Do you think its good value to get an OK QB at two? If the Giants select a QB at two and I would really love to get that QB who is the future at two, I want a top five QB. Is there a top five QB in this draft and if so how come you guys can't agree on who it is? Do you have one QB in mind and if he is selected by Cleveland at one your off the QB carousel or do you just want any QB that DG selects? Is it to much to want a top five QB at pick two in this draft? Do you watch the whole draft or just the first pick? I know you guys cherry pick what you answer but please answer the first and last questions.
I'm not in love with any of the 4. Take Barkley.
It all really depends on how our experts view both the current state and the "ceiling" on these QBs.
And as far as why this board can't agree on which is the best? This is a bunch of amateurs expressing opinions, not NFL scouts. Do you remember 1998 when the top two choices were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf? There was no consensus among the experts about which was the better prospect. That should not preclude selecting a QB with the top pick. DG and his staff are paid to evaluate these guys and make a decision. What the people on this board think about the prospects should not - and does not - have any bearing on what they will do.
I typically watch the whole draft.
I want a QB no matter what.
But its because I believe there is enough value in several of them, and enough diminishing value in Eli, to use the #2 pick on a QB.
I must have missed the convention where the NFL GMs got together and shared their draft boards with each other and the public.
Who was the consensus #1 pick if you attended?
Rosen best pure passer since Luck.
Secondly, who says the only option is to use the #2 pick for a QB in this year's draft? That #2 pick almost certainly can be turned into the #1 overall pick in the 2019 or 2020 drafts.
QB is the single highest impact position on any football team. By a long shot. The Giants were actually quite fortunate to replace Simms with Manning as quickly as they did. Odds are it will take much longer to replace Manning. Using the asset value of this #2 pick to get his replacement in one of the next three drafts would seem to be a no-brainer to me.
If you're determined to come out of the first two rounds with OG and RB, why not go with Barkley and Smith and get the best player at each position?
You just created a thread with the underlying theme that there "isn't really any good enough QBs in this draft to select at the top". And now you post that, sure enough, the demand will skyrocket to get to the #2 spot to pick a QB.
make up your mind...
I think the Buffalo move and the Jets move tell you what several teams think of the Qbs in this draft.
Nothing really happened to drop the intrinsic value of the Qbs in this draft, other than people watched Barkley's combine where nobody was defending him...
The Bills and the Jets are who they are and IF we pick a QB it is likely to be Rosen so that lowers the odds of us picking a QB, IMHO. There is no consensus #1 QB because none of them are quite worth a top ten pick. If only Allen had Mayfield's accuracy... If only Mayfield had Allen's height...... If only Darnold had Mayfield's fire... If only Rosen had Darnold's toughness.... If only you could morph them all... That's why some people like this guy or that guy, but no QB is liked by everybody. Some people swear by Mason Rudolph.... Even more swear by Lamar Jackson.........
Count me in the group that wants Barkley or a trade down.
Do you mean guaranteed top 5 QB?
Alot of people would agree that Darnold, Rosen, Allen have the potential to be top 5.
Is Barkley guaranteed to be a top 5 RB?
Is Nelson guaranteed to be a top 5 OG?
Is Chubb guaranteed to be a top 5 DE?
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If you're determined to come out of the first two rounds with OG and RB, why not go with Barkley and Smith and get the best player at each position?
Nelson isn't the best Guard in the draft? Ummm....yeah, right.
The other scenario is taking Barkley at #2 and plugging the guard position at #34 or #66, making a difficult offense to defend with Beckham, Shepherd and Engram.
Trading down to #4 or #5 gets you Fitzpatrick, Nelson or Chubb. Who knows, maybe even Barkley. This gets you extra 2nd rounders. I would love to have Fitzpatrick at #4 with Collins in Bettcher's defense. Getting Nelson fills an OLine hole with a premium and clean safe pick. Getting Chubb leverages against potential subpar play involving Vernon or JPP.
I, personally, don't like the trade down to #12 with Buffalo. this does not get you the blue chipper and you really don't know what you are getting that far down. Yes, you can fill holes, but you increase your chances of missing the picks with lesser talent.
My point is that we should not freak out if a QB is not selected at #2. There are other great opportunities available. I don't believe DG is going to screw this team. He has a good track record.
I am a Josh Rosen Guy and I think the Giants shouldn’t get cute and take him at #2 if Cleveland doesn’t
But I could see a giants trade down taking Rudolph to compete with Eli and Webb
had rosen been clean medically then yes he would be worth the pick and an easy decision but he isnt the 5 week concussion is an almight red flag ontop of the previous extensive shoulder injury too much boom or bust and i wouldnt take him without the flags yes as it stands no thankyou
darnold had interception issues last year and strikes me as a boom or bust pick,great upside but also a huge bust downside as well too risky i also think cleveland takes him first overall anyway
allen didnt play at top level neither did simms when he was drafted so i get the argument but his completion percentage just isnt where you want a number 2 pick to be,there is also talk of his attitude and locker room presence in college this will only be magnified in the NFL especially for a team like the giants he too is a boom or bust pick for different reasons
mayfield i want no part of he is manziel part 2,cocky arrogant lacks the physical stats you look for,wont fit the giants system a team like seattle or one or two others could possibly make him work but in the pressure of the new york media he wouldnt fare well
my first choice is barkley but i would be happy with chubb,fitzpatrick,nelson or edwards if they can move back a few spots and get one of these guys plus extra picks and say take guice or one of the other good running back with extra pick(s) from a move back that is also a viable option too especially if they net a high first round pick in next years draft that they can use at QB once the new staff has properly evaluated webb should they decide he isnt the successor to eli
this draft is top heavy so unless you get high picks better to move them to next year this is why DG was happy to pull the trigger on ogletree by round 4 the value isnt there and they needed that QB of the defence badly he will make a huge difference and im eager to see how the new DC works out too
Yes he was.
The other scenario is taking Barkley at #2 and plugging the guard position at #34 or #66, making a difficult offense to defend with Beckham, Shepherd and Engram.
Trading down to #4 or #5 gets you Fitzpatrick, Nelson or Chubb. Who knows, maybe even Barkley. This gets you extra 2nd rounders. I would love to have Fitzpatrick at #4 with Collins in Bettcher's defense. Getting Nelson fills an OLine hole with a premium and clean safe pick. Getting Chubb leverages against potential subpar play involving Vernon or JPP.
I, personally, don't like the trade down to #12 with Buffalo. this does not get you the blue chipper and you really don't know what you are getting that far down. Yes, you can fill holes, but you increase your chances of missing the picks with lesser talent.
My point is that we should not freak out if a QB is not selected at #2. There are other great opportunities available. I don't believe DG is going to screw this team. He has a good track record.
That's all fair, and a good post. That said, I don't know why anyone would take DG at his word - there's absolutely no value in him being honest and forthright at this point leading up to the draft. It may turn out that he was being completely honest all along, but considering the fact that every beat reporter has been consistently wrong on the Giants news all offseason tells me that anyone who puts any stock into what DG says right now is just trying to justify their own opinion or desire for how things will play out.
This seems to be as true of Dottino as it is of BBI posters, IMO.
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If DG sticks to his word that Eli has year's in him, then you need to go out and get better football players to make a run and not take the QB. That QB could be sitting holding a clipboard for at least 2 years if you select him. That pretty is tough for a #2 pick. If DG is blowing smoke, it's a QB, case closed.
The other scenario is taking Barkley at #2 and plugging the guard position at #34 or #66, making a difficult offense to defend with Beckham, Shepherd and Engram.
Trading down to #4 or #5 gets you Fitzpatrick, Nelson or Chubb. Who knows, maybe even Barkley. This gets you extra 2nd rounders. I would love to have Fitzpatrick at #4 with Collins in Bettcher's defense. Getting Nelson fills an OLine hole with a premium and clean safe pick. Getting Chubb leverages against potential subpar play involving Vernon or JPP.
I, personally, don't like the trade down to #12 with Buffalo. this does not get you the blue chipper and you really don't know what you are getting that far down. Yes, you can fill holes, but you increase your chances of missing the picks with lesser talent.
My point is that we should not freak out if a QB is not selected at #2. There are other great opportunities available. I don't believe DG is going to screw this team. He has a good track record.
That's all fair, and a good post. That said, I don't know why anyone would take DG at his word - there's absolutely no value in him being honest and forthright at this point leading up to the draft. It may turn out that he was being completely honest all along, but considering the fact that every beat reporter has been consistently wrong on the Giants news all offseason tells me that anyone who puts any stock into what DG says right now is just trying to justify their own opinion or desire for how things will play out.
This seems to be as true of Dottino as it is of BBI posters, IMO.
Thanks Gatorade. Like I said, if DG is blowing smoke, it’s a QB. Case closed. Either way, the Giants are in an envious position. We all should be excited.
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The fact there are 5 guys being discussed doesn't say anything about any one of them.
Yes he was.
No he wasn't. There was a lot of talk about Leaf at #1. Was Manning the favorite, to be #1? Yes, but he was not consensus.
No he’s not Jimmy but I have a gut feeling somebody’s going to take him in the late first round
Peyton would be the consensus #1 in this draft without question.
if a GM picks a player at #2 overall that GM thinks the player will be special, define it how you want (future HOFer, future all-pro, top 5, long career, whatever), and GM's miss because it's not simple to predict or project how human beings will do at the next level.
but I seriously doubt any GM goes in with "just ok" expectations.
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That is the same Jets who have invested several top draft choices to try and find that elusive franchise QB. There is always someone willing to gamble on the QB's, its not always wise to do so. I don't know how good this draft class of QB's may be. If I thought I did I would tell you what QB to take and when to take him.
I think the Buffalo move and the Jets move tell you what several teams think of the Qbs in this draft.
Nothing really happened to drop the intrinsic value of the Qbs in this draft, other than people watched Barkley's combine where nobody was defending him...
Or those two teams moves could tell us how desperate they are to get a QB. I'd doesn't mean their evaluations of them are right.
Sure they could be right but isn't the Jets GM the same guy who drafted Hackenburg? Big swing and a miss on that evaluation.
I wouldn't say just because these two teams traded up, it's because their thoughts on these QBs are correct. It just shows how important a QB is to them and their willingness to go after one of them.
Then we should trade the #2 pick and do the opposite of the moves of those teams...
Ah, no. He is a reach that will do well for Andy Reid because everyone does well with Andy Reid.
When one of these QBs turn out to be good, which based on sheer numbers, one is likely to be, this crowd will pounce on it as evidence we should have picked a QB. IMO, this crowd doesn't get to shout QB. They should shout "Rosen", or "Darnold", or "Allen", etc, but not all of them rolled into one.
When one of these QBs turn out to be good, which based on sheer numbers, one is likely to be, this crowd will pounce on it as evidence we should have picked a QB. IMO, this crowd doesn't get to shout QB. They should shout "Rosen", or "Darnold", or "Allen", etc, but not all of them rolled into one.
Ok Nostradamus. You are predicting that everyone is hedging their pick so they can say "I told you so"....People are hedging their pick because nobody knows just how the new regime is ranking the QBs. You can make valid arguments for Rosen (most polished and NFL ready), Darnold (highest ceiling?), Allen (strongest arm and strongest QB) or even Mayfield (most accurate, extremely mobile, makes all the reads).
How else can you predict a pick when 4 or 5 guys are worthy and 3 or 4(if Mayfield is included) are QBs. You can easily argue Rosen, Darnold or Allen for top QB along with Barkley being the actual best player or Nelson as a virtual lock as starting guard.
For me, I'm coming around to Barkley, but still wouldn't mind if Rosen is picked.