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Amazing that teams have spent $90 million on our OLs already

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/17/2018 9:45 am
And once Fluker probably signs somewhere else, it will be over $100 million on players who many Giants fans wanted gone.

I'm not sure what the moral of this story is... but it is astounding.
yeah, somebody's  
Bill in UT : 3/17/2018 9:51 am : link
got it wrong. We'll see who next season.
Probably  
King Quis : 3/17/2018 9:51 am : link
That scheme had as much to do with our woes as the perception of how bad Jerry did with the O-Line.

I just can’t help but to remember how well we ran the ball when Mcadoo wasn’t calling plays.

Maybe it’s simply another mans trash is another mans treasure.
another way to look at it is they had the worst right side in football  
Eric on Li : 3/17/2018 9:53 am : link
for the past 3+ years and Hart and Newhouse look to be basically getting ready for life after football. Fluker isn't going to get a ton of money and Jerry may yet be cut.

Richburg and Pugh are getting paid for potential and youth more than production. In another scheme, around better OL, maybe they reach it. Here it was too big of a risk to take.
O-Line play around the league is abysmal  
Bockman : 3/17/2018 9:57 am : link
It's not just our team (although ours was bottom of the barrel).

Thus, any capable lineman that doesn't outright suck is getting paid this year.
It shows that some teams may value experience compared  
figgy2989 : 3/17/2018 10:00 am : link
To investing high draft picks in unknowns. That is the only way to explain it. No one on their right mind would have given Richburg or Pugh that amount of money based on what you see on Sundays.
Pugh rubbed me the wrong way a few times  
robbieballs2003 : 3/17/2018 10:05 am : link
with his comments about how good they will be when they sucked as a group. But, to be fair, he can pretty much play any position along the OL even center. There were some who thought he could be a center when coming out of the draft. When he was healthy he did play well.

It sounds like the Cardinals are banking on him being healthy which is a huge risk since he basically has never been healthy. I think Pugh can be a good piece on a great OL but I don't think he will ever be the top guy on a good OL.

Richburg? I like that he played through injuries and rarely missed time until this year but he has had one really good year out of 4.
Injuries scheme poor blocking from TE and Backs  
UberAlias : 3/17/2018 10:05 am : link
Have all contributed. And Fluker was overlooked by pigheaded McAdoo. The issues in blocking was not all due to lack of talent on OLine.
This has been an organizational failure..  
Sean : 3/17/2018 10:13 am : link
It’s easy to pin everything on Reese, but coaching has definitely contributed as well.
Albert Breer discussed this on WFAN this week  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/17/2018 10:16 am : link
What he said was that you used to be able to use a high first-round pick on an offensive lineman and be confident in the return (Boselli/Ogden/Pace, etc.). Now that is no longer the case due to the proliferation of spread offense in the college game.

So now, teams are overpaying for veteran OL so they don't have to waste resources on project offensive linemen. Pugh in particular was valuable because he can play multiple positions, so he got his.
If Pugh stays healthy it's a good deal  
njm : 3/17/2018 10:17 am : link
If the injury problems persist he's way overpaid. That's the gamble they took.
It's all in how they are viewed  
GFAN52 : 3/17/2018 10:20 am : link
Mcadoo took an offense with average to above average potential  
djm : 3/17/2018 10:31 am : link
And ruined it.

Injuries took it to a bad place but mcadoo was the driving force. When the offense was healthy in 2016 it sucked when it was healthy in 2017 it sucked. It was scoring more points down the stretch of 2017 with the likes of darkwa and Engram and Lewis.
It most certainly is something that Flowers should pay attention  
wgenesis123 : 3/17/2018 10:44 am : link
too! Get it right for one season and the payoff could be huge.
Scheme has nothing to do with  
RottenApple : 3/17/2018 10:48 am : link
guys being driven 5 yards into the backfield. They were failed picks and part of the problem. They will not be missed.
2018....the year of the....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/17/2018 11:04 am : link
....China Doll.
We had a very bad line for a number of years,  
Ira : 3/17/2018 11:11 am : link
but a number of other teams have had the same problem. The result is that many teams are looking hard for offensive linemen and are willing to overpay. That's why I feel that the five or ten best ol in the draft will go earlier than most of us expect. I think there will be a run on ol in the middle and end of the first round.
RE: another way to look at it is they had the worst right side in football  
FranknWeezer : 3/17/2018 11:39 am : link
In comment 13870625 Eric on Li said:
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for the past 3+ years and Hart and Newhouse look to be basically getting ready for life after football. Fluker isn't going to get a ton of money and Jerry may yet be cut.

Richburg and Pugh are getting paid for potential and youth more than production. In another scheme, around better OL, maybe they reach it. Here it was too big of a risk to take.


Forgot about Hart. Include him in the signings too. Bengals signed him.
The grass is greener syndrome  
GiantTuff1 : 3/17/2018 12:00 pm : link
except for GM's and other teams who think another trash looks like treasure.

It's insane to me that mediocrity nets $40+ million.

I don't think the fans can support the ludicrous upward spending of the NFL for much longer. It's already having negative impacts.
Yeah. I am so glad nobody in the Giants Front Office or BBI  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 12:06 pm : link
suffers from the "grass is only greener" syndrome...
The D linemen on the Rams and Seahawks  
RobCarpenter : 3/17/2018 12:08 pm : link
Must be happy now that they get to face Pugh and Richburg twice a year.

The day will come very soon when no one starting on the OL was drafted or signed by Reese. At most it will be 2 OL this year (assuming the Giants go OG in the second round
It's a correction on OL prices  
AcesUp : 3/17/2018 12:21 pm : link
Because of the proliferation of the spread, they're coming in greener and because of the new CBA, teams have less time to coach them up. It's a bad combination for OL play. There's less quality OL than every before, simple supply and demand takes over from there. I think we're just starting to see it, I would not be shocked to see OL getting 20m/yr before Solder's deal is up.
Pugh and Richburg  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/17/2018 1:05 pm : link
Aren’t terrible players. The problem were always the Tackles. Hart especially.
"One Man's Trash is another Man's Treasure"  
GMen23 : 3/17/2018 1:23 pm : link
They Can have them. I'd like Pugh if he could stay on the field.
However, I'm glad we're not gambling that his history will change.
I think the morale of the story is  
Glover : 3/17/2018 1:24 pm : link
what seems like overpaying for O linemen is the market adjusting right before your eyes. Last year everyone said Whitworth was not worth what he got paid, nor was Okung, or Reiff, and many here did not want to pay what the Giants paid Solder, but that's what it takes to bring in experienced, quality O linemen, even ones with perhaps only a few years left in their careers.
Leveon Bell making 14 mill, and the next highest paid RB is 8 mill. RBs are pretty important, yet they are valued as disposable commodities. It's messed up, but that's how it is.
RE: Scheme has nothing to do with  
djm : 3/17/2018 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13870678 RottenApple said:
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guys being driven 5 yards into the backfield. They were failed picks and part of the problem. They will not be missed.


Bullshit. How many times did you see a wr, TE or rb wide open on a pass pattern over the last two seasons? Really think that one over. How many times did a running play work out with relative ease? Again think it over.

The offense resembled one that was orchestrated by a corpse. Not once did a play fool the opposition. Not once. That’s coaching.
I’ll say it again  
djm : 3/17/2018 1:31 pm : link
And really let this one sink in.

The 1995 giants scored more points than the 2017 giants. A bygone era with less offense and less scoring still catering to the defenses and a team led by Dave brown, Chris Calloway and Howard cross scored more points.

Yeah it was all on the players. Sure it was.
The Pugh signing I  
St. Jimmy : 3/17/2018 1:39 pm : link
can understand. When healthy he seems be considered the best lineman on the Giants and he is versatile.

The Richburg signing surprised me. The line seemed to get pushed back in the middle whenever he was at center. Maybe it's the guys next to him. I guess we'll see. Eagle fans wanted Kelce gone for years. Now he dresses up and makes an incoherent speech and he is a "Philly Guy."
But they were our two best OL  
BigBlue4You09 : 3/17/2018 2:00 pm : link
Pugh is a top guard in this league when healthy
RE: The Pugh signing I  
AcesUp : 3/17/2018 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13871169 St. Jimmy said:
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can understand. When healthy he seems be considered the best lineman on the Giants and he is versatile.

The Richburg signing surprised me. The line seemed to get pushed back in the middle whenever he was at center. Maybe it's the guys next to him. I guess we'll see. Eagle fans wanted Kelce gone for years. Now he dresses up and makes an incoherent speech and he is a "Philly Guy."


I read that Richburg was seen as the perfect C for a zone blocking scheme. With so many teams using that system, he was in high demand entering free agency.
'Amazing that'...  
Torrag : 3/17/2018 5:26 pm : link
...more stupid than amazing.
They know it wasn’t talent  
Rflairr : 3/18/2018 1:15 am : link
But shitty coaching
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