guys have won the super bowl (Eli, Flacco, Ben), most A+ running backs have not won a Super Bowl--Sanders, Dickerson, AP, etc. ANd, usually the A+ guys who have won it, have done so with outstanding QBs, Terrell Davis, Marshall Faulk, etc. The only A+ guy I can think of in my lifetime who has won it without a good qb is Walter Payton. That is why not all positions are created equally
i agree completely with this post
The cheerleaders are making this a way more difficult situation than it is. So anyone that thinks Eli is at the end hates Eli? 37 yr old former star qb with 2 straight disappointing seasons. Reality. Odds are against him turning it around, anyone suggesting otherwise is basing it on hope. Hopefully he defies the odds, but I’m hoping the giants aren’t betting on it.
The cheerleaders are making this a way more difficult situation than it is. So anyone that thinks Eli is at the end hates Eli? 37 yr old former star qb with 2 straight disappointing seasons. Reality. Odds are against him turning it around, anyone suggesting otherwise is basing it on hope. Hopefully he defies the odds, but I’m hoping the giants aren’t betting on it.
We will have at least 2 new starters at LB a new slot corner, maybe a new FS, a whole new OL, a new #2 receiver, a new backup (and future QB) and a new mix at RB. What the hell more do people want. (oh and a new punter for good measure).
The draft will give us an indication of whether they are truly "going for it now" or just improving the roster (which is what any competent front office should be doing.)
There are SEVERAL QB prospects worth the #2 pick. Passing up this opportunity when they are just guessing about Webb would indicate they are really riding Eli to the end.
This is the commentary I see that I really don't get. How are the Giants guessing about Webb any more than they are guessing about Darnold (or Rosen). In fact they have seen Webb for 1 year in practices, he has spent a year in the offense, and he's played in pre-season games. Sure its not a lot, but its certainly a lot more to go on than with a college senior in the draft.
IMO, the Giants should be able to make an educated assessment of Webb (definitely more educated than a draftee). If they decide they like what they see, and Webb can be the next QB, then draft Barkley or trade down. If they judge he can't, and think a few years from now Darnold would be better, than take him. Either way I'm ok.
"The Giants aren't re-building because Eli is still here"
and i don't mean funny as in ha-ha...
You have an odd sense of humor.
Eli is somewhere on the agenda to be addressed...tbd
I cringed at the Eli never had a bad year line above. Saying that with a straight face had to be tough.
Defending it without cracking a smile would be even more impressive.
Give me a sticky on that one anytime...