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What do these trade ups show

Tim in VA : 3/17/2018 4:28 pm
1) The QBs available are really good?
2) There are a high number of QB thirsty teams competing?
3) A combination?

It is the Jets but I'm really surprised they would agree to this deal so early without really knowing who will be available when they're on the clock. Quite the gamble
It’s obvious the Jets like 3 QBs  
UberAlias : 3/17/2018 4:32 pm : link
And believe the deal is worth it for any of the 3.
RE: The early trade up by the Jets  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2018 4:32 pm : link
We don't know the reasoning, but it is possible that Indy was fielding other offers. Indy might have wanted the deal done ahead of time so that they can better plan their draft stategy/board. Indy might have given a deadline to the Jets or Indy was going with the other offers.
Well, the Jets want a QB  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 3/17/2018 4:33 pm : link
but they have no idea who will be there at #3. It's puzzling. Must feel even the #3 QB on their board is worth the price.
Thirsty  
BlueinRoch : 3/17/2018 4:35 pm : link
Personally, I am not sold on any of the QBs coming out. I do think that some teams think that they are just a QB away from being competitive. That doesn't necessarily mean they think they are getting the next Peyton Manning who can single handedly win a game. It may just mean they are looking for the next Joe Flacco, who will be steady enough and make few enough mistakes to take them to the next level. In this draft, I see more Flaccos than Mannings, but to the right team, the average Joe may just be worth trading up for.
RE: Thirsty  
clatterbuck : 3/17/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13871624 BlueinRoch said:
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Personally, I am not sold on any of the QBs coming out. I do think that some teams think that they are just a QB away from being competitive. That doesn't necessarily mean they think they are getting the next Peyton Manning who can single handedly win a game. It may just mean they are looking for the next Joe Flacco, who will be steady enough and make few enough mistakes to take them to the next level. In this draft, I see more Flaccos than Mannings, but to the right team, the average Joe may just be worth trading up for.


I wouldn't pay the price the Jets just did for Joe Flacco.
These QBs carry higher value outside the BBI bubble  
AcesUp : 3/17/2018 4:41 pm : link
That's always been the case. Same thing happened here in 2004. It's natural, QB doesn't bring an immediate boost to your team and missing on one this high has horrible consequences. Fear is a driving factor behind the reluctance. We're also in the nitpicking stage of the pre-draft process where every negative is blown out of proportion. I think it's also compounded by the sentimental attachment to Eli, which I'm not criticizing but it's definitely shaping the opinions of these prospects a little. If you want Eli to be our guy for as long as possible, you're going to cling to the negatives when looking at his potential replacements.

I do think the aggressive actions of the Jets and Bills confirm the outside consensus of the QBs in at least two franchises and probably NFL circles.
Hasn't it..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/17/2018 4:43 pm : link
just been a trade-up? Singular?
I think the Jets  
sharpshooter66 : 3/17/2018 4:45 pm : link
Have their eye on a particular QB and think they might get him at 3. Probably Rosen but who knows
Was counting the  
Tim in VA : 3/17/2018 4:54 pm : link
Buffalo trade
There have been 2 trade ups so far  
ZogZerg : 3/17/2018 4:58 pm : link
Buffalo to 12 and Jets to 3.

It shows you that teams without decent QBs realize how imperative it is to land one and they feel this draft has a number of good choices (in their minds).
It's quite interesting  
Tim in VA : 3/17/2018 5:01 pm : link
Giants should be able to fleece someone if they play their cards right. Or if they love one of these guys...one of the more interesting drafts I can remember from a Giants perspective. 2004 was crazy leading up as well, with gloveone.
AcesUp  
joeinpa : 3/17/2018 5:03 pm : link
Your post is the best, summary written regarding the draft a quarterback question.

You nailed it. Well done!
It is a lot easier  
PaulN : 3/17/2018 5:15 pm : link
To break in a rookie QB in this era, that is so obvious. Even a mediocre QB can do okay these days, look at Dallas. I would not be too concerned over picking a QB these days. The league has made it a lot easier with the new rules.
RE: Thirsty  
DonQuixote : 3/17/2018 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13871624 BlueinRoch said:
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Personally, I am not sold on any of the QBs coming out. I do think that some teams think that they are just a QB away from being competitive. That doesn't necessarily mean they think they are getting the next Peyton Manning who can single handedly win a game. It may just mean they are looking for the next Joe Flacco, who will be steady enough and make few enough mistakes to take them to the next level. In this draft, I see more Flaccos than Mannings, but to the right team, the average Joe may just be worth trading up for.


I like this post but I don't really agree with it; I think there are at least 5 really good QBs in this draft and that is very unusual. I think the top group is outstanding and see the potential for someone outside the first round (Rudolph?) to be a great QB in the league. I know BBI thinks this is not a strong class but I disagree.
'What do these trade ups show'...  
Torrag : 3/17/2018 5:22 pm : link
...it's a very strong QB class.
Buffalo and the Jets  
John In CO : 3/17/2018 5:30 pm : link
showing apparent interest in these QB's makes me like this QB class less than I already do. Buffalo, Cleveland, the Jets all drafting QB's...how can this possibly go well?
I know you don’t move up for a RB  
NikkiMac : 3/17/2018 7:08 pm : link
But imagine if the Jets took Barkley?
It also could be a precursor....  
Milton : 3/17/2018 7:16 pm : link
...to the Jets trading up with Browns for the #1 pick.
RE: It also could be a precursor....  
UConn4523 : 3/17/2018 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13871872 Milton said:
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...to the Jets trading up with Browns for the #1 pick.


They have almost no ammo to do that. Next years first and a bunch of thirds doesn’t do it. Even if it did they’d have no premium picks until 2020.
RE: Well, the Jets want a QB  
Milton : 3/17/2018 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13871620 Bold Ruler said:
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but they have no idea who will be there at #3. It's puzzling. Must feel even the #3 QB on their board is worth the price.
It's also possible that they're intel on the Browns and Giants suggests that the QB they covet will be available with the third pick.
RE: It also could be a precursor....  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2018 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13871872 Milton said:
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...to the Jets trading up with Browns for the #1 pick.


Still might happen. They had explored moving up to 1, but couldn't come to terms. Some say they don't have the draft capital, but they also have given up significant collateral to position themselves in the top 3. If they have similar grades on multiple prospects, then they can settle. But if they have conviction on a player, they will do what is necessary. They have been languishing in QB Hell for too long.
Jets Explored Moving up to #1 - ( New Window )
RE: RE: It also could be a precursor....  
Eman11 : 3/17/2018 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13871889 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13871872 Milton said:


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...to the Jets trading up with Browns for the #1 pick.



Still might happen. They had explored moving up to 1, but couldn't come to terms. Some say they don't have the draft capital, but they also have given up significant collateral to position themselves in the top 3. If they have similar grades on multiple prospects, then they can settle. But if they have conviction on a player, they will do what is necessary. They have been languishing in QB Hell for too long. Jets Explored Moving up to #1 - ( New Window )


Would their next year's #1 be enough to swap picks with the Giants? I'd do it if I were DG and not sold on a QB but would the Jets do it?

I think if they're worried about the Broncos jumping ahead of them to 2, they might. Especially if they have their sights set on one of the QBs and he's still there after the Browns pick at 1.
The GM of Buffalo was Gettlemen's right hand man at Carolina.  
wgenesis123 : 3/17/2018 7:57 pm : link
To trade down with Buffalo DG would have to fleece the Bills. I have to wonder if he will be willing to do that and potentially make him look bad. You really can't drop from 2 to 12 without milking it for everything you can get. I think Buffalo is the best potential trading partner for a big trade. The Giants really need someone like Cleveland, Denver, or even the Jets if they are going to make a move.
....  
Micko : 3/17/2018 8:20 pm : link
How bout we just take a QB so we dont turn into a team that has to move up.
For me, the post trade scenario would be ideal  
Bill L : 3/17/2018 8:22 pm : link
Changing places with the Jets would add without costing anything.
It would be most analogous to Danny Ainge  
Bill L : 3/17/2018 8:23 pm : link
And the Philadelphia trade this year.
RE: RE: RE: It also could be a precursor....  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2018 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13871901 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13871889 Diver_Down said:


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In comment 13871872 Milton said:


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...to the Jets trading up with Browns for the #1 pick.



Still might happen. They had explored moving up to 1, but couldn't come to terms. Some say they don't have the draft capital, but they also have given up significant collateral to position themselves in the top 3. If they have similar grades on multiple prospects, then they can settle. But if they have conviction on a player, they will do what is necessary. They have been languishing in QB Hell for too long. Jets Explored Moving up to #1 - ( New Window )



Would their next year's #1 be enough to swap picks with the Giants? I'd do it if I were DG and not sold on a QB but would the Jets do it?

I think if they're worried about the Broncos jumping ahead of them to 2, they might. Especially if they have their sights set on one of the QBs and he's still there after the Browns pick at 1.


If the Giants are set on not taking a QB, their options are to stand pat and take Barkley or trade down. Trade down with Buff. for a bounty, but no blue chip talent? Trade down with Denver? Trade down with Jets? Even though the bounty option might be tempting to fill a roster with rookies, you can sense that Dave has given clues that run counter to such an effort. In FA, we saw that he values experience. Besides the obvious upgrade at talent, there is also the intangibles of veteran leadership. With the suspensions last year and the overall dumpster fire, he sees a void in leadership. Doesn't sound like he wants to load up on rookies while missing out on the blue chip talent. Now, he could consider trading with Denver or the Jets. In this case, falling back on what Dave said in "not getting cute", I think he would be thrilled to pick up a #1 next year while still getting Barkley.

The other side of the trade scenario is approaching it from the point of view of the Jets. The Jets GM recently along with Bowles got an extension, but it is only 2 years (hardly a significant commitment). The realization is that the franchise has been languishing in QB Hell for far too long. If the most important position on the field isn't fixed, the GM and Bowles won't have a job. He has made a commitment so far in positioning themselves to pick a QB. It still might not be enough to get their guy without having to settle for third best. If he finds an answer to the Jets’ half-century-old problem, nobody will care about what he traded away. If he whiffs, he won’t care about the compensation, because he’ll be fired.
RE: These QBs carry higher value outside the BBI bubble  
FStubbs : 3/17/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13871646 AcesUp said:
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That's always been the case. Same thing happened here in 2004. It's natural, QB doesn't bring an immediate boost to your team and missing on one this high has horrible consequences. Fear is a driving factor behind the reluctance. We're also in the nitpicking stage of the pre-draft process where every negative is blown out of proportion. I think it's also compounded by the sentimental attachment to Eli, which I'm not criticizing but it's definitely shaping the opinions of these prospects a little. If you want Eli to be our guy for as long as possible, you're going to cling to the negatives when looking at his potential replacements.

I do think the aggressive actions of the Jets and Bills confirm the outside consensus of the QBs in at least two franchises and probably NFL circles.


It's not as horrible as it used to be. Exhibit A would be the Deadskins who - at least until Snyder screwed it up - had recovered from the RG3 bust.
One thing they show  
santacruzom : 3/17/2018 9:44 pm : link
Is how much flexibility and maneuverability multiple picks in the first two rounds can grant you.
Crazy the Jets signed both McCown and Bridgewater  
FranknWeezer : 3/17/2018 11:40 pm : link
And are about to take a top 3 QB. When last year they had Pettey, McCown and Hackenberg all on their roster. Those guys are showing what QB desperation looks like.
Colts fucked up. They got shit in the trade.  
Boy Cord : 3/18/2018 12:29 am : link
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