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What do we need back to move to Buffalo at 12?

Section131 : 3/17/2018 1:44 pm
First off that means Buffalo is desperate and nervous about the Jets. I think it has to start with both of their 1st round picks this year. But pick 12 is pretty far down from 2 so I'd be asking for their 2019 1st round pick next year also. Do we stop there or can we get more?

Would those 3 1sts be enough for you to move out of 2? If answer is no, what would it take? But be realistic, anybody who says 3 1s and 2 2s, that'll never happen.
Their whole draft board.  
Nysportsfn13 : 3/17/2018 1:45 pm : link
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3 1s, 2 twos, 2018 4th, and 2020 2  
CMicks3110 : 3/17/2018 1:46 pm : link
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Too far, no thanks  
JonC : 3/17/2018 1:48 pm : link
4 or 5, pick a blue chipper and enjoy the extra draft picks.
I  
AcidTest : 3/17/2018 1:48 pm : link
wouldn't do it, but:

2018: 12, 22, second round pick.
2019: first and second round picks. (Might take a third round instead of a second round pick.)
Won’t be enough  
djm : 3/17/2018 1:49 pm : link
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RE: Too far, no thanks  
AcidTest : 3/17/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13871193 JonC said:
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4 or 5, pick a blue chipper and enjoy the extra draft picks.


Agreed.
RE: I  
djm : 3/17/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13871195 AcidTest said:
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wouldn't do it, but:

2018: 12, 22, second round pick.
2019: first and second round picks. (Might take a third round instead of a second round pick.)


Nope.
Tell them to trade into the top 6, then we’ll listen  
Sean : 3/17/2018 1:50 pm : link
12 is too far back & a pick which will less likely hit.
RE: Too far, no thanks  
est1986 : 3/17/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13871193 JonC said:
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4 or 5, pick a blue chipper and enjoy the extra draft picks.


This. If it ain’t Cleveland or Denver calling, don’t even answer.
RE: Too far, no thanks  
Ryan in Albany : 3/17/2018 1:51 pm : link
In comment 13871193 JonC said:
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4 or 5, pick a blue chipper and enjoy the extra draft picks.


This.
I'm with John C  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/17/2018 1:51 pm : link
The lowest we trade down is to 4 or 5 to still get Nelson, but also get extra picks for 2018 and a 1st Round in 2019. The Bills can't provide us with that.
Their 2 firsts, their 2 seconds, and a 2nd next draft  
PatersonPlank : 3/17/2018 1:51 pm : link
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We need Denver to get agressive  
George from PA : 3/17/2018 1:53 pm : link
Gives us 5 their 2nd and 2019 1st
More than they  
Phil in LA : 3/17/2018 1:55 pm : link
have. It's too big a move back.
I’d do it for the following:  
TD : 3/17/2018 1:55 pm : link
2018: 1, 1, 2, 2
2019: 1
Why take Nelson at 4 when we can do this, potentially  
Sand_TheWedge : 3/17/2018 1:56 pm : link

Round 1 Pick 4 (CLE): Darnold, Sam, QB, Southern California (A)
Round 2 Pick 1 (CLE): Guice, Derrius, RB, LSU (A)
Round 2 Pick 4 (IND): Hernandez, Will, OG, Texas-El Paso (A)
Round 3 Pick 2: Kiser, Micah, ILB, Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 2: Bates III, Jessie, FS, Wake Forest (A+)
Round 4 Pick 4 (IND): Toliver II, Kevin, CB, LSU (A+)
Round 5 Pick 2: Callaway, Antonio, WR, Florida (A+)
Round 5 Pick 3 (IND): Lazard, Allen, WR, Iowa State (A)

Hernandez could be just as good and we still get a top 2 QB. A lot would have to happen so I don’t think it’ll play out like this but it’s fun playing
....  
ryanmkeane : 3/17/2018 1:56 pm : link
12, 22, both second rounders, and a 2019 1st. Anything less than that and I wouldn't do it.
RE: ....  
adamg : 3/17/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13871231 ryanmkeane said:
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12, 22, both second rounders, and a 2019 1st. Anything less than that and I wouldn't do it.


The three firsts are definites for me. I don't know that 1 or 2 seconds would be a big difference maker.
we drafted Beckham at 12  
Section131 : 3/17/2018 1:59 pm : link
don't forget that!
Buffalo would give us the biggest haul by far
Would need imv  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 1:59 pm : link
- Buffalo's two 1st round picks in 2018
- Buffalo's 2nd round pick in 2018
- Buffalo's 1st round pick in 2019


RE: Too far, no thanks  
DonnieD89 : 3/17/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13871193 JonC said:
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4 or 5, pick a blue chipper and enjoy the extra draft picks.


+1

Too much uncertainty with talent at #12 and #22. You can still get extra picks at #4, #5, or #6 and get a blue chip player.
I think  
Sammo85 : 3/17/2018 2:13 pm : link
we slide down to 5 with the Broncs and get their 2nd rounder, a 4th and a pick next year.

Then we take either Nelson, Barkley or Fitzpatrick.
People here are being WAY too generous to the Bills  
rich in DC : 3/17/2018 2:24 pm : link
Given that the Jets just traded up from 6 to 3 and had to give up their first, TWO seconds and their 2019 second, the Bills are going to have to give up a TON more picks than that.

Likely both 2018 firsts, both 2018 seconds, their 2018 third, their 2019 first and second, AND their 2020 first. Minimum. May even have to include players with the trade.

There is a HUGE difference between 6 and 12.

Right about now, the Bills have to be FURIOUS with the Colts.
If Buffalo is desperate and nervous about the Jets  
short lease : 3/17/2018 2:24 pm : link
Their worst fears just happened - Jets moved up to #3. Does this put more pressure on them to move to #2?

We will see .... same Bat time, same Bat channel ....
RE: If Buffalo is desperate and nervous about the Jets  
short lease : 3/17/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13871300 short lease said:
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Their worst fears just happened - Jets moved up to #3. Does this put more pressure on them to move to #2?

We will see .... same Bat time, same Bat channel ....


or what rich said ....
RE: I’d do it for the following:  
WillVAB : 3/17/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13871226 TD said:
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2018: 1, 1, 2, 2
2019: 1


This is the minimum I’d accept.

Giants and fans should be happy w this haul. Should net 7/22 starters on cheap deals including their own picks. Assumes the all of the other rounds bust.
RE: RE: I’d do it for the following:  
rich in DC : 3/17/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13871311 WillVAB said:
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2018: 1, 1, 2, 2
2019: 1



This is the minimum I’d accept.

Giants and fans should be happy w this haul. Should net 7/22 starters on cheap deals including their own picks. Assumes the all of the other rounds bust.


NOT EVEN CLOSE.

People, HOW IN THE WORLD do you accept almost the same deal that it took the Jets to move from 6 to 3 when you are moving from 2 to 12? If you were in the Giants front office and floated that idea to DG, you would be looking for a new job 2 minutes later.
RE: RE: Too far, no thanks  
Eman11 : 3/17/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13871197 AcidTest said:
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4 or 5, pick a blue chipper and enjoy the extra draft picks.



Agreed.


Same here.

Might be a bit far fetched but I'm hoping the Jets get antsy their guy will be gone at 3 and offer the Giants their 1st next year to move up one spot.

Then the Giants can listen to offers for the #3. Maybe get a nice little haul from Denver to go from 3 > 5, and still grab a Blue Chip player. One of Barkley,Chubb,Nelson or Fitzpatrick.

RE: 3 1s, 2 twos, 2018 4th, and 2020 2  
Boy Cord : 3/17/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13871190 CMicks3110 said:
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Has to be three #1’s. Skins moved from 6 to 2 for three #1’s and a 2012 2. Maybe more. The freaking Bills would have to jump from 12!

I din’t remember the Wentz deal. That’s another comp. The Bills won’t move up to the Giants slot. They will have to trade down and still only settle for the 4th best QB.
3 number 1s  
Motley Two : 3/17/2018 3:05 pm : link
and David God Damn Putney because I FEEL like it!
RE: RE: RE: I’d do it for the following:  
adamg : 3/17/2018 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13871338 rich in DC said:
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2018: 1, 1, 2, 2
2019: 1



This is the minimum I’d accept.

Giants and fans should be happy w this haul. Should net 7/22 starters on cheap deals including their own picks. Assumes the all of the other rounds bust.



NOT EVEN CLOSE.

People, HOW IN THE WORLD do you accept almost the same deal that it took the Jets to move from 6 to 3 when you are moving from 2 to 12? If you were in the Giants front office and floated that idea to DG, you would be looking for a new job 2 minutes later.


How is that the same deal?
RE: 3 1s, 2 twos, 2018 4th, and 2020 2  
huygens20 : 3/17/2018 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13871190 CMicks3110 said:
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Yep nailed it
RE: we drafted Beckham at 12  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2018 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13871240 Section131 said:
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don't forget that!
Buffalo would give us the biggest haul by far

Excellent point! Who has the 199th pick? That's where Brady was drafted - get the Titans on the phone and let's trade for that pick!
RE: We need Denver to get agressive  
chopperhatch : 3/17/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13871220 George from PA said:
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Gives us 5 their 2nd and 2019 1st



Thats STILL not enough!


The Jets moved up 3 spots by trading 2nds. If the Broncos want to move up its gotta cost even more than that.

5, 2nd this year, 3rd this year, 1st and 2nds next.
The idea that there are  
joeinpa : 3/17/2018 4:01 pm : link
Teams desperate to trade up to get a quarterback, flys in the face of the idea that this is not a quarterback class worthy of the second pick

You can t have it both ways.

If the picks that valuable, keep it!
Picks 12, 22, 53 and 56  
jeff57 : 3/17/2018 4:04 pm : link
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1st round picks in 2018 19 20 21  
spike : 3/17/2018 4:19 pm : link
and 3 second round picks
RE: 3 1s, 2 twos, 2018 4th, and 2020 2  
sharpshooter66 : 3/17/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13871190 CMicks3110 said:
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You and me have the right idea. Mug them blind
RE: RE: Too far, no thanks  
Mr. Nickels : 3/17/2018 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13871205 est1986 said:
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4 or 5, pick a blue chipper and enjoy the extra draft picks.



This. If it ain’t Cleveland or Denver calling, don’t even answer.


Cle has no reason to trade up to 2 anymore
RE: RE: RE: RE: I’d do it for the following:  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/17/2018 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13871406 adamg said:
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2018: 1, 1, 2, 2
2019: 1



This is the minimum I’d accept.

Giants and fans should be happy w this haul. Should net 7/22 starters on cheap deals including their own picks. Assumes the all of the other rounds bust.



NOT EVEN CLOSE.

People, HOW IN THE WORLD do you accept almost the same deal that it took the Jets to move from 6 to 3 when you are moving from 2 to 12? If you were in the Giants front office and floated that idea to DG, you would be looking for a new job 2 minutes later.



How is that the same deal?


I think the beer was flowing early this st. Party's day at Rich's house.
RE: we drafted Beckham at 12  
djm : 3/17/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13871240 Section131 said:
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don't forget that!
Buffalo would give us the biggest haul by far


We traded a fortune for Eli.
We drafted LT at 2.

Don’t forget that.
Having a new HC would be the only reason to trade that far back...  
GloryDayz : 3/17/2018 4:53 pm : link
Lack of fimiliarity with current roster, and how players fit in within the system/ schemes.

If it gives the Giants a couple of high picks next year(1st & 2nd/3rd), in addition to this years 2 first round picks and a 2nd/3rd, I do it. It’s give the Giants a chance to go BPA, or at least PBA at position of need in this years draft, and extra high picks to maneuver around next year with a better understanding of their needs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I’d do it for the following:  
rich in DC : 3/17/2018 11:14 pm : link
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2018: 1, 1, 2, 2
2019: 1



This is the minimum I’d accept.

Giants and fans should be happy w this haul. Should net 7/22 starters on cheap deals including their own picks. Assumes the all of the other rounds bust.



NOT EVEN CLOSE.

People, HOW IN THE WORLD do you accept almost the same deal that it took the Jets to move from 6 to 3 when you are moving from 2 to 12? If you were in the Giants front office and floated that idea to DG, you would be looking for a new job 2 minutes later.



How is that the same deal?



I think the beer was flowing early this st. Party's day at Rich's house.


I was waiting for our resident clown to show up.

Got some lies to tell us today?
RE: RE: RE: Too far, no thanks  
Eman11 : 3/17/2018 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13871600 Mr. Nickels said:
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4 or 5, pick a blue chipper and enjoy the extra draft picks.



This. If it ain’t Cleveland or Denver calling, don’t even answer.



Cle has no reason to trade up to 2 anymore


They do if they want to guarantee their choice of QBs and still get Barkley. Or any two players for that matter. No guarantee the guy they would want is still there at 4, and the Browns have a lot of picks this year to trade if they wanted.

They have the two 1's, three 2's (the 1st,3rd and last in that Rd) and the 1st pick in Rd 3. That's six picks in the top 65 players. Plus another five picks in rds 4-7.

There's literally nothing they could give us (within reason) that  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/17/2018 11:54 pm : link
would make me move back to 12. The farthest I'd move down is 5. At that spot, we'd get a haul and one of the 3 best players in the draft, Quentin Nelson.
I want the entire  
Tom from LI : 3/18/2018 12:00 am : link
2018 draft for Buffalo and the entire 2019 draft.

ok, too harsh.. I will leave them a 7th rounder next year.
RE: we drafted Beckham at 12  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2018 12:08 am : link
In comment 13871240 Section131 said:
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don't forget that!
Buffalo would give us the biggest haul by far


It's true that Beckham was drafted 12th. 2014 was also flooded with talent. Not every year looks like this. Some of them are completely awful.


RE: I’d do it for the following:  
AdamBrag : 3/18/2018 12:46 am : link
In comment 13871226 TD said:
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2018: 1, 1, 2, 2
2019: 1


This trade would allow us to compete for this year and build a base for the future. We better love a QB at 2 in order to not take a deal like this.
Best case scenario for the Giants  
Breeze_94 : 3/18/2018 6:28 am : link
Buffalo moves up to #4 after a trade with CLE.

Jets/Bills battle it out for the Giants pick. Giants end up trading down with Buffalo who can’t afford to sit back and let their AFC East Rivals get their guy (Rosen).

Giants get the 4th pick and an additional 1st rounder (likely not this year because Buffalo will have used both of those to move up with Cleveland.)

So, Giants get extra picks and still land the best player in the draft at #4 (Barkley IMO)
RE: Best case scenario for the Giants  
section125 : 3/18/2018 7:08 am : link
In comment 13872201 Breeze_94 said:
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Buffalo moves up to #4 after a trade with CLE.

Jets/Bills battle it out for the Giants pick. Giants end up trading down with Buffalo who can’t afford to sit back and let their AFC East Rivals get their guy (Rosen).

Giants get the 4th pick and an additional 1st rounder (likely not this year because Buffalo will have used both of those to move up with Cleveland.)

So, Giants get extra picks and still land the best player in the draft at #4 (Barkley IMO)


The Giants are not trading down for a pick in next years draft. Buffalo will have nothing left if they move to #4, so just what will they offer the Giants - next years #1 and #2? What good does that do?

Stay at #2 and take a QB or Barkley. (Although I admit trading with Buffalo for 12, 22, the 2 second rounders and next years #1 (plus) is tempting.)
Does Buffalo have any players worth  
Brown Recluse : 3/18/2018 8:58 am : link
throwing in to sweeten the pot?
Go down to 5  
Carl in CT : 3/18/2018 9:39 am : link
(Get a haul of picks) there should be one QB there that Buffalo likes. Trade again down to 12. Improve the roster. Next year with the (2nd #1) move up for the QB. Easy huh? Just like the movie.
Trading back to 12 would be my nightmare scenario  
Bramton1 : 3/18/2018 9:46 am : link
For months, we've been hearing Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Darnold, Barkley, Nelson, Chubb. And then we trade down to a position where NONE of them are likely available?
RE: RE: Best case scenario for the Giants  
Eman11 : 3/18/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13872209 section125 said:
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Buffalo moves up to #4 after a trade with CLE.

Jets/Bills battle it out for the Giants pick. Giants end up trading down with Buffalo who can’t afford to sit back and let their AFC East Rivals get their guy (Rosen).

Giants get the 4th pick and an additional 1st rounder (likely not this year because Buffalo will have used both of those to move up with Cleveland.)

So, Giants get extra picks and still land the best player in the draft at #4 (Barkley IMO)



The Giants are not trading down for a pick in next years draft. Buffalo will have nothing left if they move to #4, so just what will they offer the Giants - next years #1 and #2? What good does that do?

Stay at #2 and take a QB or Barkley. (Although I admit trading with Buffalo for 12, 22, the 2 second rounders and next years #1 (plus) is tempting.)


What good does it do? Let's say for arguments sake the Giants want Barkley and not a QB. A move back to four in this scenario still enables them to get him, and they have extra picks next year. Isn't that better than just drafting him at 2 this year?

They could either keep those picks or use them to trade up next year if they wanted. Still have Barkley and some chips to play with. Win- win,IMO.
RE: RE: I’d do it for the following:  
PatersonPlank : 3/18/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13872161 AdamBrag said:
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2018: 1, 1, 2, 2
2019: 1



This trade would allow us to compete for this year and build a base for the future. We better love a QB at 2 in order to not take a deal like this.


I'd absolutely do this. I may even do it for just the 2018 1's (both of them) and the 2019 #1.
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