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| What would that take? Well, according to the NFL Draft Value Chart, an unofficial guide assigning points to every pick, moving up from No. 3 to No. 2 should cost 582 points — the equivalent of a high second-round pick. The problem is the Jets sent their two second-round picks in this draft and their 2019 second-round pick to the Colts in order to move up three spots. Any deal would likely have to be the pick for a player. Perhaps the Giants look at Darron Lee, a speedy linebacker, as a good fit in their new defense and accept the 2016 first-round pick as compensation for swapping draft spots with the Jets. Another possible trade twist involves the Bills, who are leapfrogging in the first round, seemingly trying to get as high as possible to get a quarterback. They moved from No. 21 to No. 12 in a trade with the Bengals, but the 12th-overall pick is not high enough to land one of the top quarterback prospects. If the Giants are not taking a quarterback, they could work a deal with the Bills — if Gettleman is content to drop out of the top 10. To drop from No. 2 to No. 12, the Giants should get 1,400 points of value. That could be accomplished if the Bills send their second first-round pick (22nd overall, worth 780 points) and their two second-round picks (53rd overall, worth 370 points, and 56th overall, worth 340 points) to the Giants. That adds up to 1,490 points and represents fair value. The Bills most likely would stipulate one of the second-round picks would be in 2019. The Jets moving up could also make the Broncos anxious, as they sit at No. 5 and are eyeing quarterbacks. If they want to swap with the Giants and rise up three slots it would cost 900 value points. That adds up to the Broncos giving up the No. 5-overall pick, their second-round pick (40th overall, 500 points), their third-round pick (71st overall, 235 points) and their fourth-round pick (106th overall, 82 points). Or it could add up to a second-round pick this year and next year. |
I agree. I'd want way more than Paul Schwartz proposed.
No freaking way
All that and next years #1 pick would get it done
Draft Barkeley unless you think youre looking at a serious franchise QB and then go depth at OL, CB, DL, etc
You move down because of value.
Its never foolish to take the top prospect in the draft at #2 if there is a consensus in the draft room that he is the top prospect AND you are weak in that position.
Draft Barkeley unless you think youre looking at a serious franchise QB and then go depth at OL, CB, DL, etc
No way with Barkley over the QB unless the QB is only projected to be slightly above avg in the future.
Draft the QB. Then draft a RB in the 3rd round or 4th round. With the wide receivers, offensive line and tight ends, the offense will be good enough.
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To fill that others obviously do. The offensive line has been improved at the expense of the secondary a little but we added 2 quality linebackers that filled a gaping hole, our DL is solid, our S position is solid, we can easily add a starting guard in the second round with the right pick, we have an elite WR and a solid #3 WR, good TE's, and a veteran QB.
Draft Barkeley unless you think youre looking at a serious franchise QB and then go depth at OL, CB, DL, etc
No way with Barkley over the QB unless the QB is only projected to be slightly above avg in the future.
Draft the QB. Then draft a RB in the 3rd round or 4th round. With the wide receivers, offensive line and tight ends, the offense will be good enough.
Yes some of you have a QB or bust mentality, that is a flawed mentality from the jump. IMO you have to love the QB more than you love Barkley or the value offered in a trade. I have no idea how the FO views the QB or Barkley so im speculating like everyone else.
I don't think everyone who reads the Post understands this is where the conversation starts. Sure, most here do but writing an article for the masses, he should make that clear,IMO.
Most average fans would take a sports columnist as knowing more than themselves and figure he is right on in his take.
I do agree with your point on the bidding war though. No doubt that's exactly how they should treat it.
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To fill that others obviously do. The offensive line has been improved at the expense of the secondary a little but we added 2 quality linebackers that filled a gaping hole, our DL is solid, our S position is solid, we can easily add a starting guard in the second round with the right pick, we have an elite WR and a solid #3 WR, good TE's, and a veteran QB.
Draft Barkeley unless you think youre looking at a serious franchise QB and then go depth at OL, CB, DL, etc
No way with Barkley over the QB unless the QB is only projected to be slightly above avg in the future.
Draft the QB. Then draft a RB in the 3rd round or 4th round. With the wide receivers, offensive line and tight ends, the offense will be good enough.
Yes some of you have a QB or bust mentality, that is a flawed mentality from the jump. IMO you have to love the QB more than you love Barkley or the value offered in a trade. I have no idea how the FO views the QB or Barkley so im speculating like everyone else.
No.
SOme of you have this Barkley or bust mentality closing your eyes to the fact the QB isn't the most important position on the field. Thus trying so hard to desperately justify Barkley through flawed reasoning that the QB position is no more important than other spots.
Qb- Rosen
C - Daniels
RB - Penny.
Now Say we trade back to twelve and 22. We also get 53, and 66 plus a pick next season. At 12 we take Roquan Smith. 22 we take Isaiah Wynn. 34 we take Josh Jackson. 53 we take keryon Johnson. 65 we take Da'shawn Hand. Finall at 66 we take Kyle Lauletta.
That would leave us with.
LB - Roquan Smith
og - Isaiah Wynn
CB - Josh Jackson
RB - Kerryon Johnson
DT - Da' Shawn Hand
QB - Kyle Lauletta.
Of course name just hypothetical. Which would you choose?
I say trade back.
Qb- Rosen
C - Daniels
RB - Penny.
Now Say we trade back to twelve and 22. We also get 53, and 66 plus a pick next season. At 12 we take Roquan Smith. 22 we take Isaiah Wynn. 34 we take Josh Jackson. 53 we take keryon Johnson. 65 we take Da'shawn Hand. Finall at 66 we take Kyle Lauletta.
That would leave us with.
LB - Roquan Smith
og - Isaiah Wynn
CB - Josh Jackson
RB - Kerryon Johnson
DT - Da' Shawn Hand
QB - Kyle Lauletta.
Of course name just hypothetical. Which would you choose?
I say trade back.
I'd want "Rosen" quality. A QB you can have for 12-15 years.
Who is this journeyman QB you want? IS he a relative of yours?
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To fill that others obviously do. The offensive line has been improved at the expense of the secondary a little but we added 2 quality linebackers that filled a gaping hole, our DL is solid, our S position is solid, we can easily add a starting guard in the second round with the right pick, we have an elite WR and a solid #3 WR, good TE's, and a veteran QB.
Draft Barkeley unless you think youre looking at a serious franchise QB and then go depth at OL, CB, DL, etc
No way with Barkley over the QB unless the QB is only projected to be slightly above avg in the future.
Draft the QB. Then draft a RB in the 3rd round or 4th round. With the wide receivers, offensive line and tight ends, the offense will be good enough.
Yes some of you have a QB or bust mentality, that is a flawed mentality from the jump. IMO you have to love the QB more than you love Barkley or the value offered in a trade. I have no idea how the FO views the QB or Barkley so im speculating like everyone else.
No.
SOme of you have this Barkley or bust mentality closing your eyes to the fact the QB isn't the most important position on the field. Thus trying so hard to desperately justify Barkley through flawed reasoning that the QB position is no more important than other spots.
Thats not what I said at all if you could read i clearly stated multiple options in my post including Barkley, a QB if they like one, or trading down. What I dont want is to draft a bust QB because people think we MUST draft a QB
Qb- Rosen
C - Daniels
RB - Penny.
Now Say we trade back to twelve and 22. We also get 53, and 66 plus a pick next season. At 12 we take Roquan Smith. 22 we take Isaiah Wynn. 34 we take Josh Jackson. 53 we take keryon Johnson. 65 we take Da'shawn Hand. Finall at 66 we take Kyle Lauletta.
That would leave us with.
LB - Roquan Smith
og - Isaiah Wynn
CB - Josh Jackson
RB - Kerryon Johnson
DT - Da' Shawn Hand
QB - Kyle Lauletta.
Of course name just hypothetical. Which would you choose?
I say trade back.
I will take the blue chip QB every day that ends in "y." While I actually like Lauletta and wasnt crazy about Rosen only as he compares to Darnold or Mayfield, Rosen is by far the most polished QB in the draft. Darnold is the most talented and can benefit the most from Shurmur.
The only way you trade back is if Eli was still playing great, was 30 and we still had Bradshaw and Jacobs toting the rock. Every time. I consider guys like Barkley or Nelson or Fitzpatrick, I remember the Jets who tried this strategy several times. They fielded a very tough team...OL, DL, Secondary, linebackers some nice receivers....no QB. Bengals have had one of the best rosters in the league for almost a decade. Never had the QB. Chiefs as of late.
It all comes back to the QB. And when you draft at 2 in one of the most heralded QB classes in over a decade, you dont fuck around unless a team offers something that nets you another chance at a QB in the next 2 drafts. Thats why my price is 3 1s and 3 2s to get Gettleman on the phone.
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To fill that others obviously do. The offensive line has been improved at the expense of the secondary a little but we added 2 quality linebackers that filled a gaping hole, our DL is solid, our S position is solid, we can easily add a starting guard in the second round with the right pick, we have an elite WR and a solid #3 WR, good TE's, and a veteran QB.
Draft Barkeley unless you think youre looking at a serious franchise QB and then go depth at OL, CB, DL, etc
No way with Barkley over the QB unless the QB is only projected to be slightly above avg in the future.
Draft the QB. Then draft a RB in the 3rd round or 4th round. With the wide receivers, offensive line and tight ends, the offense will be good enough.
Yes some of you have a QB or bust mentality, that is a flawed mentality from the jump. IMO you have to love the QB more than you love Barkley or the value offered in a trade. I have no idea how the FO views the QB or Barkley so im speculating like everyone else.
No.
SOme of you have this Barkley or bust mentality closing your eyes to the fact the QB isn't the most important position on the field. Thus trying so hard to desperately justify Barkley through flawed reasoning that the QB position is no more important than other spots.
Thats not what I said at all if you could read i clearly stated multiple options in my post including Barkley, a QB if they like one, or trading down. What I dont want is to draft a bust QB because people think we MUST draft a QB
Apparently everybody else feels this is the draft to take a QB as well.
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Say we stay at 2 and take Rosen like some want at two. Then at 34 we take say James Daniels the center from Iowa. Then at 66 we Rashaad penny. not bad. We'd have
Qb- Rosen
C - Daniels
RB - Penny.
Now Say we trade back to twelve and 22. We also get 53, and 66 plus a pick next season. At 12 we take Roquan Smith. 22 we take Isaiah Wynn. 34 we take Josh Jackson. 53 we take keryon Johnson. 65 we take Da'shawn Hand. Finall at 66 we take Kyle Lauletta.
That would leave us with.
LB - Roquan Smith
og - Isaiah Wynn
CB - Josh Jackson
RB - Kerryon Johnson
DT - Da' Shawn Hand
QB - Kyle Lauletta.
Of course name just hypothetical. Which would you choose?
I say trade back.
I'd want "Rosen" quality. A QB you can have for 12-15 years.
Who is this journeyman QB you want? IS he a relative of yours?
That journeyman QB could be the next Jimmy G. lit up the senior game for MVP honors and had a strong showing at the combine and pro day. definitely an alternative to taking a qb at #2
Qb- Rosen
C - Daniels
RB - Penny.
Now Say we trade back to twelve and 22. We also get 53, and 66 plus a pick next season. At 12 we take Roquan Smith. 22 we take Isaiah Wynn. 34 we take Josh Jackson. 53 we take keryon Johnson. 65 we take Da'shawn Hand. Finall at 66 we take Kyle Lauletta.
That would leave us with.
LB - Roquan Smith
og - Isaiah Wynn
CB - Josh Jackson
RB - Kerryon Johnson
DT - Da' Shawn Hand
QB - Kyle Lauletta.
Of course name just hypothetical. Which would you choose?
I say trade back.
I'm a UGA fan, so getting Smith and Wynn would be a good get. But as your scenario is laid out, I'd stand pat and select Rosen, Daniels, and Penny. The higher probability that Rosen can be our franchise QB for the next 10 years is worth staying at 2. Even with the concussion concerns. Hell you don't see GB moving on from AR due to his concussion history and the broken collarbone (which I thought was the second that happened).