And still take a qb in rd 1.
Giants were a 3-13 team last season and we had many holes and problems. We had a TON of injuries. Our wr corp was decimated. Our star cb was injured, Vernon was playing hurt our oline was garbage, our lber corp was a joke and we had no running game. Plus we had a problem with Apple being a nut job.
The first and most important thing is we have a NEW HC and GM.
We still had key talent on this team. Collins, Snacks, OBJ, Jackrabbit are all coming back. Eli IMO is still a qb that can win (with the right pieces around him).
DG has done a great job this offseason so far with Solder, Omameh, adding linebackers (1 great one through trade). Plus some other moves.
We are moving Flowers which could be huge and we have high hopes for Wheeler.
We still have the draft. We take a future qb at 2 (who ever they like) We still have high picks in the next 4 rounds to add starters and depth at key positions. We can get cb depth or add a rb (this draft is loaded with them) in rds 2 and 3. We can take another oline for depth or to develop.
Last season IMHO was a result of a number of things 1) BAD Coaching, 2 Bad GM (drafting) 3 Injuries 4 Some players with bad attitudes (Like Hart, Jerry, Apple).
Yes we will still have some holes but they will be few and far between. Eagles are good but I think we can challenge them for the division or at least a playoff spot.
OUR FUTURE IS BRIGHT FOR 2019 and beyond!!!!
I'll bring up the KC example again. They traded picks to move up in the draft and get their QB of the future last years. They hit big on RB in round 3 and made the playoffs with a vet QB who had a really good year. We don't need to trade any picks for our QB of the future. We are in a great position in the draft this year.
Also, what is the solution to all of these injuries.
Definitely on the right track so far but theres still a ways to go beforeI start getting excited.
Agree. Jackrabbit and OBJ will come back strong. Pugh and his fragile back is gone. We got a raw deal with losing 4 wr in one game. Vernon will be back strong.
No vocal leaders
Coach losing team
There is not a distinction between rebuilding and retooling. DG is trying to build the best roster he can for this year and for the future, but that takes time. Yes the Giants can compete this year and be better than 3-13, but bad drafting is not fixed in a single year.
I think the arrow is pointed up for the sole reason of coaching first and
Foremost ...... Macadoo’s scheme’s were pretty darn bad .......
90 players they still are going to add about 19 more players
I would say right now we are short 1 DB , RB OL QB WR and depth
Sean, I agree with most of what you say here, but I gotta ask:
Why do you feel the win now vs rebuild is tiresome?
If you mean that it has been discussed and re-discussed a bazillion times on BBI, that is certainly true.
Or, maybe you mean that it's a false dichotomy and one can do both together. Which is fair enough.
But there is a big, big difference between, say, drafting Quenton Nelson, versus a QB at #2. The odds are greater (much greater IMO) that Nelson helps the Giants win more games in 2018 than a brand, spanking new QB.
On the other hand, if we are lucky enough to find a "franchise QB" at #2, that player will play a huge role in future success/wins beyond the 2018 season.
That is why this Board continues debating "win now" vs "rebuild." It is the #1 issue that confronts this franchise!
I like the optimism, however.
B. Need to put an exact label like “rebuilding” and “win now” to describe our off season.
Good stuff.
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Right now DG is trying to put together the best roster he can within the assets available to him. He has addressed the OL & brought in some LB’ers. I’m sure he will take the best available player at 2 & that could be QB. I’d assume he’d like to clear out more players, but cap implications don’t always allow that.
Sean, I agree with most of what you say here, but I gotta ask:
Why do you feel the win now vs rebuild is tiresome?
If you mean that it has been discussed and re-discussed a bazillion times on BBI, that is certainly true.
Or, maybe you mean that it's a false dichotomy and one can do both together. Which is fair enough.
But there is a big, big difference between, say, drafting Quenton Nelson, versus a QB at #2. The odds are greater (much greater IMO) that Nelson helps the Giants win more games in 2018 than a brand, spanking new QB.
On the other hand, if we are lucky enough to find a "franchise QB" at #2, that player will play a huge role in future success/wins beyond the 2018 season.
That is why this Board continues debating "win now" vs "rebuild." It is the #1 issue that confronts this franchise!
I don’t think there are ‘rebuilds’ in the NFL. Teams are constantly re-tooling the roster. I’d personally like to see NYG take a QB, but even if they don’t it very well could be Eli’s last year here.
That 11-5 was a bit of a mirage, relying on the brilliant offensive strategy of "Hope OBJ breaks a slant for a 80 yd TD". I definitely did not feel confident with that team the way they couldn't score 20 pts going into the playoffs, and we got exposed by a not so great GB team.
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Last year a super bowl favorite going into the season. Then we get nailed by injuries at one position group (WR). Stay healthy add Barkley and we will contend. I know a good Running game is a distant memory but it will make this team way better than 11-5 team from 2 years ago. The terrible coach and even worse GM are gone. We may not be Philadelphia but we are better than Dallas who has done nothing in free agency other than lose players. Washington and the Giants are basically even. A playoff team from 2 years ago can go back to the playoff after being destroyed by injuries and a bad lockeroom. Be optimistic
That 11-5 was a bit of a mirage, relying on the brilliant offensive strategy of "Hope OBJ breaks a slant for a 80 yd TD". I definitely did not feel confident with that team the way they couldn't score 20 pts going into the playoffs, and we got exposed by a not so great GB team.
The offense stunk and the main reason for that is gone, along with an OLine trending upward. Add back our best player and why can’t we be a lot better?
We sucked before the injuries and we were over rated before that. Wake up.
If the coaches/management are good, you will see the team get better quickly, but it takes some time for good drafting and such to pan out.
What were the rams in 2016? I’ll give you a hint, 4-12 with their best player (Donald). They had a coaching overhaul, new OL signings and they are right back to being a contender overnight.
So if we went 3-13 WITHOUT our best player, why is it so hard to believe hat things can be turned around quickly?
Giants did this when they got rid of Kerry Collins and drafted Eli in 2004. Its time again.
There’s no blueprint to getting there. The rams compiled top picks for a long time trying to get it right with Goff while also enduring terrible coaching. Hopefully our terrible coaching was a 2 year blip that we can move on from.