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Questions for those who want a QB at two, no matter what!

wgenesis123 : 3/17/2018 9:37 am
Do you think its good value to get an OK QB at two? If the Giants select a QB at two and I would really love to get that QB who is the future at two, I want a top five QB. Is there a top five QB in this draft and if so how come you guys can't agree on who it is? Do you have one QB in mind and if he is selected by Cleveland at one your off the QB carousel or do you just want any QB that DG selects? Is it to much to want a top five QB at pick two in this draft? Do you watch the whole draft or just the first pick? I know you guys cherry pick what you answer but please answer the first and last questions.
They absolutely will take Rosen if he is there  
Vanzetti : 3/17/2018 9:47 am : link
Not sure about the other QBs
how do you know that?  
Section131 : 3/17/2018 9:51 am : link
2 concussions and a shoulder injury. Red flags galore. You can't assume anything.
I'm not in love with any of the 4. Take Barkley.
The fact that none of the QBs are consensus #1 overall pick  
widmerseyebrow : 3/17/2018 9:53 am : link
When a QB needy team is picking first tells me this is a very underwhelming class.
I’m not aware of anybody who wants a QB  
UberAlias : 3/17/2018 9:56 am : link
No matter what. But this is a good class with several worthy options.
Section131, widmer ...  
Trainmaster : 3/17/2018 9:58 am : link
Excellent points.

It all really depends on how our experts view both the current state and the "ceiling" on these QBs.
There aren't many posters who want a QB at all costs  
Mike from Ohio : 3/17/2018 9:58 am : link
Most want a QB because they believe there is a franchise QB available in this draft. I don't think you will find many who would advocate drafting a QB if they could look into the future and know they would be mediocre.

And as far as why this board can't agree on which is the best? This is a bunch of amateurs expressing opinions, not NFL scouts. Do you remember 1998 when the top two choices were Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf? There was no consensus among the experts about which was the better prospect. That should not preclude selecting a QB with the top pick. DG and his staff are paid to evaluate these guys and make a decision. What the people on this board think about the prospects should not - and does not - have any bearing on what they will do.
An ok QB? No  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/17/2018 9:59 am : link
Except there are at least 3 potential QB's worthy of a #2. Darnold, Rosen, Allen. I continue to say I like Darnold best. He has the demeanor, athleticism and tools to fit the Giants best. Has the Eli factor to deal with the NY press (don't underestimate this), throws well on the run and with our commitment to Eli, would grow sitting for a year or 2. Rosen I like as well but he is not mobile and injury concerns. Allen, strong arm but concerned how the level of talent he played against may not be as good an indicator of his NFL talent. He is also not very accurate. For my money I have Darnold #1a and Rosen 1b. Would be happy with either. Absolutely no way I want a lineman or RB at #2. Potential franchise QB's do not fall in the Giants lap very often, like 15 years at best. I remember all too well the Dave Brown/Kent Graham/Danny Kannel days. Please no!!
RE: The fact that none of the QBs are consensus #1 overall pick  
UberAlias : 3/17/2018 9:59 am : link
In comment 13870624 widmerseyebrow said:
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When a QB needy team is picking first tells me this is a very underwhelming class.
Consensus doesn’t mean anything. Lack of a consensus because there are a few worthy of consideration depending on the style of QB you prefer.
Peyton Manning was not a consensus Number 1 pick  
WillieYoung : 3/17/2018 10:02 am : link
The fact there are 5 guys being discussed doesn't say anything about any one of them.
The Giants have an interesting dilemma  
GeofromNJ : 3/17/2018 10:05 am : link
It may be 15 years before they have this high a draft pick. The last time was 1981 (LT). But there are no absolutely cannot miss QBs on the board. My two favorites are Darnold and Allen (despite his accuracy issues, the kid has tremendous upside and is insanely physically talented). To me, Eli is no worse today that he was 10 years ago. He was never elite. Never had a quick release or a rocket for an arm, or was mobile. Seems to me, he can play at a high level for another year or two, and the jury is out on Webb. In addition, I don't think Barkley is the next Emmitt Smith. He can't run through people or shed tacklers the way Emmitt could. I would not be disappointed if the Giants traded the pick for an additional 1st and 2nd (and it they get more, all the better).
Too much focus in the media about the flaws  
UberAlias : 3/17/2018 10:10 am : link
All the talk about the flaws but the reality is, there’s s lot to love with this group. When it was about the games people saw this but had been reduced to overanalysis. I would be very surprised if there weren’t two big time QBs emerge from this draft.
There is no such thing as a can't miss QB in the draft  
Mike from Ohio : 3/17/2018 10:16 am : link
If your idea is to wait for one of those, you may as well just start running the wildcat full time. Drafting a QB high is always a gamble. Getting the right guy and then giving him the right environment and coaching to develop is what the pros get paid to do.
Who would want an OK QB at 2?  
yatqb : 3/17/2018 10:23 am : link
I think we all hope there's a QB worthy of pick 2 when we select, and we have different opinions on which of them we like.

I typically watch the whole draft.

Peyton Manning is an excellent example of how wrong the experts can  
wgenesis123 : 3/17/2018 10:27 am : link
be. It also provides the upside of getting it right (Manning) and the downside of getting it wrong (Leaf). DG whether right or wrong will hitch his wagon to the choice he makes. Passing on Manning may not seem as bad as taking Leaf. If he chooses to pass he has Eli, Webb, whoever else he may bring in and next year plus whatever benefit he gets from the choice he makes whether its Barkley or trading down or someone else. He truely needs a QB that gives him confidence in rolling the dice.
We only have 5 picks  
youngd74 : 3/17/2018 10:27 am : link
Eli has at least two if not three years in him. this is not the season to take a QB that will not play this season. Barkley, Nelson, or trade back for more picks. that should be the route.
I am surprised and glad to hear there is no one who wants a QB  
wgenesis123 : 3/17/2018 10:34 am : link
no matter what!
RE: I am surprised and glad to hear there is no one who wants a QB  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13870666 wgenesis123 said:
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no matter what!


I want a QB no matter what.

But its because I believe there is enough value in several of them, and enough diminishing value in Eli, to use the #2 pick on a QB.
RE: The fact that none of the QBs are consensus #1 overall pick  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13870624 widmerseyebrow said:
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When a QB needy team is picking first tells me this is a very underwhelming class.


I must have missed the convention where the NFL GMs got together and shared their draft boards with each other and the public.

Who was the consensus #1 pick if you attended?
Nelson in the 1st....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/17/2018 10:49 am : link
....Sony in the 2nd
The Qbs in this draft are better than mediocre  
Jarvis : 3/17/2018 10:52 am : link
The fact that no one is sure who is the best doesn't make them mediocre. Additionally, positional value has to be taken into consideration. There is reason that actual "mediocre" QBs are signing for the highest contracts in free agency. If teams didn't consider positional value then the Guards or RBs would be signing for as much as the QBs.
The fact that many  
superspynyg : 3/17/2018 10:55 am : link
have said that this is the best qb class in a while. Better than Goff and Wentz, way better than last years qb class.

Rosen best pure passer since Luck.
Jimmy Googs  
wgenesis123 : 3/17/2018 10:57 am : link
If Cleveland selects Barkley at one, it may come down to that. If Cleveland grabs a QB at one the desire to trade up for a QB will kick into overdrive as the panic of losing out on a QB sets in for teams picking behind the Giants. BBI will go crazy as the Giants weigh their options with everything on the table.
First of all, it's really silly to suggest that the quality of QBs in  
baadbill : 3/17/2018 10:59 am : link
this draft is determined by fans on a website. Obviously the only evaluations that matter are those for which the Giants actually pay US dollars to obtain.

Secondly, who says the only option is to use the #2 pick for a QB in this year's draft? That #2 pick almost certainly can be turned into the #1 overall pick in the 2019 or 2020 drafts.

QB is the single highest impact position on any football team. By a long shot. The Giants were actually quite fortunate to replace Simms with Manning as quickly as they did. Odds are it will take much longer to replace Manning. Using the asset value of this #2 pick to get his replacement in one of the next three drafts would seem to be a no-brainer to me.
RE: Nelson in the 1st....  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2018 11:00 am : link
In comment 13870682 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....Sony in the 2nd

If you're determined to come out of the first two rounds with OG and RB, why not go with Barkley and Smith and get the best player at each position?
What does  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/17/2018 11:01 am : link
watching the draft have to do with anything? NFL scouts don't hang around for the Senior Bowl. I used to watch the entire draft and tape it to watch again. Not anymore. But that has nothing to do with anything. Like many here, I get excited about the possibilities, particularly of the first three picks. I do my amateurish study of whatever film I can find, and I come to my amateurish considerations. Just like you. There are QBs here worth taking a chance on. We should take the chance.
umm, to answer your questions in order...  
DonQuixote : 3/17/2018 11:02 am : link
No (an only OK QB is not acceptable). Yes (there are multiple top 5 QBs it is a deep year at that position and people don't agree who they like most). Yes (I have a QB in mind), and Yes (it is OK if Cleveland picks him and the Giants go to another) No, it is not too much to want a top 5 QB. I generally watch only the first round or so and follow the rest on the web.
RE: Jimmy Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 11:09 am : link
In comment 13870703 wgenesis123 said:
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If Cleveland selects Barkley at one, it may come down to that. If Cleveland grabs a QB at one the desire to trade up for a QB will kick into overdrive as the panic of losing out on a QB sets in for teams picking behind the Giants. BBI will go crazy as the Giants weigh their options with everything on the table.


You just created a thread with the underlying theme that there "isn't really any good enough QBs in this draft to select at the top". And now you post that, sure enough, the demand will skyrocket to get to the #2 spot to pick a QB.

make up your mind...
Both Darnold and Rosen are top 5 QBs  
BillT : 3/17/2018 11:16 am : link
Why does that seem to be a mystery to some?
I would not want a QB no matter what, but if the Giants are hell-bent  
carpoon : 3/17/2018 11:17 am : link
to take a QB, I hope it is Allen because Southern California players never do well in the northeast weather.
Well the Jets just drove up the value of the QB's with a trade to 3.  
wgenesis123 : 3/17/2018 11:32 am : link
That is the same Jets who have invested several top draft choices to try and find that elusive franchise QB. There is always someone willing to gamble on the QB's, its not always wise to do so. I don't know how good this draft class of QB's may be. If I thought I did I would tell you what QB to take and when to take him.
I solicit opinions on BBI for the fun in it. I certainly do not view  
wgenesis123 : 3/17/2018 11:35 am : link
those opinions as a matter of fact.
RE: Well the Jets just drove up the value of the QB's with a trade to 3.  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 13870803 wgenesis123 said:
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That is the same Jets who have invested several top draft choices to try and find that elusive franchise QB. There is always someone willing to gamble on the QB's, its not always wise to do so. I don't know how good this draft class of QB's may be. If I thought I did I would tell you what QB to take and when to take him.


I think the Buffalo move and the Jets move tell you what several teams think of the Qbs in this draft.

Nothing really happened to drop the intrinsic value of the Qbs in this draft, other than people watched Barkley's combine where nobody was defending him...
Buffalo & the Jest??  
GeorgeAdams33 : 3/17/2018 12:34 pm : link
Rosen at #2 for sure??

The Bills and the Jets are who they are and IF we pick a QB it is likely to be Rosen so that lowers the odds of us picking a QB, IMHO. There is no consensus #1 QB because none of them are quite worth a top ten pick. If only Allen had Mayfield's accuracy... If only Mayfield had Allen's height...... If only Darnold had Mayfield's fire... If only Rosen had Darnold's toughness.... If only you could morph them all... That's why some people like this guy or that guy, but no QB is liked by everybody. Some people swear by Mason Rudolph.... Even more swear by Lamar Jackson.........

Count me in the group that wants Barkley or a trade down.
Dont you want a top 5 player at any position drafted?  
twostepgiants : 3/17/2018 12:55 pm : link
Why is this designation required only at QB?

Do you mean guaranteed top 5 QB?

Alot of people would agree that Darnold, Rosen, Allen have the potential to be top 5.

Is Barkley guaranteed to be a top 5 RB?

Is Nelson guaranteed to be a top 5 OG?

Is Chubb guaranteed to be a top 5 DE?
Rosen..  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/17/2018 1:09 pm : link
at 2.. and Sony Michel in the 2nd is my ideal draft.
Saquon Barkley  
jacob12 : 3/17/2018 1:24 pm : link
Barkley is much faster and far more elusive than Emmitt Smith.He could be a 230 lb Barry Sanders.
RE: RE: Nelson in the 1st....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/17/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13870711 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13870682 Emlen'sGremlins said:


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....Sony in the 2nd


If you're determined to come out of the first two rounds with OG and RB, why not go with Barkley and Smith and get the best player at each position?


Nelson isn't the best Guard in the draft? Ummm....yeah, right.
Braden Smith  
GeorgeAdams33 : 3/17/2018 1:35 pm : link
out of Auburn is the best OG according to our friend Sy
I do somewhat by into Dottino's logic  
DonnieD89 : 3/17/2018 1:48 pm : link
If DG sticks to his word that Eli has year's in him, then you need to go out and get better football players to make a run and not take the QB. That QB could be sitting holding a clipboard for at least 2 years if you select him. That pretty is tough for a #2 pick. If DG is blowing smoke, it's a QB, case closed.

The other scenario is taking Barkley at #2 and plugging the guard position at #34 or #66, making a difficult offense to defend with Beckham, Shepherd and Engram.

Trading down to #4 or #5 gets you Fitzpatrick, Nelson or Chubb. Who knows, maybe even Barkley. This gets you extra 2nd rounders. I would love to have Fitzpatrick at #4 with Collins in Bettcher's defense. Getting Nelson fills an OLine hole with a premium and clean safe pick. Getting Chubb leverages against potential subpar play involving Vernon or JPP.

I, personally, don't like the trade down to #12 with Buffalo. this does not get you the blue chipper and you really don't know what you are getting that far down. Yes, you can fill holes, but you increase your chances of missing the picks with lesser talent.

My point is that we should not freak out if a QB is not selected at #2. There are other great opportunities available. I don't believe DG is going to screw this team. He has a good track record.
To those that don't want a QB at #2  
Chris L. : 3/17/2018 1:59 pm : link
you do realize there will be 4 QBs picked in the first 6 picks. Look at the draft over the last 40 years and ask yourself how many times that has happened. The answer is zero. You don't think these QB prospects are good???? They are VERY, VERY good prospects. When you don't have your future franchise QB you pick one of these guys...end of discussion. Its why there are a number of teams moving mountains to try to move up.
And One guy nobody is talking about  
NikkiMac : 3/17/2018 2:13 pm : link
But had a great pro day and who will be there at #12 if the giants trade with the Bills is Mason Rudolph.......

I am a Josh Rosen Guy and I think the Giants shouldn’t get cute and take him at #2 if Cleveland doesn’t

But I could see a giants trade down taking Rudolph to compete with Eli and Webb
Is Rudolph getting enough buzz  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 2:26 pm : link
to be a 1st round pick by the beats?

thats because  
msh : 3/17/2018 2:30 pm : link
there is alot of teams that desperately need a QB buffalo,jets,browns,broncos,cardinals and probably 1 or two more i forgot there. the giants have eli and webb so they arent that desperate for a QB i think the lesson in dallas shows that with a good OL and running game an ok guy like prescott can win and the giants have rebuilt the OL and are in a position to take a better RB in barkley and they should do it,look for another QB they can develop as a backup plan incase webb is more nassib than eli they have a couple more years to find that guy it doesnt have to be first round this year

had rosen been clean medically then yes he would be worth the pick and an easy decision but he isnt the 5 week concussion is an almight red flag ontop of the previous extensive shoulder injury too much boom or bust and i wouldnt take him without the flags yes as it stands no thankyou

darnold had interception issues last year and strikes me as a boom or bust pick,great upside but also a huge bust downside as well too risky i also think cleveland takes him first overall anyway

allen didnt play at top level neither did simms when he was drafted so i get the argument but his completion percentage just isnt where you want a number 2 pick to be,there is also talk of his attitude and locker room presence in college this will only be magnified in the NFL especially for a team like the giants he too is a boom or bust pick for different reasons

mayfield i want no part of he is manziel part 2,cocky arrogant lacks the physical stats you look for,wont fit the giants system a team like seattle or one or two others could possibly make him work but in the pressure of the new york media he wouldnt fare well

my first choice is barkley but i would be happy with chubb,fitzpatrick,nelson or edwards if they can move back a few spots and get one of these guys plus extra picks and say take guice or one of the other good running back with extra pick(s) from a move back that is also a viable option too especially if they net a high first round pick in next years draft that they can use at QB once the new staff has properly evaluated webb should they decide he isnt the successor to eli

this draft is top heavy so unless you get high picks better to move them to next year this is why DG was happy to pull the trigger on ogletree by round 4 the value isnt there and they needed that QB of the defence badly he will make a huge difference and im eager to see how the new DC works out too
RE: Peyton Manning was not a consensus Number 1 pick  
djm : 3/17/2018 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13870641 WillieYoung said:
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The fact there are 5 guys being discussed doesn't say anything about any one of them.


Yes he was.
RE: I do somewhat by into Dottino's logic  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13871194 DonnieD89 said:
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If DG sticks to his word that Eli has year's in him, then you need to go out and get better football players to make a run and not take the QB. That QB could be sitting holding a clipboard for at least 2 years if you select him. That pretty is tough for a #2 pick. If DG is blowing smoke, it's a QB, case closed.

The other scenario is taking Barkley at #2 and plugging the guard position at #34 or #66, making a difficult offense to defend with Beckham, Shepherd and Engram.

Trading down to #4 or #5 gets you Fitzpatrick, Nelson or Chubb. Who knows, maybe even Barkley. This gets you extra 2nd rounders. I would love to have Fitzpatrick at #4 with Collins in Bettcher's defense. Getting Nelson fills an OLine hole with a premium and clean safe pick. Getting Chubb leverages against potential subpar play involving Vernon or JPP.

I, personally, don't like the trade down to #12 with Buffalo. this does not get you the blue chipper and you really don't know what you are getting that far down. Yes, you can fill holes, but you increase your chances of missing the picks with lesser talent.

My point is that we should not freak out if a QB is not selected at #2. There are other great opportunities available. I don't believe DG is going to screw this team. He has a good track record.

That's all fair, and a good post. That said, I don't know why anyone would take DG at his word - there's absolutely no value in him being honest and forthright at this point leading up to the draft. It may turn out that he was being completely honest all along, but considering the fact that every beat reporter has been consistently wrong on the Giants news all offseason tells me that anyone who puts any stock into what DG says right now is just trying to justify their own opinion or desire for how things will play out.

This seems to be as true of Dottino as it is of BBI posters, IMO.
It’s painful for me to say  
Bill L : 3/17/2018 4:35 pm : link
But jimmy googs might be the most honest person on this thread.

um...  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 5:32 pm : link
thanks?
RE: RE: I do somewhat by into Dottino's logic  
DonnieD89 : 3/17/2018 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13871555 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13871194 DonnieD89 said:


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If DG sticks to his word that Eli has year's in him, then you need to go out and get better football players to make a run and not take the QB. That QB could be sitting holding a clipboard for at least 2 years if you select him. That pretty is tough for a #2 pick. If DG is blowing smoke, it's a QB, case closed.

The other scenario is taking Barkley at #2 and plugging the guard position at #34 or #66, making a difficult offense to defend with Beckham, Shepherd and Engram.

Trading down to #4 or #5 gets you Fitzpatrick, Nelson or Chubb. Who knows, maybe even Barkley. This gets you extra 2nd rounders. I would love to have Fitzpatrick at #4 with Collins in Bettcher's defense. Getting Nelson fills an OLine hole with a premium and clean safe pick. Getting Chubb leverages against potential subpar play involving Vernon or JPP.

I, personally, don't like the trade down to #12 with Buffalo. this does not get you the blue chipper and you really don't know what you are getting that far down. Yes, you can fill holes, but you increase your chances of missing the picks with lesser talent.

My point is that we should not freak out if a QB is not selected at #2. There are other great opportunities available. I don't believe DG is going to screw this team. He has a good track record.


That's all fair, and a good post. That said, I don't know why anyone would take DG at his word - there's absolutely no value in him being honest and forthright at this point leading up to the draft. It may turn out that he was being completely honest all along, but considering the fact that every beat reporter has been consistently wrong on the Giants news all offseason tells me that anyone who puts any stock into what DG says right now is just trying to justify their own opinion or desire for how things will play out.

This seems to be as true of Dottino as it is of BBI posters, IMO.


Thanks Gatorade. Like I said, if DG is blowing smoke, it’s a QB. Case closed. Either way, the Giants are in an envious position. We all should be excited.
RE: RE: Peyton Manning was not a consensus Number 1 pick  
section125 : 3/17/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 13871374 djm said:
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In comment 13870641 WillieYoung said:


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The fact there are 5 guys being discussed doesn't say anything about any one of them.



Yes he was.


No he wasn't. There was a lot of talk about Leaf at #1. Was Manning the favorite, to be #1? Yes, but he was not consensus.
RE: Is Rudolph getting enough buzz  
NikkiMac : 3/17/2018 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13871307 Jimmy Googs said:
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to be a 1st round pick by the beats?


No he’s not Jimmy but I have a gut feeling somebody’s going to take him in the late first round
RE: Peyton Manning was not a consensus Number 1 pick  
FStubbs : 3/17/2018 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13870641 WillieYoung said:
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The fact there are 5 guys being discussed doesn't say anything about any one of them.


Peyton would be the consensus #1 in this draft without question.
Probably so would Mahomes  
Bill L : 3/17/2018 8:34 pm : link
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Name  
pjcas18 : 3/17/2018 8:40 pm : link
me one GM who drafted any player, regardless of position, and hoped or even just thought the player would be "just Ok".

if a GM picks a player at #2 overall that GM thinks the player will be special, define it how you want (future HOFer, future all-pro, top 5, long career, whatever), and GM's miss because it's not simple to predict or project how human beings will do at the next level.

but I seriously doubt any GM goes in with "just ok" expectations.
RE: RE: Well the Jets just drove up the value of the QB's with a trade to 3.  
Eman11 : 3/17/2018 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13870857 Jimmy Googs said:
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That is the same Jets who have invested several top draft choices to try and find that elusive franchise QB. There is always someone willing to gamble on the QB's, its not always wise to do so. I don't know how good this draft class of QB's may be. If I thought I did I would tell you what QB to take and when to take him.



I think the Buffalo move and the Jets move tell you what several teams think of the Qbs in this draft.

Nothing really happened to drop the intrinsic value of the Qbs in this draft, other than people watched Barkley's combine where nobody was defending him...


Or those two teams moves could tell us how desperate they are to get a QB. I'd doesn't mean their evaluations of them are right.

Sure they could be right but isn't the Jets GM the same guy who drafted Hackenburg? Big swing and a miss on that evaluation.

I wouldn't say just because these two teams traded up, it's because their thoughts on these QBs are correct. It just shows how important a QB is to them and their willingness to go after one of them.

Umm, ok.  
Jimmy Googs : 3/18/2018 9:33 am : link
They are desperate, they did no due diligence on the QBs, and even of they did they are moron franchises that never make good decisions.

Then we should trade the #2 pick and do the opposite of the moves of those teams...
RE: Probably so would Mahomes  
section125 : 3/18/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 13871959 Bill L said:
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Ah, no. He is a reach that will do well for Andy Reid because everyone does well with Andy Reid.
there are plenty of folk  
fkap : 3/18/2018 10:18 am : link
who insist we HAVE to take a QB, because we (hopefully) will never draft this high again, or because there are several very good prospects. When pressed, they always put in that empty caveat of "if the Giants think one is worthy", which protects them from being technically in the QB no matter what category, and then go right back to shouting QB,QB,QB.

When one of these QBs turn out to be good, which based on sheer numbers, one is likely to be, this crowd will pounce on it as evidence we should have picked a QB. IMO, this crowd doesn't get to shout QB. They should shout "Rosen", or "Darnold", or "Allen", etc, but not all of them rolled into one.
RE: there are plenty of folk  
section125 : 3/18/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13872391 fkap said:
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who insist we HAVE to take a QB, because we (hopefully) will never draft this high again, or because there are several very good prospects. When pressed, they always put in that empty caveat of "if the Giants think one is worthy", which protects them from being technically in the QB no matter what category, and then go right back to shouting QB,QB,QB.

When one of these QBs turn out to be good, which based on sheer numbers, one is likely to be, this crowd will pounce on it as evidence we should have picked a QB. IMO, this crowd doesn't get to shout QB. They should shout "Rosen", or "Darnold", or "Allen", etc, but not all of them rolled into one.


Ok Nostradamus. You are predicting that everyone is hedging their pick so they can say "I told you so"....People are hedging their pick because nobody knows just how the new regime is ranking the QBs. You can make valid arguments for Rosen (most polished and NFL ready), Darnold (highest ceiling?), Allen (strongest arm and strongest QB) or even Mayfield (most accurate, extremely mobile, makes all the reads).

How else can you predict a pick when 4 or 5 guys are worthy and 3 or 4(if Mayfield is included) are QBs. You can easily argue Rosen, Darnold or Allen for top QB along with Barkley being the actual best player or Nelson as a virtual lock as starting guard.

For me, I'm coming around to Barkley, but still wouldn't mind if Rosen is picked.
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