#Giants free agent OL Justin Pugh is signing with the #AZCardinals, sources tell me and @MikeGarafolo. It’s a 5-year deal worth just over $45M. A huge deal to end the week.
just incredible how different the OL will look in 2018 compared to last year. Flowers may be the only starter who is the same, and he'll be playing a different position.
will be interesting to see what he got in guaranteed money Â
just incredible how different the OL will look in 2018 compared to last year. Flowers may be the only starter who is the same, and he'll be playing a different position.
It's so weird... I feel like Solder isn't worth the money, but I know for a fact Richburg and Pugh aren't worth that money. I guess that's NFL free agency for ya'.
What a freaking disaster Reese's recent drafts have been.
A lot of talk about how #2 is such a hard franchise altering pick but myself and many others felt this way when we started having top 10 picks routinely. We got one right with Beckham but Flowers and Apple were the other 2 and Pugh was a reach and need top 20 pick as well. A common meme was how Reese always nailed his 1st round pick.. Not so much.
if we're gonna call Pugh a reach. By what measure? Sometimes guys are the right pick at the time and it simply doesn't work out over the long term. He's an NFL-caliber starter.
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if we're gonna call Pugh a reach. By what measure? Sometimes guys are the right pick at the time and it simply doesn't work out over the long term. He's an NFL-caliber starter.
From what I recall he was a reach at the time so was Kyle Long who went one pick later.
We picked Pugh over Xavier Rhodes and DeAndre Hopkins.
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if we're gonna call Pugh a reach. By what measure? Sometimes guys are the right pick at the time and it simply doesn't work out over the long term. He's an NFL-caliber starter.
From what I recall he was a reach at the time so was Kyle Long who went one pick later.
We picked Pugh over Xavier Rhodes and DeAndre Hopkins.
And Travis Frederick and Zach Ertz and Darius Slay and Leveon Bell.
It will be interesting to see if he stays healthy Â
if we're gonna call Pugh a reach. By what measure? Sometimes guys are the right pick at the time and it simply doesn't work out over the long term. He's an NFL-caliber starter.
I understand what you are saying and you are not incorrect, but the truth is this is ANOTHER player who will not see his second contract with the Giants. They let him walk because he could not stay on the field. (And I personally wonder if he milked some of these injuries knowing his upcoming FA status).
What a freaking disaster Reese's recent drafts have been.
in fairness, pugh is a serviceable, versatile guy, he just can't be counted on to stay healthy. his only knock, other than the recent comments saying he is not so committed to his profession.
He was the best rookie right tackle in the league . When they switched him to guard, over a two-year period, he was close to as good as anyone in the league . He got concussed . He hurt his back . He was not a reach . I could never figure out why Coughlin and Flarety didn’t put him at LOT his rookie season. Instead they went with the “five best” rationale .
He and Richburg are better than the guys the Giants have taking their places . So in my opinion. Gettleman did not do a great job evaluating the line . If Solder pops a labrum the first couple of months , however unfair it might be, he will look like an asshole .
was that he was a first round pick and we were hoping for a perennial all pro at that position with that pick. Yes there were others that we could have had who were better, but there were also Oline players picked ahead of Pugh who were worse - Joekel and Fluker being two examples. Pugh was a competent player for us who did his job when not injured... But the price is simply too high for his level of capability and his leaving is the right outcome for both parties. Glad he did well for himself and certainly wish him well in Arizona...
Gettleman is making up for the lost draft years of Reese. Â
Pugh definitely wasn't a reach. If I remember correctly a lot of people said the Bears were going to take him 1 pick after us.
Also let's not say Apple was a bad pick. He showed a lot of promise in year 1. Had a bad year 2, but so did everybody on the team. He's 22 years old and had a really rough year off the field. His parents got divorced and his Mom was spreading lies about the man who raised him & the rest of his Brothers/Sisters. His Mom had to have brain surgery. Yeah I know it's easy to say he's an athlete and that shouldn't effect him on the field, but that's simply not true. He's a human and that kinda shit gets to you.
My Mom & Stepfather got divorced when I was 18 and it was a really tough thing to deal with. Seeing the two people that raised you fighting (Trying to make one parent out to be a gold digger is even worse). It essentially changes your whole life and the only thing you've ever known.
Then the brain surgery will have a huge impact on just about anybody. My Mom had to get rushed to the hospital 2 weeks ago and was in there for a few days. The Dr's were worried about colon cancer. I couldn't focus on work. I was a nervous wreck worrying about my Mother while we awaited her results. Luckily she is ok, but I can't even imagine having to worry about my Mom having brain surgery where she could die or end up as a vegetable.
So yeah he was horrible this past year, but I'm gonna give him a pass before saying he's a bust. Our entire team was a mess playing for a HC that a lot of players didn't seem to like.
The Az OL is meh at best, and no QB, and only 1 receiver. That scenario would have Rams, Seattle, and SF DLs attacking their OL...pretty much like our 2017 was attacked.
Smells of 6 games,a pulled hammy or pec muscle, and a concussion headed his way.
these guys "who are only 20-22 years old" and they show flashes. Apple, Pugh were first round picks who didn't stick around. Apple was such a stupid stupid pick.
Pugh was never coming back here. It made sense to let him go.
He's a good player but not the type of player you give a sizable second contract to. He's just not reliable enough, and wherever that leak came from about the org questioning his priorities/commitment, I think it was genuine.
When you're ushering in a new era, this is one of the players that are difficult to make a decision on - because he's a good football player, but doesn't necessarily fit in with what the new regime is trying to accomplish.
The writing was on the wall for a long time. I never expected him back here, but I also have nothing against him or the Cards - so, I hope he does well there and wish him the best of luck.
I wanted to keep Kennard as I thought he was worthy but only at the right price. Richburg was just too small at OC. Pugh was hurt too often to deal him bigger money. He was versatile though and in that respect I did want him back - but not at $45m.
Overall, I think we are doing OK in free agency.
If the Browns take Darnold or Barkley, I would NOT be shocked if the Giants traded down (Rosen being on the board....) and we take OL Allen and a bunch of other solid Round 1, 2 picks. It all boils down to whether we get the right players drafted with this Gettleman regime.
Anybody that thinks the are worth anything doesn't know wtf is up with the Giants. These guys killed the culture of this team. They are horrible on the field, terribly injury prone, and two of the biggest assholes around. Neither one of them can hack it at this level and they really do know it because it really does show. They wear it on their sleeves. They both have inferiority complexes. There never was any chemistry at all with these guys. There was nobody who could even lead the group because of the bad atmosphere created by outmatched jerk-offs who walk around like somebody pissed in their cheerios. Fuck them. Good riddance. I am am insanely glad that Gettleman made zero effort to sign these douche bags. Now we can get back to practicing hard in the trenches as we all know that the defensive line has been hurt too by this situation because they had to play fucking patty-cake all through training camp so they didn't break the offensive linemen's fragile spirits.
Anybody that thinks the are worth anything doesn't know wtf is up with the Giants. These guys killed the culture of this team. They are horrible on the field, terribly injury prone, and two of the biggest assholes around. Neither one of them can hack it at this level and they really do know it because it really does show. They wear it on their sleeves. They both have inferiority complexes. There never was any chemistry at all with these guys. There was nobody who could even lead the group because of the bad atmosphere created by outmatched jerk-offs who walk around like somebody pissed in their cheerios. Fuck them. Good riddance. I am am insanely glad that Gettleman made zero effort to sign these douche bags. Now we can get back to practicing hard in the trenches as we all know that the defensive line has been hurt too by this situation because they had to play fucking patty-cake all through training camp so they didn't break the offensive linemen's fragile spirits.
Anybody that thinks the are worth anything doesn't know wtf is up with the Giants. These guys killed the culture of this team. They are horrible on the field, terribly injury prone, and two of the biggest assholes around. Neither one of them can hack it at this level and they really do know it because it really does show. They wear it on their sleeves. They both have inferiority complexes. There never was any chemistry at all with these guys. There was nobody who could even lead the group because of the bad atmosphere created by outmatched jerk-offs who walk around like somebody pissed in their cheerios. Fuck them. Good riddance. I am am insanely glad that Gettleman made zero effort to sign these douche bags. Now we can get back to practicing hard in the trenches as we all know that the defensive line has been hurt too by this situation because they had to play fucking patty-cake all through training camp so they didn't break the offensive linemen's fragile spirits.
Do you spend a lot of time with these guys? You seem to know them pretty well. Also sounds like you spend a lot of time at practices. What other insights on the team can you pass on to those of us who are not part of the organization?
2 days ago posters were positing an Oline with Pugh and I informed those posters that Pugh would be signing in Arizona specifically yesterday.
As always the usual crew came out with guns blazing telling me how I don't know anything and weirdly presuming as always that I'm purposely trying to trick BBI with info or something. I don't know if it's jealousy or whatever it's not a big deal I just happened to know some people in the business.
Someone on this thread said Pugh was as good as any guard Â
Finesse player who plays light in the britches. No nasty. Lack of want-to.
Like most of Reese’s draft picks maybe a nice person to invite to sip wine and play backgammon w on a weeknight but not what this OL should be made up of...
We need guys who are tone setters for this offensive line, that was not Pugh. Give us mentally stronger, physically less fragile.
Wish him the best, perhaps a change of scenery will do him well.
It's so weird... I feel like Solder isn't worth the money, but I know for a fact Richburg and Pugh aren't worth that money. I guess that's NFL free agency for ya'.
A lot of talk about how #2 is such a hard franchise altering pick but myself and many others felt this way when we started having top 10 picks routinely. We got one right with Beckham but Flowers and Apple were the other 2 and Pugh was a reach and need top 20 pick as well. A common meme was how Reese always nailed his 1st round pick.. Not so much.
From what I recall he was a reach at the time so was Kyle Long who went one pick later.
We picked Pugh over Xavier Rhodes and DeAndre Hopkins.
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if we're gonna call Pugh a reach. By what measure? Sometimes guys are the right pick at the time and it simply doesn't work out over the long term. He's an NFL-caliber starter.
From what I recall he was a reach at the time so was Kyle Long who went one pick later.
We picked Pugh over Xavier Rhodes and DeAndre Hopkins.
And Travis Frederick and Zach Ertz and Darius Slay and Leveon Bell.
I understand what you are saying and you are not incorrect, but the truth is this is ANOTHER player who will not see his second contract with the Giants. They let him walk because he could not stay on the field. (And I personally wonder if he milked some of these injuries knowing his upcoming FA status).
in fairness, pugh is a serviceable, versatile guy, he just can't be counted on to stay healthy. his only knock, other than the recent comments saying he is not so committed to his profession.
He and Richburg are better than the guys the Giants have taking their places . So in my opinion. Gettleman did not do a great job evaluating the line . If Solder pops a labrum the first couple of months , however unfair it might be, he will look like an asshole .
He won’t need to start too many games to be better than Schwartz.
Ogletree was coveted in 2013, but we reached for the short armed China Doll, Pugh.
Also let's not say Apple was a bad pick. He showed a lot of promise in year 1. Had a bad year 2, but so did everybody on the team. He's 22 years old and had a really rough year off the field. His parents got divorced and his Mom was spreading lies about the man who raised him & the rest of his Brothers/Sisters. His Mom had to have brain surgery. Yeah I know it's easy to say he's an athlete and that shouldn't effect him on the field, but that's simply not true. He's a human and that kinda shit gets to you.
My Mom & Stepfather got divorced when I was 18 and it was a really tough thing to deal with. Seeing the two people that raised you fighting (Trying to make one parent out to be a gold digger is even worse). It essentially changes your whole life and the only thing you've ever known.
Then the brain surgery will have a huge impact on just about anybody. My Mom had to get rushed to the hospital 2 weeks ago and was in there for a few days. The Dr's were worried about colon cancer. I couldn't focus on work. I was a nervous wreck worrying about my Mother while we awaited her results. Luckily she is ok, but I can't even imagine having to worry about my Mom having brain surgery where she could die or end up as a vegetable.
So yeah he was horrible this past year, but I'm gonna give him a pass before saying he's a bust. Our entire team was a mess playing for a HC that a lot of players didn't seem to like.
Smells of 6 games,a pulled hammy or pec muscle, and a concussion headed his way.
He's a good player but not the type of player you give a sizable second contract to. He's just not reliable enough, and wherever that leak came from about the org questioning his priorities/commitment, I think it was genuine.
When you're ushering in a new era, this is one of the players that are difficult to make a decision on - because he's a good football player, but doesn't necessarily fit in with what the new regime is trying to accomplish.
The writing was on the wall for a long time. I never expected him back here, but I also have nothing against him or the Cards - so, I hope he does well there and wish him the best of luck.
This was a first round pick by Reese that couldve been better. Arizona made a huge mistake.
Overall, I think we are doing OK in free agency.
If the Browns take Darnold or Barkley, I would NOT be shocked if the Giants traded down (Rosen being on the board....) and we take OL Allen and a bunch of other solid Round 1, 2 picks. It all boils down to whether we get the right players drafted with this Gettleman regime.
Anybody that thinks the are worth anything doesn't know wtf is up with the Giants. These guys killed the culture of this team. They are horrible on the field, terribly injury prone, and two of the biggest assholes around. Neither one of them can hack it at this level and they really do know it because it really does show. They wear it on their sleeves. They both have inferiority complexes. There never was any chemistry at all with these guys. There was nobody who could even lead the group because of the bad atmosphere created by outmatched jerk-offs who walk around like somebody pissed in their cheerios. Fuck them. Good riddance. I am am insanely glad that Gettleman made zero effort to sign these douche bags. Now we can get back to practicing hard in the trenches as we all know that the defensive line has been hurt too by this situation because they had to play fucking patty-cake all through training camp so they didn't break the offensive linemen's fragile spirits.
Anybody that thinks the are worth anything doesn't know wtf is up with the Giants. These guys killed the culture of this team. They are horrible on the field, terribly injury prone, and two of the biggest assholes around. Neither one of them can hack it at this level and they really do know it because it really does show. They wear it on their sleeves. They both have inferiority complexes. There never was any chemistry at all with these guys. There was nobody who could even lead the group because of the bad atmosphere created by outmatched jerk-offs who walk around like somebody pissed in their cheerios. Fuck them. Good riddance. I am am insanely glad that Gettleman made zero effort to sign these douche bags. Now we can get back to practicing hard in the trenches as we all know that the defensive line has been hurt too by this situation because they had to play fucking patty-cake all through training camp so they didn't break the offensive linemen's fragile spirits.
Nailed it.
He is however very injury prone which is a problem. Good signing if he can stay healthy, but doubtful to happen.
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Anybody that thinks the are worth anything doesn't know wtf is up with the Giants. These guys killed the culture of this team. They are horrible on the field, terribly injury prone, and two of the biggest assholes around. Neither one of them can hack it at this level and they really do know it because it really does show. They wear it on their sleeves. They both have inferiority complexes. There never was any chemistry at all with these guys. There was nobody who could even lead the group because of the bad atmosphere created by outmatched jerk-offs who walk around like somebody pissed in their cheerios. Fuck them. Good riddance. I am am insanely glad that Gettleman made zero effort to sign these douche bags. Now we can get back to practicing hard in the trenches as we all know that the defensive line has been hurt too by this situation because they had to play fucking patty-cake all through training camp so they didn't break the offensive linemen's fragile spirits.
Do you spend a lot of time with these guys? You seem to know them pretty well. Also sounds like you spend a lot of time at practices. What other insights on the team can you pass on to those of us who are not part of the organization?
Bromley Sintim Austin ETC
What did you tell us? I missed something.
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What did you tell us? I missed something.
2 days ago posters were positing an Oline with Pugh and I informed those posters that Pugh would be signing in Arizona specifically yesterday.
As always the usual crew came out with guns blazing telling me how I don't know anything and weirdly presuming as always that I'm purposely trying to trick BBI with info or something. I don't know if it's jealousy or whatever it's not a big deal I just happened to know some people in the business.
Ogletree was coveted in 2013, but we reached for the short armed China Doll, Pugh.
I’d like to ask you a question. Are you stupid?
First off, Gettleman wasn’t even the Giants GM in 2011 and in 2013 he was with the Panthers.
Your hot takes could fry egg. Holy shit.
Finesse player who plays light in the britches. No nasty. Lack of want-to.
Like most of Reese’s draft picks maybe a nice person to invite to sip wine and play backgammon w on a weeknight but not what this OL should be made up of...
We need guys who are tone setters for this offensive line, that was not Pugh. Give us mentally stronger, physically less fragile.
Wish him the best, perhaps a change of scenery will do him well.