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Do you think Mccaffrey impacts Barkley decision?

armstead98 : 3/16/2018 5:58 pm
Gettleman took Mccaffrey last year at #8, indicating he's willing to take a RB with a top 10 pick. The thing is, Mccaffrey was a bit of a disappointment and I'm wondering if Gettleman regretted the pick and therefore is less likely to take a RB early.

To me it says Gettleman values the position and the special skill position players and he's more likely than maybe some other GMs to take Barkley at 2.

What do others think?
Um  
BleedBlue : 3/16/2018 6:02 pm : link
Macaffrey wasn't/isn't a disappointment. That team was definitely but not him....he did pretty well for a rookie.

Not to mention you cannot compare a Swiss army knife type guy to a true every down running ack with the measurables of Barkley....
Umm. Not tp hijack your thread but  
Pete in 'Vliet : 3/16/2018 6:02 pm : link
is over 1000 total yards and 7 tds really a dissapointment for a rookie rb?
Gettleman...  
OBJRoyal : 3/16/2018 6:03 pm : link
Has stated multiple times that they are looking for "football players", and Barkley seems to be the best in this draft. I could see Barkley in blue for sure
No  
jeff57 : 3/16/2018 6:03 pm : link
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two things  
battttles : 3/16/2018 6:04 pm : link
1. He already had an NFL MVP under center in Cam. These are vastly different situations.

2. I'm hoping it means that Getts understands that the NFL is moving to more multiple offensive looks. "Tweeners" are what you want. An RB that can play WR. A WR that can run from the backfield. A TE that can play WR. This is where we're heading on both sides of the ball.
I have been thinking about this the last couple days but its really  
wgenesis123 : 3/16/2018 6:05 pm : link
hard to draw any conclusions one way or another without some sort of comment from DG as insight.
to add  
battttles : 3/16/2018 6:06 pm : link
I think his pick of Curtis Samuel reinforces my thoughts above
Disappointment  
armstead98 : 3/16/2018 6:09 pm : link
I guess it's fair to question that characterization. He was without question a devestating receiver, racking up almost 80 catches and 600 yards. He was so good he ended up playing mostly receiver.

But as a runner? He averaged 3.7 YPC and about 400 yards. Not horrible, but definitely not what they were hoping for.

If he's a glorified third down back, that's fine but not worthy of the 8th pick.
Picking a franchise QB  
Chris L. : 3/16/2018 6:10 pm : link
is what is going to impact the Barkley decision
RE: I have been thinking about this the last couple days but its really  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/16/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 13870039 wgenesis123 said:
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hard to draw any conclusions one way or another without some sort of comment from DG as insight.

What makes you think any comments from DG qualify as insight? I'm not sure why anyone thinks the front office has an obligation to be open and honest with the media or fans, especially leading up to the draft.
I don’t get people quoting DG either  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2018 6:13 pm : link
it’s certainly not a blueprint to his plans. But to answer the question I think him taking McCaffery certainly puts Barkley in play as it shows he’s not against taking a RB high. But the real answer will be which QB is our #1 and whether or not the Browns take him.
RE: Gettleman...  
Milton : 3/16/2018 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13870036 OBJRoyal said:
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Has stated multiple times that they are looking for "football players", and Barkley seems to be the best in this draft.
Seems? I know not seems.
McCaffrey was very good  
RAIN : 3/16/2018 6:13 pm : link
they didn't over use him. Cam looked the other way quite a bit in Christian's first year.
RE: Disappointment  
BleedBlue : 3/16/2018 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13870046 armstead98 said:
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I guess it's fair to question that characterization. He was without question a devestating receiver, racking up almost 80 catches and 600 yards. He was so good he ended up playing mostly receiver.

But as a runner? He averaged 3.7 YPC and about 400 yards. Not horrible, but definitely not what they were hoping for.

If he's a glorified third down back, that's fine but not worthy of the 8th pick.


Exactly my point....you cannot compare the two backs....Barkley is the superior prospect and imo DG was looking to just add explosive players to the offense...he has said we want good football players and KMC is that as is Barkley. He was looking to add talent to offense...he will do same thing at 2 imo
They took McCaffrey  
Sammo85 : 3/16/2018 6:27 pm : link
because their offense was filled with inconsistent offensive players like Funchess and Benjamin or declining vets like Olsen and Stewart.
Carolina had younger QB in Cam QB at 27, we have Eli at 37  
GFAN52 : 3/16/2018 6:28 pm : link
Different situation.
Not sure "impact" is the right term...  
BamaBlue : 3/16/2018 6:30 pm : link
Gettleman's decision may not be influenced by McCaffery, but it may be an indication that he's willing to draft a quality running back in the first round.

The only complicating factor... and it's a big one is Gettleman's position with the selection of a QB. This QB class is about as good as it gets in the NFL draft. He has to know that he has other excellent options. Who really knows, but Gettleman and the Giants ownership may be thinking it would be great to grab a RB with the #2 pick, but the franchise needs to take advantage of the high draft pick and the excellent QB prospects. This is very similar to the situation that faced Ernie Accorsi and the Giants in 2004. It would have been great to grab a (at that time) top LT prospect in Robert Gallery, but the chance to draft a franchise QB in a strong QB class was too great of an opportunity.

Accorsi was pretty transparent about his thoughts that Manning was the top QB prospect. It wound up costing him and the Giants a lot to get their guy. Gettleman has not been as forthcoming with his preference and he doesn't need to be. If there's a lesson in all of this hype about the top 2018 draft pick, maybe it's the sounds of silence from the front office...
To be fair to McCaffery,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2018 6:36 pm : link
the Panthers' leading rusher was Cam Newton. It doesn't seem like they were capable of running the football. It might not be just McCaffery failing to get it down. Could easily been schematic.
Hope not  
WillVAB : 3/16/2018 6:49 pm : link
Mccafrey was over drafted when you look at the RB talent that went after him.
Where were all the negative comments about Carolina’s rushing  
Ivan15 : 3/16/2018 6:51 pm : link
Accomplishments when everyone wanted the Giants to sign Norwell?
RE: Where were all the negative comments about Carolina’s rushing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13870089 Ivan15 said:
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Accomplishments when everyone wanted the Giants to sign Norwell?


It could be that it would be kind of stupid to try to pin that on one player.
My comment is about the performance of the offensive line of which  
Ivan15 : 3/16/2018 7:02 pm : link
Norwell was supposed to be a key part. What I’m reading is that the line wasn’t that good because Newton was the leading rusher and McCaffery wasn’t.
Gettlemen knows he has a chance to  
Rflairr : 3/16/2018 7:10 pm : link
get the next Great Big Blue QB. And do it
RE: RE: Gettleman...  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/16/2018 7:17 pm : link
In comment 13870051 Milton said:
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In comment 13870036 OBJRoyal said:


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Has stated multiple times that they are looking for "football players", and Barkley seems to be the best in this draft.

Seems? I know not seems.


Milton, I'm impressed! So much of our draft discussion these days is Hamlet-esque.
to QB  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/16/2018 7:18 pm : link
or not to QB? That is the question.
Do people watch  
mdthedream : 3/16/2018 7:21 pm : link
the games or just make this stuff up.
McCaffrey disappointed as a runner maybe  
Vanzetti : 3/16/2018 7:31 pm : link
But overall, he was effective. I think he was chosen more for his ability catching the ball

I see him as about what you would hope for in a runner. But since DG took him a lot higher than he was expected to go, I could see the pick as an argument in favor of the possibility that he might take Barkley.
RE: My comment is about the performance of the offensive line of which  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/16/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13870101 Ivan15 said:
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Norwell was supposed to be a key part. What I’m reading is that the line wasn’t that good because Newton was the leading rusher and McCaffery wasn’t.


Your comment seems to be that if their offensive line wasn't good, then how could Norwell be good, which is a weird comment to make.
Elway had like a 20-23 record at Stanford  
Jimmy Googs : 3/16/2018 7:35 pm : link
and never led the team to a bowl game.

What a fkin' loser he was...
Whoops, wrong thread  
Jimmy Googs : 3/16/2018 7:36 pm : link
never mind...
Two completely different scenarios  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2018 8:33 pm : link
As the Panthers had a franchise QB already. McCaffrey should show exactly why you don't take a RB in the top 10 let alone the top 5. McCaffrey was decent last season. Good as a receiver. Not good as a runner. The NFLs leading rusher went in the 3rd round and so did the offensive rookie of the year did too. Dalvin Cook was well on his way to a Pro Bowl/OROY season and he was drafted in the 2nd round. You can find quality RBs in the later rounds so the value isn't there drafting a RB in the top 5.

The Rams are a perfect example of why you don't take a RB. Todd Gurley is awesome. He's a complete stud, but in his first 2 years they went 11 & 21. They get a franchise QB and went 11 & 5. QB is by far a more important position and also they play for much longer.

Just look at the 2004 draft. The top 3 QBs are still around and playing at a high level after 15 years. The top 3 RBs didn't come close. Steven Jackson played until 2015. His career was really done in 2012. Chris Perry retired in 2008 and Kevin Jones retired in 2009. So 2 of the top 3 RBs played for 1/3 the amount of time as Eli, Rivers & Ben.
Good post Rick  
Jimmy Googs : 3/16/2018 8:39 pm : link
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RE: Umm. Not tp hijack your thread but  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13870035 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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is over 1000 total yards and 7 tds really a dissapointment for a rookie rb?


Idk about disappointment, but he really wasn't that good last year. Definitely didn't live up to the hype of being a top 8 pick. He had 435 yards rushing at 3.7 YPC with a very good OL. The rookie RB we drafted with the 140th overall pick had 476 yards rushing at 4.3 YPC with a terrible OL.

McCaffrey was good as a receiver though and still only had 400 more yards from scrimmage then Gallman. McCaffrey played behind an OL that had a Pro Bowler, 1st team All Pro & 2nd team All Pro. McCaffrey also played 746 snaps. While Gallman played 323. So the 8th overall pick and the 140th overall pick averaged a little over 2 yards per snap played.
RE: Two completely different scenarios  
jhibb : 3/16/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13870171 Big Rick in FL said:
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The Rams are a perfect example of why you don't take a RB. Todd Gurley is awesome. He's a complete stud, but in his first 2 years they went 11 & 21. They get a franchise QB and went 11 & 5. QB is by far a more important position and also they play for much longer.


They actually went 15-17 the first two years after taking the QB.
They only went 11-5 in the 2nd year after taking the QB, or the 3rd after taking the RB.

I mean, one could point out that they picked the RB and went from 6-10 the previous year to 7-9. Then they picked the QB and went from 7-9 the previous year to 4-12. The 11-5 came when they were both in place with some experience under their belts (and a new coach, of course).


RE: RE: Two completely different scenarios  
Big Rick in FL : 3/16/2018 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13870217 jhibb said:
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In comment 13870171 Big Rick in FL said:


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The Rams are a perfect example of why you don't take a RB. Todd Gurley is awesome. He's a complete stud, but in his first 2 years they went 11 & 21. They get a franchise QB and went 11 & 5. QB is by far a more important position and also they play for much longer.




They actually went 15-17 the first two years after taking the QB.
They only went 11-5 in the 2nd year after taking the QB, or the 3rd after taking the RB.

I mean, one could point out that they picked the RB and went from 6-10 the previous year to 7-9. Then they picked the QB and went from 7-9 the previous year to 4-12. The 11-5 came when they were both in place with some experience under their belts (and a new coach, of course).



I'm obviously talking about Goff's first full year as a starter.
RE: Not sure  
mattyblue : 3/16/2018 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13870068 BamaBlue said:
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Gettleman's decision may not be influenced by McCaffery, but it may be an indication that he's willing to draft a quality running back in the first round.

The only complicating factor... and it's a big one is Gettleman's position with the selection of a QB. This QB class is about as good as it gets in the NFL draft. He has to know that he has other excellent options. Who really knows, but Gettleman and the Giants ownership may be thinking it would be great to grab a RB with the #2 pick, but the franchise needs to take advantage of the high draft pick and the excellent QB prospects. This is very similar to the situation that faced Ernie Accorsi and the Giants in 2004. It would have been great to grab a (at that time) top LT prospect in Robert Gallery, but the chance to draft a franchise QB in a strong QB class was too great of an opportunity.

Accorsi was pretty transparent about his thoughts that Manning was the top QB prospect. It wound up costing him and the Giants a lot to get their guy. Gettleman has not been as forthcoming with his preference and he doesn't need to be. If there's a lesson in all of this hype about the top 2018 draft pick, maybe it's the sounds of silence from the front office...


Very true! I don’t see how you don’t grab a QB with this unbelievable opportunity. Eli is missing easy throws left and right. Everyone loves Eli, but how can you not realize that we hopefully will not be in this position again. These QBs are good. I did a lot of work on them this year and while I am definitely not a scout, I have heard some pretty knowledgeable people say how good they are. Eli has said a thousand times he doesn’t mind if they take a QB and he understands how it works.
RE: RE: RE: Two completely different scenarios  
jhibb : 3/16/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13870222 Big Rick in FL said:
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In comment 13870217 jhibb said:


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In comment 13870171 Big Rick in FL said:


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The Rams are a perfect example of why you don't take a RB. Todd Gurley is awesome. He's a complete stud, but in his first 2 years they went 11 & 21. They get a franchise QB and went 11 & 5. QB is by far a more important position and also they play for much longer.




They actually went 15-17 the first two years after taking the QB.
They only went 11-5 in the 2nd year after taking the QB, or the 3rd after taking the RB.

I mean, one could point out that they picked the RB and went from 6-10 the previous year to 7-9. Then they picked the QB and went from 7-9 the previous year to 4-12. The 11-5 came when they were both in place with some experience under their belts (and a new coach, of course).





I'm obviously talking about Goff's first full year as a starter.


That's fine, but you're taking the team's record when starting a rookie QB for 7 games and holding it against the RB but not the QB.

But regardless, I guess I just don't see it as a "perfect example of why you don't pick a RB," even if you see him as a transcendent talent. Maybe if Gurley was hurt this past season and the franchise QB went 11-5 without him, but as it was, Gurley was a HUGE reason for Goff's (and the team's) success this season.
Gurley  
WillVAB : 3/16/2018 11:19 pm : link
A lot of people conveniently forget he sucked in ‘16.
RE: Umm. Not tp hijack your thread but  
HomerJones45 : 3/16/2018 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13870035 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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is over 1000 total yards and 7 tds really a dissapointment for a rookie rb?
For a RB who was the 8th pick in the draft, yes. 440 yards rushing, didn't average 4 yards a carry. He did catch 80 passes which is very good, but the 8th pick running back needs to be more than Reggie Bush-lite.
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