You either have to have a massive conviction on the QB who will be there at #2 or you now accept the massive trade deal some team is going to give you.
This trade will further motivate the Browns to take a qb -
The #Jets explored all options for this trade... including possibly going up to No. 1. In the end, they settled on No. 3. ... Meanwhile, the #Colts fielded calls from other QB-needy teams, but felt good about moving to No. 6 and dealing with the #Jets.
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That could mean the approach DG but the price was too high OR the Giants are staying put regardless.
open avenue for a team targeting one of the top QB's. Giants can get a massive haul. Barkley has to be first ballot hof good for us to use this pick on him.
Everyone looking to trade out. Wouldn't you want a blue chip player? Wether it's a qb or Barkley? We trade down to 12 then we have no chance at our own blue chip player.
RE: If all it took was two second rounders, surprised buffalo didn't do
Because the Jets' 1st (#6) and both 2018 2nds (#37 and #49) are higher picks than the Bills' picks in the 1st (#12 and #22) and 2nd (#53 and #56), respectively. The Colts may well have a top tier of six players on their board so they feel confident that they'll still get one of the premium talents in the draft, and they're still in position to trade down again if one of the QBs is sitting there at #6.
So I don't think the "all it took" with respect to the Jets would necessarily apply to the Bills.
Then trade back to number 12 so the Bills get their pick.we end up with a kings ransom of picks and away we go. Build for now and for the future. I really see us now trading back not once but twice.
Would the Jets offer their one next year to move up to two?
this puts in an even better position. Someone who wants a QB bad enough will be blowing Gettleman's phone up soon. Denver, Buffalo. Lets do this DG.
That's as far as I'd want to trade back. If three QBs go 1-2-3, that most likely (unless Cleve trades out of 4 which I doubt since they already have a ton of picks) leaves us at 5 with one of Barkley,Chubb,Nelson or Fitzpatrick. Plus whatever picks they get from Denver.
I can live with that if DG doesn't love a QB at 2.
The #Jets explored all options for this trade... including possibly going up to No. 1. In the end, they settled on No. 3. ... Meanwhile, the #Colts fielded calls from other QB-needy teams, but felt good about moving to No. 6 and dealing with the #Jets.
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That could mean the approach DG but the price was too high OR the Giants are staying put regardless.
Or Gettleman knows the price will only go up the longer he waits, including on the clock on draft day.
open avenue for a team targeting one of the top QB's. Giants can get a massive haul. Barkley has to be first ballot hof good for us to use this pick on him.
or we take a QB. Ever think of that?
They are NOT going to take the 2nd best QB on the board...one which most likely either has a ton of concussion issues, can't hit the side of a barn, or is Baker Mayfield.
The only play for the Giants is to draft Barkley or trade down. If they trade down, it had better be a massive deal in order to pass up Barkley. My guess is they don't get that.
Everyone looking to trade out. Wouldn't you want a blue chip player? Wether it's a qb or Barkley? We trade down to 12 then we have no chance at our own blue chip player.
Because if you don't have a conviction on a QB or feel multiple premium picks are more valuable than a RB.
The #Jets explored all options for this trade... including possibly going up to No. 1. In the end, they settled on No. 3. ... Meanwhile, the #Colts fielded calls from other QB-needy teams, but felt good about moving to No. 6 and dealing with the #Jets.
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That could mean the approach DG but the price was too high OR the Giants are staying put regardless.
Or Gettleman knows the price will only go up the longer he waits, including on the clock on draft day.
The Jets can easily move up to #1 to jump us. Cleveland with #3 and #4 can still get their guy and deal further.
I don't think they have nearly enough to trade up again.Just next year's first rounder isn't going to get it done.
This is the Jets. The same team that had to ensure that McCown would be starter just for him to sign a below-market deal. If they have 1 player (Rosen), they can sell next year's draft capital to do what it would take. The Jets should be a lesson for all as to how long a franchise can wallow in QB Hell with mediocre talent. This is no time for them to get cute. If they sense that Rosen won't be there for them, they will do whatever it takes. My assumption is that the Giants won't deliver the Jets franchise QB to them by swapping out picks so that leaves the Browns.
Everyone looking to trade out. Wouldn't you want a blue chip player? Wether it's a qb or Barkley? We trade down to 12 then we have no chance at our own blue chip player.
Because if you don't have a conviction on a QB or feel multiple premium picks are more valuable than a RB.
Look, the Giants need a ton of help.
Eric, the Giants also need a QB just like these teams desperately trying to get in position to draft one.
Everyone looking to trade out. Wouldn't you want a blue chip player? Wether it's a qb or Barkley? We trade down to 12 then we have no chance at our own blue chip player.
Because if you don't have a conviction on a QB or feel multiple premium picks are more valuable than a RB.
Look, the Giants need a ton of help.
Eric, gun to head, what would you do? Do you roll the dice with Eli and Webb? Or do you take a potential future at 2? I just hate to be stuck in the 90s again if Webb doesn't work out.
Everyone looking to trade out. Wouldn't you want a blue chip player? Wether it's a qb or Barkley? We trade down to 12 then we have no chance at our own blue chip player.
Because if you don't have a conviction on a QB or feel multiple premium picks are more valuable than a RB.
Look, the Giants need a ton of help.
Eric, the Giants also need a QB just like these teams desperately trying to get in position to draft one.
Just because you do doesn't mean you take whatever scraps are left to you. Concussion history? No thanks. Accuracy issues? No thanks. Baker? no thanks.
The only play for the Giants is barkley or trade down for a massive haul...and it better be massive.
I think this pretty much confirms the Giants are taking a QB
What a shitty haul for the Colts. If this is the going rate don't trade. Quality is almost always better than quantity. Just stop outsmarting yourself and grab a QB or Barkley. People are obsessed with trades that usually work in the favor of the team trading up. Take the franchise altering player rather than hope to get a bunch of good players. This isn't hard. Take the fucking QB. Don't be the Browns.
open avenue for a team targeting one of the top QB's. Giants can get a massive haul. Barkley has to be first ballot hof good for us to use this pick on him.
or we take a QB. Ever think of that?
Yes, in fact I hope that's what we do. I was making the comment for the Barkley crowd. IMO it makes little sense to take him now since if he turns out to be anything less than an all-time great RB then he's not worth this #2. We need to take a franchise QB or an all-time great at another position to pass up the trade offers we're going to get for this pick.
But right now, I think you either take the QB or trade back. I love Barkley, but if the Giants can get a massive trade deal out of the pick, I think they have to seriously consider taking it.
My thought process has always been this: the Giants will probably not be in this spot again for decades. I don't see the game-changing defender (a Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor) here. Offensively, when you pick this high, it's got to be a QB...someone who will be THE GUY for 10-15 years. If the Giants don't feel confident about the QB who will be there at #2, then don't force it. Trade back.
The whispers out there are the Giants are not going to draft a QB. I'm not sure I buy that. But if that is true, then I think trading down is seriously in play.
RE: I think this pretty much confirms the Giants are taking a QB
If not the Jets would have just moved to 2 and the Giants get a decent haul while most likely still getting Nelson/Barkley.
Schefter also just said it's likely the first 3 picks are going to be QBs.
Maybe DG didn't think that offer was enough for him.
Now, if he waits them out, and isn't high on a QB, maybe he can get their #1 next year, plus ? to go from 2-3. Key is going to be how he feels about a QB, or if the Browns take the one he wants at 1, IMO.
I could also see them trading back with Denver if they aren't high on a QB or he's gone at 1.
Buffalo did it last year with KC, and now they are frantically trying to trade up the next year. Its so overrated.
Yup. When you have a Barkley in your lap it better be an offer you can't refuse type of deal to pass him up. Hall of Fame players don't fall out of trees like this.
RE: I think this pretty much confirms the Giants are taking a QB
If not the Jets would have just moved to 2 and the Giants get a decent haul while most likely still getting Nelson/Barkley.
Schefter also just said it's likely the first 3 picks are going to be QBs.
This! However, there is the thought that even if the Giants might be willing to trade the #2 it wouldn't be to the crosstown rivals. Bad PR move to give the Jests Rosen or Darnold.
What a shitty haul for the Colts. If this is the going rate don't trade. Quality is almost always better than quantity. Just stop outsmarting yourself and grab a QB or Barkley. People are obsessed with trades that usually work in the favor of the team trading up. Take the franchise altering player rather than hope to get a bunch of good players. This isn't hard. Take the fucking QB. Don't be the Browns.
I don't understand why the Colts wouldn't sweat the Jets out and drive up the price.
It makes things much more difficult for the Browns to get cute with their QB at 1. Also speaks to how the Jets view these QBs, they have to see at least 3 franchise worthy guys to make this move now. Great news all around as the Giant pick just became much more valuable.
Another interesting development is that the Jets may actually be a potential trade partner for the Giants. If the Giants actually do love Barkley over the QBs and the Jets have a preference for one, the Bills can be used as leverage to entice the Jets to move up on spot. Just one scenario that benefits the Giants after this move.
I'd wait and then do a deal with the Bills. Their #12, #22, their two 2nd rounders, and something next draft. Thats a massive haul, and could really plug a lot of holes for us. Thats possible 5 new starters in the 1st two rounds. For example McGlinchey (sp?), a top RB, a top CB, a LB, a Guard, etc.
Buffalo will have to pay a ransom to get to 2 ( If Giants want to trade). Colts didnt want to move further back than 6. Knew where drop off was. Its about the quality of the player
really cares. They already leveraged themselves at the RB position with the Carlos Hyde signing. They are going to get either Fitzpatrick, Chubb or Nelson. But Barkley is still their, they can still take him.
lot depends on how the Browns value the QBs. If their grades on Darnold, Rosen, and Allen aren't substantially different, then they may just take Barkley, knowing they'll still get one of he QBs at #4. That's probably what I would do. That would also make the Giants' pick more valuable, since anyone trading with us would get whatever QB they wanted. But even if the Browns take a QB, our pick is still valuable since the Jets will obviously take a QB at #3.
My guess as of right now:
If the Browns take a QB, we stay put at #2, and take Barkley.
If the Browns take Barkley, we trade out for a fortune.
lot depends on how the Browns value the QBs. If their grades on Darnold, Rosen, and Allen aren't substantially different, then they may just take Barkley, knowing they'll still get one of he QBs at #4. That's probably what I would do. That would also make the Giants' pick more valuable, since anyone trading with us would get whatever QB they wanted. But even if the Browns take a QB, our pick is still valuable since the Jets will obviously take a QB at #3.
My guess as of right now:
If the Browns take a QB, we stay put at #2, and take Barkley.
If the Browns take Barkley, we trade out for a fortune.
What a shitty haul for the Colts. If this is the going rate don't trade. Quality is almost always better than quantity. Just stop outsmarting yourself and grab a QB or Barkley. People are obsessed with trades that usually work in the favor of the team trading up. Take the franchise altering player rather than hope to get a bunch of good players. This isn't hard. Take the fucking QB. Don't be the Browns.
I don't understand why the Colts wouldn't sweat the Jets out and drive up the price.
If we believe Dave Te then they really want Nelson or Chubb. And if the Jets wind up trading with us then they lose out on dropping to six where it seems Nelson will still be available.
How does this change anything for the Giants other than a) make their pick more valuable for QB needy teams or b) force CLE to more strongly consider a QB leaving Barkley for the Giants.
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The Jets just backed the Giants into a corner. LOVE IT.
Browns want Saquon at 1?
Giants have to take a QB at 2, and deal with all the Eli drama.
HAHAHAHAHA, Jets baby, well done!
Sam Darnold in play for the Jets?
Maybe I'm off because there was certainly Eli drama last year but I sure hope that DG won't be making the decision based on perceived Eli drama. Like this is someone trying to sound smart about a complete non-factor.
We can pick up a 2, a 5 and their 2019 1.
I don't think they have nearly enough to trade up again.Just next year's first rounder isn't going to get it done.
That return did not even return a future first round pick? Great trade for the Jets.
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That the Giants did not want to trade out of the second pick. Which could mean they do want to go qb or Barkley.
Or that the Giants didnt want to be "that team" that delivered a franchise QB to the Jets lol
Either way, to me this makes it more likely that the Giants stay put at 2, not less likely.
I agree.
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The #Jets explored all options for this trade... including possibly going up to No. 1. In the end, they settled on No. 3. ... Meanwhile, the #Colts fielded calls from other QB-needy teams, but felt good about moving to No. 6 and dealing with the #Jets.
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That could mean the approach DG but the price was too high OR the Giants are staying put regardless.
or we take a QB. Ever think of that?
Because the Jets' 1st (#6) and both 2018 2nds (#37 and #49) are higher picks than the Bills' picks in the 1st (#12 and #22) and 2nd (#53 and #56), respectively. The Colts may well have a top tier of six players on their board so they feel confident that they'll still get one of the premium talents in the draft, and they're still in position to trade down again if one of the QBs is sitting there at #6.
So I don't think the "all it took" with respect to the Jets would necessarily apply to the Bills.
That's as far as I'd want to trade back. If three QBs go 1-2-3, that most likely (unless Cleve trades out of 4 which I doubt since they already have a ton of picks) leaves us at 5 with one of Barkley,Chubb,Nelson or Fitzpatrick. Plus whatever picks they get from Denver.
I can live with that if DG doesn't love a QB at 2.
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The #Jets explored all options for this trade... including possibly going up to No. 1. In the end, they settled on No. 3. ... Meanwhile, the #Colts fielded calls from other QB-needy teams, but felt good about moving to No. 6 and dealing with the #Jets.
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That could mean the approach DG but the price was too high OR the Giants are staying put regardless.
Or Gettleman knows the price will only go up the longer he waits, including on the clock on draft day.
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open avenue for a team targeting one of the top QB's. Giants can get a massive haul. Barkley has to be first ballot hof good for us to use this pick on him.
or we take a QB. Ever think of that?
They are NOT going to take the 2nd best QB on the board...one which most likely either has a ton of concussion issues, can't hit the side of a barn, or is Baker Mayfield.
The only play for the Giants is to draft Barkley or trade down. If they trade down, it had better be a massive deal in order to pass up Barkley. My guess is they don't get that.
Because if you don't have a conviction on a QB or feel multiple premium picks are more valuable than a RB.
Look, the Giants need a ton of help.
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That could mean the approach DG but the price was too high OR the Giants are staying put regardless.
Or Gettleman knows the price will only go up the longer he waits, including on the clock on draft day.
That's possibly as well.
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The Jets can easily move up to #1 to jump us. Cleveland with #3 and #4 can still get their guy and deal further.
I don't think they have nearly enough to trade up again.Just next year's first rounder isn't going to get it done.
This is the Jets. The same team that had to ensure that McCown would be starter just for him to sign a below-market deal. If they have 1 player (Rosen), they can sell next year's draft capital to do what it would take. The Jets should be a lesson for all as to how long a franchise can wallow in QB Hell with mediocre talent. This is no time for them to get cute. If they sense that Rosen won't be there for them, they will do whatever it takes. My assumption is that the Giants won't deliver the Jets franchise QB to them by swapping out picks so that leaves the Browns.
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Everyone looking to trade out. Wouldn't you want a blue chip player? Wether it's a qb or Barkley? We trade down to 12 then we have no chance at our own blue chip player.
Because if you don't have a conviction on a QB or feel multiple premium picks are more valuable than a RB.
Look, the Giants need a ton of help.
Eric, the Giants also need a QB just like these teams desperately trying to get in position to draft one.
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Everyone looking to trade out. Wouldn't you want a blue chip player? Wether it's a qb or Barkley? We trade down to 12 then we have no chance at our own blue chip player.
Because if you don't have a conviction on a QB or feel multiple premium picks are more valuable than a RB.
Look, the Giants need a ton of help.
Eric, gun to head, what would you do? Do you roll the dice with Eli and Webb? Or do you take a potential future at 2? I just hate to be stuck in the 90s again if Webb doesn't work out.
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Everyone looking to trade out. Wouldn't you want a blue chip player? Wether it's a qb or Barkley? We trade down to 12 then we have no chance at our own blue chip player.
Because if you don't have a conviction on a QB or feel multiple premium picks are more valuable than a RB.
Look, the Giants need a ton of help.
Eric, the Giants also need a QB just like these teams desperately trying to get in position to draft one.
Just because you do doesn't mean you take whatever scraps are left to you. Concussion history? No thanks. Accuracy issues? No thanks. Baker? no thanks.
The only play for the Giants is barkley or trade down for a massive haul...and it better be massive.
Schefter also just said it's likely the first 3 picks are going to be QBs.
Could be. Teams undoubtedly have their preferred order for the QBs, but are willing to settle for just getting any one of the "big three."
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open avenue for a team targeting one of the top QB's. Giants can get a massive haul. Barkley has to be first ballot hof good for us to use this pick on him.
or we take a QB. Ever think of that?
Yes, in fact I hope that's what we do. I was making the comment for the Barkley crowd. IMO it makes little sense to take him now since if he turns out to be anything less than an all-time great RB then he's not worth this #2. We need to take a franchise QB or an all-time great at another position to pass up the trade offers we're going to get for this pick.
But right now, I think you either take the QB or trade back. I love Barkley, but if the Giants can get a massive trade deal out of the pick, I think they have to seriously consider taking it.
My thought process has always been this: the Giants will probably not be in this spot again for decades. I don't see the game-changing defender (a Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor) here. Offensively, when you pick this high, it's got to be a QB...someone who will be THE GUY for 10-15 years. If the Giants don't feel confident about the QB who will be there at #2, then don't force it. Trade back.
The whispers out there are the Giants are not going to draft a QB. I'm not sure I buy that. But if that is true, then I think trading down is seriously in play.
Schefter also just said it's likely the first 3 picks are going to be QBs.
Maybe DG didn't think that offer was enough for him.
Now, if he waits them out, and isn't high on a QB, maybe he can get their #1 next year, plus ? to go from 2-3. Key is going to be how he feels about a QB, or if the Browns take the one he wants at 1, IMO.
I could also see them trading back with Denver if they aren't high on a QB or he's gone at 1.
Yup. When you have a Barkley in your lap it better be an offer you can't refuse type of deal to pass him up. Hall of Fame players don't fall out of trees like this.
Schefter also just said it's likely the first 3 picks are going to be QBs.
This! However, there is the thought that even if the Giants might be willing to trade the #2 it wouldn't be to the crosstown rivals. Bad PR move to give the Jests Rosen or Darnold.
I don't understand why the Colts wouldn't sweat the Jets out and drive up the price.
Another interesting development is that the Jets may actually be a potential trade partner for the Giants. If the Giants actually do love Barkley over the QBs and the Jets have a preference for one, the Bills can be used as leverage to entice the Jets to move up on spot. Just one scenario that benefits the Giants after this move.
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Buffalo will have to pay a ransom to get to 2 ( If Giants want to trade). Colts didnt want to move further back than 6. Knew where drop off was. Its about the quality of the player
They dont have much to trade now
Yes IF the Giants REALLY like one of the quarterbacks at #2. But that's a big if.
My guess as of right now:
If the Browns take a QB, we stay put at #2, and take Barkley.
If the Browns take Barkley, we trade out for a fortune.
Either one is fine with me.
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To pick a QB here, hopefully Rosen if available. Idk why the jets wouldnt wait to see who the first few picks are before making this move.
Yes IF the Giants REALLY like one of the quarterbacks at #2. But that's a big if.
Its not really. Im sure the have one of them graded high enough
My guess as of right now:
If the Browns take a QB, we stay put at #2, and take Barkley.
If the Browns take Barkley, we trade out for a fortune.
Either one is fine with me.
You dont think QB is a need?
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What a shitty haul for the Colts. If this is the going rate don't trade. Quality is almost always better than quantity. Just stop outsmarting yourself and grab a QB or Barkley. People are obsessed with trades that usually work in the favor of the team trading up. Take the franchise altering player rather than hope to get a bunch of good players. This isn't hard. Take the fucking QB. Don't be the Browns.
I don't understand why the Colts wouldn't sweat the Jets out and drive up the price.
If we believe Dave Te then they really want Nelson or Chubb. And if the Jets wind up trading with us then they lose out on dropping to six where it seems Nelson will still be available.
How does this change anything for the Giants other than a) make their pick more valuable for QB needy teams or b) force CLE to more strongly consider a QB leaving Barkley for the Giants.
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The Jets just backed the Giants into a corner. LOVE IT.
Browns want Saquon at 1?
Giants have to take a QB at 2, and deal with all the Eli drama.
HAHAHAHAHA, Jets baby, well done!
Sam Darnold in play for the Jets?
Maybe I'm off because there was certainly Eli drama last year but I sure hope that DG won't be making the decision based on perceived Eli drama. Like this is someone trying to sound smart about a complete non-factor.