Reasonable to assume Giants turned down 3 2s to move to 6. They either love a QB or made an awful decision. Their actions up until now dont say they are picking a QB
I think we can be pretty confident QBs will be drafted 1 and 3 at this point. And I think probably 2 as well, whether it's by the Giants or someone who trades up for the pick.
Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
for three 2s as well. Simply not enough, and thats before factoring in that he 2 pick is more valuable than the 3 especially if you think heres a big droop off from the top 2 QBs and the rest.
Unless we have an offer consisting of multiple firsts with multiple 2s and 3s, its not worth listening to.
you do it when you are on the clock. That is when the other teams get desperate just like Acorsi was when we traded for Eli.
Once Cleveland makes their first selection, THAT is when the offers will come. If a team farther back wants a player, why would they trade with us today without knowing whether he will still be there at #2?
Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
like the QBs could go in the first 4 picks. Teams are climbing all over themselves to get in a position to pick one. They are climbing all over themselves to get in the position we are already in...pick a QB!!!!!!
you do it when you are on the clock. That is when the other teams get desperate just like Acorsi was when we traded for Eli.
Once Cleveland makes their first selection, THAT is when the offers will come. If a team farther back wants a player, why would they trade with us today without knowing whether he will still be there at #2?
Yup.
Said it before and I'll say it again. Maybe the Jets guy is there at 2 but worry Denver or someone else trades with the Giants and jumps them, and the Jets offer their 1 next year to move up to 2.
you do it when you are on the clock. That is when the other teams get desperate just like Acorsi was when we traded for Eli.
Once Cleveland makes their first selection, THAT is when the offers will come. If a team farther back wants a player, why would they trade with us today without knowing whether he will still be there at #2?
Agree, with one exception: Those offers will be made in advance. You can line up a potential trade, wait until you're on the clock to see if a better offer comes in, then either pull the trigger on the original offer, take the new one, or make the pick.
And the trade talks probably continue after the pick is made. If you take, say, Rosen, you can still trade him, as the Chargers picked Eli and traded him.
like the QBs could go in the first 4 picks. Teams are climbing all over themselves to get in a position to pick one. They are climbing all over themselves to get in the position we are already in...pick a QB!!!!!!
Why do it if they're not sold on one of them? Just because other teams are falling over themselves doesn't mean the Giants have to take one of them.
If anything it makes their pick way more valuable to one of the team's falling all over themselves.
Let's say for arguments sake the Giants don't love one of these QBs. If they can trade back to say 5, they would still get a top talent player this year and pick up at least another 1 next year plus a pick this year.
They'd have another full year to evaluate Webb with Shurmur, and if he's not in their plans going forward,they'd have two 1's next year to make a move if they wanted, plus they'd still have the Blue Chip player for this year, and any other picks they get for #2.
you do it when you are on the clock. That is when the other teams get desperate just like Acorsi was when we traded for Eli.
Once Cleveland makes their first selection, THAT is when the offers will come. If a team farther back wants a player, why would they trade with us today without knowing whether he will still be there at #2?
Exactly... there are 3 or 4 top QBs in the draft. Not one clear top prospect. Teams will likely give them different grades, and will have a different favorite. Once the Browns pick their guy, teams who graded the remaining 2 or 3 higher, and have the ammo to trade up would be more willing to do so, even at a steeper price. Same applies to Barkley if the Browns dont pick him #1 (doubt they will, the Jets trade forces their hand to take a QB I think). This works out great for the Giants. I wouldnt even entertain an offer till after the Browns pick. Talk to us then.
Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If anything there actions show they are going to take a QB. Mara knows Eli is almost done that's why he allowed him to be benched last year.
They went out and go a QB guru as their HC.
That QB guru came out and said he wanted an OC whose worked with QBs before. That's exactly what they did when hiring an OC. They went out an got an OC that developed the 1st overall pick from his rookie year through his 7th season. Which he did a damn good job. The QB he developed has a career record of 64-47 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 season. He turned into an MVP and has been to a SB.
The GM who hired those 2 guys specifically stated they didn't want to be in a QB hell and if they don't draft one that is exactly where they will be. They'll have a 39 year old whose on the downside of his career making 23.2 million and a 3rd round pick who couldn't beat out Geno Smith. They don't draft a QB and they'll be in the same boat as the Cardinals or Broncos signing average QBs to a deal worth 20 million a year.
The Giants didn't bring in 2 QB gurus for a 15 year vet whose nearing 40 years old. They did it so they can draft and develop a new franchise QB.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
But for health, Rosen might supplant him next season. The others? Almost universally people say they need to sit and learn. Then, learn again, by fire, for a year..so, except for Rosen, who likely would be retired by then, you get two years before youre in a Cousins/Washington situation.
The other irony is that, we need a qb now because of our current qb, but if we take someone else and keep our current qb then we will win so much that we will never be in a position to pick a an again? Wtf
Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If anything there actions show they are going to take a QB. Mara knows Eli is almost done that's why he allowed him to be benched last year.
They went out and go a QB guru as their HC.
That QB guru came out and said he wanted an OC whose worked with QBs before. That's exactly what they did when hiring an OC. They went out an got an OC that developed the 1st overall pick from his rookie year through his 7th season. Which he did a damn good job. The QB he developed has a career record of 64-47 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 season. He turned into an MVP and has been to a SB.
The GM who hired those 2 guys specifically stated they didn't want to be in a QB hell and if they don't draft one that is exactly where they will be. They'll have a 39 year old whose on the downside of his career making 23.2 million and a 3rd round pick who couldn't beat out Geno Smith. They don't draft a QB and they'll be in the same boat as the Cardinals or Broncos signing average QBs to a deal worth 20 million a year.
The Giants didn't bring in 2 QB gurus for a 15 year vet whose nearing 40 years old. They did it so they can draft and develop a new franchise QB.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
the last paragraph anyway, makes a lot of sense and is about the most logical indicator that they will go qb that I can think of. It that I find, with this group, it to be a logical decision, but I do believe they are looking at it like you.
prospects. You can't ignore the fact that it is obvious MANY teams LOVE these QB prospects. I submit that makes it more likely (not certain but more likely) that Gettleman also thinks they are pretty good. Also, if he doesn't like any of them it is also becoming increasing clear he is swimming against the grain based on what other GM's think.
Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
I don't think it made anything obvious except the fact they think the # 2 is worth more than what the Jets offered.
Maybe they do like one of Barkley/Nelson/Chubb but feel the one they like won't be there at 6. Maybe they feel they could get a lot more to drop to say 5 with Denver.
I don't see how not trading with the Jets is a guarantee the Giants are taking a QB. It's possible they do want one, but passing on that trade doesn't confirm that to me.
prospects. You can't ignore the fact that it is obvious MANY teams LOVE these QB prospects. I submit that makes it more likely (not certain but more likely) that Gettleman also thinks they are pretty good. Also, if he doesn't like any of them it is also becoming increasing clear he is swimming against the grain based on what other GM's think.
No doubt. I'm just talking on the condition DG isn't sold on one of the QBs, and just because others are, doesn't mean he has to be.
Or if DG loves one of them but what if the Browns love the same guy and take him at 1? Does he take a QB he doesn't love just because other teams are falling over themselves for one? I'd hope not.
The fact it seems others are, makes the #2 even more valuable if the Giants aren't sold on a QB or if he's gone at 1. Either way the Jets trade made this pick way more valuable and the Giants are sitting even prettier now IMO.
Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If anything there actions show they are going to take a QB. Mara knows Eli is almost done that's why he allowed him to be benched last year.
They went out and go a QB guru as their HC.
That QB guru came out and said he wanted an OC whose worked with QBs before. That's exactly what they did when hiring an OC. They went out an got an OC that developed the 1st overall pick from his rookie year through his 7th season. Which he did a damn good job. The QB he developed has a career record of 64-47 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 season. He turned into an MVP and has been to a SB.
The GM who hired those 2 guys specifically stated they didn't want to be in a QB hell and if they don't draft one that is exactly where they will be. They'll have a 39 year old whose on the downside of his career making 23.2 million and a 3rd round pick who couldn't beat out Geno Smith. They don't draft a QB and they'll be in the same boat as the Cardinals or Broncos signing average QBs to a deal worth 20 million a year.
The Giants didn't bring in 2 QB gurus for a 15 year vet whose nearing 40 years old. They did it so they can draft and develop a new franchise QB.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
Its stupid to make the trade now unless you are bowled over by an offer. You already know that the Bills are positioning themselves to move up and its not inconceivable that Denver may now feel under pressure to move up.
Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If anything there actions show they are going to take a QB. Mara knows Eli is almost done that's why he allowed him to be benched last year.
They went out and go a QB guru as their HC.
That QB guru came out and said he wanted an OC whose worked with QBs before. That's exactly what they did when hiring an OC. They went out an got an OC that developed the 1st overall pick from his rookie year through his 7th season. Which he did a damn good job. The QB he developed has a career record of 64-47 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 season. He turned into an MVP and has been to a SB.
The GM who hired those 2 guys specifically stated they didn't want to be in a QB hell and if they don't draft one that is exactly where they will be. They'll have a 39 year old whose on the downside of his career making 23.2 million and a 3rd round pick who couldn't beat out Geno Smith. They don't draft a QB and they'll be in the same boat as the Cardinals or Broncos signing average QBs to a deal worth 20 million a year.
The Giants didn't bring in 2 QB gurus for a 15 year vet whose nearing 40 years old. They did it so they can draft and develop a new franchise QB.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
Why must "drafting a QB" be part of your "draft and develop" statement? Why can't it to be to just develop the young QB they have on the roster already? Maybe they know Webb IS a franchise QB if taught correctly and they are putting the pieces in place to make that happen.
I'm just throwing it out there.... food for thought.
inconsequential. Who cares what he thinks. I think they would have wanted more than 3 - #2s.
Maybe they really want a QB or Barkley.
Thats what I think it comes down to. They either really like a quarterback at #2 or they really like Barkley at #2. They are not interested in trading down unless there is an offer they cant refuse. Gettleman is going to be busting some balls in order to give up the #2 pick.
inconsequential. Who cares what he thinks. I think they would have wanted more than 3 - #2s.
Maybe they really want a QB or Barkley.
Thats what I think it comes down to. They either really like a quarterback at #2 or they really like Barkley at #2. They are not interested in trading down unless there is an offer they cant refuse. Gettleman is going to be busting some balls in order to give up the #2 pick.
Exactly right. It would have to be something RIDICULOUS. Like 3 #1s, 3 #2s to SWAP picks this year. That might be what it takes to get Denver to move up. Buffalo might have to give us both ones this year, both 2s, 1st and 2nd next year, 1st and and 3rd in '20 and a player....like Tre'Davious White. I doubt they would ever do that too, but you dont know their desperation. We obviously value this pick big time and are not willing to budge unless its for something ridiculous.
It is obvious Giants are going QB at #2. Many don't want to believe that and want a lot of extra picks they can mock with...
Absolutely agree. You don't trade down and accumulate extra picks, only to have to use those same picks to move up the following year. Look at Buffalo. They bypassed Mahomes and Watson and are now trying to use the first round pick they got by moving down - and other picks - to get up and get a QB. Now, maybe they didn't like Mahomes or Watson, and that's fine. But I have a really, really tough time believing that the Giants do not like any of the four QBs who will go in the top 5 picks.
It is obvious Giants are going QB at #2. Many don't want to believe that and want a lot of extra picks they can mock with...
Absolutely agree. You don't trade down and accumulate extra picks, only to have to use those same picks to move up the following year. Look at Buffalo. They bypassed Mahomes and Watson and are now trying to use the first round pick they got by moving down - and other picks - to get up and get a QB. Now, maybe they didn't like Mahomes or Watson, and that's fine. But I have a really, really tough time believing that the Giants do not like any of the four QBs who will go in the top 5 picks.
Maybe they do like one but what if he's the same one the Browns like and take at 1? I don't see them going with a QB if they're not really high on him and it's definitely possible they're really only high on one of them.
I think this is the likely case. If Cleveland takes who the Giants are targeting, then its Barkley or trade down. I think that QB is Darnold.
It's Rosen. Darnold is not a Giants type qb. Rosen checks all the boxes. I'm sure the Giants have had his Heath cleared. Browns are not taking Rosen.
If you are a Giants staffer, I will believe you; otherwise, the last time I recalled, Jerry Reese is is no longer the GM, so how can you say Darnold is not the Giants type?
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I think we can be pretty confident QBs will be drafted 1 and 3 at this point. And I think probably 2 as well, whether it's by the Giants or someone who trades up for the pick.
That's patently ridiculous to claim
Exactly.
The Giants obviously feel they can get a better deal if they're not going QB.
Maybe they really want a QB or Barkley.
Unless we have an offer consisting of multiple firsts with multiple 2s and 3s, its not worth listening to.
That's patently ridiculous to claim
^This. It's worth a lot more because at #2 you are guaranteed to be able to choose between two of the "big three."
Once Cleveland makes their first selection, THAT is when the offers will come. If a team farther back wants a player, why would they trade with us today without knowing whether he will still be there at #2?
I hope they did.
Why does he have credibility again?
I know.
The dude is just throwing darts.
Once Cleveland makes their first selection, THAT is when the offers will come. If a team farther back wants a player, why would they trade with us today without knowing whether he will still be there at #2?
Yup.
Said it before and I'll say it again. Maybe the Jets guy is there at 2 but worry Denver or someone else trades with the Giants and jumps them, and the Jets offer their 1 next year to move up to 2.
Wonder what Banner would say then.
Once Cleveland makes their first selection, THAT is when the offers will come. If a team farther back wants a player, why would they trade with us today without knowing whether he will still be there at #2?
And the trade talks probably continue after the pick is made. If you take, say, Rosen, you can still trade him, as the Chargers picked Eli and traded him.
Why do it if they're not sold on one of them? Just because other teams are falling over themselves doesn't mean the Giants have to take one of them.
If anything it makes their pick way more valuable to one of the team's falling all over themselves.
Let's say for arguments sake the Giants don't love one of these QBs. If they can trade back to say 5, they would still get a top talent player this year and pick up at least another 1 next year plus a pick this year.
They'd have another full year to evaluate Webb with Shurmur, and if he's not in their plans going forward,they'd have two 1's next year to make a move if they wanted, plus they'd still have the Blue Chip player for this year, and any other picks they get for #2.
Once Cleveland makes their first selection, THAT is when the offers will come. If a team farther back wants a player, why would they trade with us today without knowing whether he will still be there at #2?
Exactly... there are 3 or 4 top QBs in the draft. Not one clear top prospect. Teams will likely give them different grades, and will have a different favorite. Once the Browns pick their guy, teams who graded the remaining 2 or 3 higher, and have the ammo to trade up would be more willing to do so, even at a steeper price. Same applies to Barkley if the Browns dont pick him #1 (doubt they will, the Jets trade forces their hand to take a QB I think). This works out great for the Giants. I wouldnt even entertain an offer till after the Browns pick. Talk to us then.
If anything there actions show they are going to take a QB. Mara knows Eli is almost done that's why he allowed him to be benched last year.
They went out and go a QB guru as their HC.
That QB guru came out and said he wanted an OC whose worked with QBs before. That's exactly what they did when hiring an OC. They went out an got an OC that developed the 1st overall pick from his rookie year through his 7th season. Which he did a damn good job. The QB he developed has a career record of 64-47 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 season. He turned into an MVP and has been to a SB.
The GM who hired those 2 guys specifically stated they didn't want to be in a QB hell and if they don't draft one that is exactly where they will be. They'll have a 39 year old whose on the downside of his career making 23.2 million and a 3rd round pick who couldn't beat out Geno Smith. They don't draft a QB and they'll be in the same boat as the Cardinals or Broncos signing average QBs to a deal worth 20 million a year.
The Giants didn't bring in 2 QB gurus for a 15 year vet whose nearing 40 years old. They did it so they can draft and develop a new franchise QB.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
The other irony is that, we need a qb now because of our current qb, but if we take someone else and keep our current qb then we will win so much that we will never be in a position to pick a an again? Wtf
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Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If anything there actions show they are going to take a QB. Mara knows Eli is almost done that's why he allowed him to be benched last year.
They went out and go a QB guru as their HC.
That QB guru came out and said he wanted an OC whose worked with QBs before. That's exactly what they did when hiring an OC. They went out an got an OC that developed the 1st overall pick from his rookie year through his 7th season. Which he did a damn good job. The QB he developed has a career record of 64-47 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 season. He turned into an MVP and has been to a SB.
The GM who hired those 2 guys specifically stated they didn't want to be in a QB hell and if they don't draft one that is exactly where they will be. They'll have a 39 year old whose on the downside of his career making 23.2 million and a 3rd round pick who couldn't beat out Geno Smith. They don't draft a QB and they'll be in the same boat as the Cardinals or Broncos signing average QBs to a deal worth 20 million a year.
The Giants didn't bring in 2 QB gurus for a 15 year vet whose nearing 40 years old. They did it so they can draft and develop a new franchise QB.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
Obviously they called tbe Bills
What the Bills were offering or could potentially offer wasnt good enough to get to the 3
So it isnt enough to get to the 2
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Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
I don't think it made anything obvious except the fact they think the # 2 is worth more than what the Jets offered.
Maybe they do like one of Barkley/Nelson/Chubb but feel the one they like won't be there at 6. Maybe they feel they could get a lot more to drop to say 5 with Denver.
I don't see how not trading with the Jets is a guarantee the Giants are taking a QB. It's possible they do want one, but passing on that trade doesn't confirm that to me.
No doubt. I'm just talking on the condition DG isn't sold on one of the QBs, and just because others are, doesn't mean he has to be.
Or if DG loves one of them but what if the Browns love the same guy and take him at 1? Does he take a QB he doesn't love just because other teams are falling over themselves for one? I'd hope not.
The fact it seems others are, makes the #2 even more valuable if the Giants aren't sold on a QB or if he's gone at 1. Either way the Jets trade made this pick way more valuable and the Giants are sitting even prettier now IMO.
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Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If anything there actions show they are going to take a QB. Mara knows Eli is almost done that's why he allowed him to be benched last year.
They went out and go a QB guru as their HC.
That QB guru came out and said he wanted an OC whose worked with QBs before. That's exactly what they did when hiring an OC. They went out an got an OC that developed the 1st overall pick from his rookie year through his 7th season. Which he did a damn good job. The QB he developed has a career record of 64-47 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 season. He turned into an MVP and has been to a SB.
The GM who hired those 2 guys specifically stated they didn't want to be in a QB hell and if they don't draft one that is exactly where they will be. They'll have a 39 year old whose on the downside of his career making 23.2 million and a 3rd round pick who couldn't beat out Geno Smith. They don't draft a QB and they'll be in the same boat as the Cardinals or Broncos signing average QBs to a deal worth 20 million a year.
The Giants didn't bring in 2 QB gurus for a 15 year vet whose nearing 40 years old. They did it so they can draft and develop a new franchise QB.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
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Jfc what actions? How can anyone base anything off of what the giants did in FA? So they should not have signed a LT if they were going to draft a qb at 2??? Wtf.
If anything there actions show they are going to take a QB. Mara knows Eli is almost done that's why he allowed him to be benched last year.
They went out and go a QB guru as their HC.
That QB guru came out and said he wanted an OC whose worked with QBs before. That's exactly what they did when hiring an OC. They went out an got an OC that developed the 1st overall pick from his rookie year through his 7th season. Which he did a damn good job. The QB he developed has a career record of 64-47 with 4 playoff appearances in 7 season. He turned into an MVP and has been to a SB.
The GM who hired those 2 guys specifically stated they didn't want to be in a QB hell and if they don't draft one that is exactly where they will be. They'll have a 39 year old whose on the downside of his career making 23.2 million and a 3rd round pick who couldn't beat out Geno Smith. They don't draft a QB and they'll be in the same boat as the Cardinals or Broncos signing average QBs to a deal worth 20 million a year.
The Giants didn't bring in 2 QB gurus for a 15 year vet whose nearing 40 years old. They did it so they can draft and develop a new franchise QB.
If those things didn't make their intentions obvious I think the Jets trade did. If the Giants wanted Barkley/Nelson/Chubb they could have picked up 4 extra picks and still got there man at 6. Instead the Jets has to settle for picking behind us, because obviously we didn't want a QB needy team ahead of us.
Why must "drafting a QB" be part of your "draft and develop" statement? Why can't it to be to just develop the young QB they have on the roster already? Maybe they know Webb IS a franchise QB if taught correctly and they are putting the pieces in place to make that happen.
I'm just throwing it out there.... food for thought.
Maybe they really want a QB or Barkley.
Thats what I think it comes down to. They either really like a quarterback at #2 or they really like Barkley at #2. They are not interested in trading down unless there is an offer they cant refuse. Gettleman is going to be busting some balls in order to give up the #2 pick.
I think this is the likely case. If Cleveland takes who the Giants are targeting, then its Barkley or trade down. I think that QB is Darnold.
This would ensure that the Browns get Darnold and Barkley and the Giants would take Nelson. Then DG would have the top 2 picks in round 2.
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inconsequential. Who cares what he thinks. I think they would have wanted more than 3 - #2s.
Maybe they really want a QB or Barkley.
Thats what I think it comes down to. They either really like a quarterback at #2 or they really like Barkley at #2. They are not interested in trading down unless there is an offer they cant refuse. Gettleman is going to be busting some balls in order to give up the #2 pick.
Exactly right. It would have to be something RIDICULOUS. Like 3 #1s, 3 #2s to SWAP picks this year. That might be what it takes to get Denver to move up. Buffalo might have to give us both ones this year, both 2s, 1st and 2nd next year, 1st and and 3rd in '20 and a player....like Tre'Davious White. I doubt they would ever do that too, but you dont know their desperation. We obviously value this pick big time and are not willing to budge unless its for something ridiculous.
Absolutely agree. You don't trade down and accumulate extra picks, only to have to use those same picks to move up the following year. Look at Buffalo. They bypassed Mahomes and Watson and are now trying to use the first round pick they got by moving down - and other picks - to get up and get a QB. Now, maybe they didn't like Mahomes or Watson, and that's fine. But I have a really, really tough time believing that the Giants do not like any of the four QBs who will go in the top 5 picks.
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It is obvious Giants are going QB at #2. Many don't want to believe that and want a lot of extra picks they can mock with...
Absolutely agree. You don't trade down and accumulate extra picks, only to have to use those same picks to move up the following year. Look at Buffalo. They bypassed Mahomes and Watson and are now trying to use the first round pick they got by moving down - and other picks - to get up and get a QB. Now, maybe they didn't like Mahomes or Watson, and that's fine. But I have a really, really tough time believing that the Giants do not like any of the four QBs who will go in the top 5 picks.
Maybe they do like one but what if he's the same one the Browns like and take at 1? I don't see them going with a QB if they're not really high on him and it's definitely possible they're really only high on one of them.
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we like 1 QB at 2. If he goes 1 all bets are off.
I think this is the likely case. If Cleveland takes who the Giants are targeting, then its Barkley or trade down. I think that QB is Darnold.
It's Rosen. Darnold is not a Giants type qb. Rosen checks all the boxes. I'm sure the Giants have had his Heath cleared. Browns are not taking Rosen.
They either love a QB or made an awful decision.
Or they love Barkley.
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In comment 13871694 Dankbeerman said:
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we like 1 QB at 2. If he goes 1 all bets are off.
I think this is the likely case. If Cleveland takes who the Giants are targeting, then its Barkley or trade down. I think that QB is Darnold.
It's Rosen. Darnold is not a Giants type qb. Rosen checks all the boxes. I'm sure the Giants have had his Heath cleared. Browns are not taking Rosen.
If you are a Giants staffer, I will believe you; otherwise, the last time I recalled, Jerry Reese is is no longer the GM, so how can you say Darnold is not the Giants type?