Has all the tools, work ethic, smarts and the perfect coaches to work with. Lets trade down, fill a bunch of holes and trust Shurmur to design an offense to suit the kids skills. It’s amazing how Keenum became really good under Shurmur......
and feel he is the future than its good to trade back and get extra They could also add to the QB situation as well. Like the Redskins did with Cousins. If the Giants like a QB and feel Webb is not the guy than yes by all means pick one.
Eli is very likely to start all of the games this year at least until the Giants are out contention for the playoffs. If the Giants go with Webb next year they only control his contract for 2 years as a starter. If the Giants pick a QB this year they have that player under contract for 4 years as a starter before they have to start using 20-30 million per year in cap space for the QB position.
Eli is very likely to start all of the games this year at least until the Giants are out contention for the playoffs. If the Giants go with Webb next year they only control his contract for 2 years as a starter. If the Giants pick a QB this year they have that player under contract for 4 years as a starter before they have to start using 20-30 million per year in cap space for the QB position.
Yep. I have been banging that drum for awhile. Having a QB on a rookie contract with Beckham getting a huge deal allows them cap flexibility to still build a quality team around them.
I've seen this said on here a few times, but that would have been a low rent move to force thay on Spags. Spags was auditioning at that point and that would have been completely unfair to him.
And even hypothetically if Spags wanted to go with any of the QBs, but was forced to play Manning, thay would be bullshit too.
One—- even if Webb played 2-3 games last year we still wouldn’t know enough today whether he’s the long term answer at qb and let’s be honest, 2017 was worst place to evaluate anything. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.
Two —He was a late round pick taken by a prior regime! He’s not factoring in to any decision at pick 2 nor should he be a factor. He’s likely being looked at as “gravy.”
So Webb plays week 14-15 last year and goes 36-70 for 460 yards and 2-2 Td int. Ok... great... still ignoring darnold or rosen or Allen? Fuck no.
I’m sick of Davis Webb. It’s ridiculous at this point.
round pick is not late. If the kid sucked and was rattled than at least we have something. If the kid moved around and threw strikes and had the fire your looking for its more than we have now. Mahomes was picked right before him and KC is starting him next year. He did not play a down. So it can happen.That said again if the Giants have a QB they love hell yes take one. If not and they like Webb trade back unless they want Barkley. Its that simple.
round pick is not late. If the kid sucked and was rattled than at least we have something. If the kid moved around and threw strikes and had the fire your looking for its more than we have now. Mahomes was picked right before him and KC is starting him next year. He did not play a down. So it can happen.That said again if the Giants have a QB they love hell yes take one. If not and they like Webb trade back unless they want Barkley. Its that simple.
Mahomes waas a high first rd pick
If Eli hade not become a cry baby when they sat him and Â
offerred him to play part of the Oakland, then Webb would have seen some action...What I don't understand is why didn't John Mara command Spags to play Webb at least the last two games or three games, seeing Spags obviouly was not going to be the next coach???
Webb will be at least as good as any of this years QBs ... with the 3 picks this year from the jests, we could have gotten Nelson, Michel (or an equivalent back) plus another lineman. Throw in our 2 round pick for a defensive player and it would have been a great start for the future.
I don't find those college highlight reels all that useful. Â
They always show lots and lots of TD passes but most of those plays won't be there in the pros. They don't show a lot of the throws into tiny windows that I think you need to see in a pro prospect. So they tell you he was great for his team but they don't tell you he'll be great at the next level.
That said: I'm not enough of a QB expert to exactly say why, but something about Webb really, REALLY reminds me of Kerry Collins. (I believe Eric has said the same thing.) Maybe the release. I'd be happy to follow Eli with a QB as good as Collins or better. Collins was often very very good. Not as tough against the rush as Eli but very very good when he felt safe in the pocket. And Webb seems like a better guy than Collins was early in his career, so that's good.
For this reel, it's clear Webb's got a strong arm and nice touch, and he's not afraid of contact. Also good.
You think it more likely we get a 2nd round pick with Brees quality or SMith qulaity?
You're willingnes to gamble imo is wrong. It's reckless.
What makes you think any of these guys are better than Webb? Not one of them has stood out as the best or second best guy of the bunch. There is no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck caliber player in terms of obvious picks in this bunch.
You think it more likely we get a 2nd round pick with Brees quality or SMith qulaity?
You're willingnes to gamble imo is wrong. It's reckless.
What makes you think any of these guys are better than Webb? Not one of them has stood out as the best or second best guy of the bunch. There is no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck caliber player in terms of obvious picks in this bunch.
All of football passed on davis webb for two full rounds. It's just a bad comparison.
Has all the tools, work ethic, smarts and the perfect coaches to work with. Lets trade down, fill a bunch of holes and trust Shurmur to design an offense to suit the kids skills. It’s amazing how Keenum became really good under Shurmur......
SO how much have you seen Webb play vs pro competition? SO because the Giants have a coach you automatically believe everything he touches turn to gold while the other teams turns to crap?
You think it more likely we get a 2nd round pick with Brees quality or SMith qulaity?
You're willingnes to gamble imo is wrong. It's reckless.
What makes you think any of these guys are better than Webb? Not one of them has stood out as the best or second best guy of the bunch. There is no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck caliber player in terms of obvious picks in this bunch.
3rd round pick vs best rated QB's in the draft.
DO I know for sure? No.
RE: I don't find those college highlight reels all that useful. Â
They always show lots and lots of TD passes but most of those plays won't be there in the pros. They don't show a lot of the throws into tiny windows that I think you need to see in a pro prospect. So they tell you he was great for his team but they don't tell you he'll be great at the next level.
That said: I'm not enough of a QB expert to exactly say why, but something about Webb really, REALLY reminds me of Kerry Collins. (I believe Eric has said the same thing.) Maybe the release. I'd be happy to follow Eli with a QB as good as Collins or better. Collins was often very very good. Not as tough against the rush as Eli but very very good when he felt safe in the pocket. And Webb seems like a better guy than Collins was early in his career, so that's good.
For this reel, it's clear Webb's got a strong arm and nice touch, and he's not afraid of contact. Also good.
round pick is not late. If the kid sucked and was rattled than at least we have something. If the kid moved around and threw strikes and had the fire your looking for its more than we have now. Mahomes was picked right before him and KC is starting him next year. He did not play a down. So it can happen.That said again if the Giants have a QB they love hell yes take one. If not and they like Webb trade back unless they want Barkley. Its that simple.
This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
What a weird place to suddenly have faith in jerry reese Â
This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
You are an expert scout? You're being a huge fan of a player makes you an expert?
Point 2-- so it's as easy as the Eagles did. Just simply trade up? You realize the Eagles simultaeously were able ot trade Bradofrd and get picks back, right?
SO what do you propose int he future for the Giants to so easily move up and get a top QB?
I'll just say you might be right-- but there is no reason to believe you. Juts going with odds. Odds are a qb taken top 2 or so in the draft probably will be better than a 3rd round pick. Just because you slept in a Holiday Inn doesn't make it comforting for most of us.
A GM's job is ot be right. The "Ohh well we'll get em next time" will be enough for the media to start pushing for the GM ot be fired if he blows this. We see how ownership reacts to the media.
That's it. Most 3rd round picks are speculative regardless of position, just look at past drafts, now multiply by that by a factor of whatever for QBs because it gets even more dicey. I actually liked the pick when we took him, mostly because I didn't think we'd ever be in a position to draft a real prospect...but last year happened. We are now.
I'm not saying they have to draft a QB, but the evaluation should start at that position and Webb shouldn't be a factor. If he were a factor, he wouldn't have been passed over multiple times by every franchise in the NFL, including the Giants. Bottom line is that he's not a prospect that precludes you from bringing in a better prospect.
You can want a QB or not, and most people here have their minds Â
made up already, but I don't buy the thread that the Giants are still clueless about Webb. I think by now they have an educated guess on Webbs potential. The guy has played with NFL players in practice for a year now, and also played in a few preseason games. Is it a huge sample size, of course not, but it is a lot more than they really know about a college senior. My point is that by now the Giants should have some kind of opinion on him, and that opinion will lead them either to a QB at #2 or away from one. After a year of practicing I don't think its correct to say Webb is this huge unknown like a draft pick is. They have seen him against NFL talent for a while now.
This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
You are an expert scout? You're being a huge fan of a player makes you an expert?
Point 2-- so it's as easy as the Eagles did. Just simply trade up? You realize the Eagles simultaeously were able ot trade Bradofrd and get picks back, right?
SO what do you propose int he future for the Giants to so easily move up and get a top QB?
I'll just say you might be right-- but there is no reason to believe you. Juts going with odds. Odds are a qb taken top 2 or so in the draft probably will be better than a 3rd round pick. Just because you slept in a Holiday Inn doesn't make it comforting for most of us.
A GM's job is ot be right. The "Ohh well we'll get em next time" will be enough for the media to start pushing for the GM ot be fired if he blows this. We see how ownership reacts to the media.
No, not an expert but not throwing darts. Having watch all 22s extensively on him, I feel he has the tools to be pretty good. I don't by that he was a third rounder shit. The Giants have some sort of an idea on him...after this year he will have 2 years in an NFL program...at that point we can decide on who to go with at QB. If the QBs this year aren't viewed as being worth it you take Barkley and don't look back
This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
Eli gets to decide if we're keeping him or not. It's not the Giants call to make. And if even if it was an option, his contract is impossible to move. Eli isn't the factor here.
And the head coach is going to have his hands full in the first year of taking over a new team and installing his offense. I doubt very strongly that there's going to be time for Davis Webb to do anything when the priority will be making sure Eli and everyone else knows what he should be doing in a completely new offense.
This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
You are an expert scout? You're being a huge fan of a player makes you an expert?
Point 2-- so it's as easy as the Eagles did. Just simply trade up? You realize the Eagles simultaeously were able ot trade Bradofrd and get picks back, right?
SO what do you propose int he future for the Giants to so easily move up and get a top QB?
I'll just say you might be right-- but there is no reason to believe you. Juts going with odds. Odds are a qb taken top 2 or so in the draft probably will be better than a 3rd round pick. Just because you slept in a Holiday Inn doesn't make it comforting for most of us.
A GM's job is ot be right. The "Ohh well we'll get em next time" will be enough for the media to start pushing for the GM ot be fired if he blows this. We see how ownership reacts to the media.
No, not an expert but not throwing darts. Having watch all 22s extensively on him, I feel he has the tools to be pretty good. I don't by that he was a third rounder shit. The Giants have some sort of an idea on him...after this year he will have 2 years in an NFL program...at that point we can decide on who to go with at QB. If the QBs this year aren't viewed as being worth it you take Barkley and don't look back
I'm sorry I don't mean to sound offensive but while I don't completely buy the 3rd round shit vs the top of the draft shit-- I do buy it more than trusting an unknown poster such as yourself and claim that he watched the guy extensively and is somehow "in the know."
And further your cavalier attitude of "wait 2 years then just trade up" I find so over-the-top I just feel there is no reason to believe anything you say. What you're suggesting is that the Giants over the past 2 years have invested so much in trying to win now -- and yet if it all fails "just overpay in the draft." If it was that easy every team would do it. ANd secondly, what do you tell all the players while you tried to build a winner for today? That you trusted EVERYTHING on an unknown QB?
I just think it much more likely you are feeling bravado because you slept in a Holiday Inn recently. Frankly, I would love it if you were right. If Webb was really good, we'd be sitting awesome.,
One—- even if Webb played 2-3 games last year we still wouldn’t know enough today whether he’s the long term answer at qb and let’s be honest, 2017 was worst place to evaluate anything. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.
Two —He was a late round pick taken by a prior regime! He’s not factoring in to any decision at pick 2 nor should he be a factor. He’s likely being looked at as “gravy.”
So Webb plays week 14-15 last year and goes 36-70 for 460 yards and 2-2 Td int. Ok... great... still ignoring darnold or rosen or Allen? Fuck no.
I’m sick of Davis Webb. It’s ridiculous at this point.
And I'm sick of these 4 QBs that won't be any better than Webb!
Can you shoot me a link to the Davis Webb 2016 all 22 film? I've been commenting on Webb lately but admittedly haven't done my homework yet.
I watch through college film database (work for a D1 school)
So can't really send you a link but as mentioned I've watched him extensively.
Again, this guy who counters my point acts like I'm hitching the wagon to Webb and saying it's 100% fact he will be the future. I'm not. While I do believe he has the tools I just think drafting a QB at 2 isn't the right move if they don't feel there is one worthy. Barkley is as good a prospect as it gets as is Nelson. You go BPA in the draft to stockpile talent. All these qbs have serious blemishes so my thought is to go BPA and give Eli a chance to win now all while evaluating Webb...
Cons:
- issues with mechanics
- decision making
- deep accuracy
- forces throws
- struggles at times reading defenses
- concerning number of his throws travel under 10 yards
- Reese 3rd round pick
What concerns me most about Webb is that he works as hard as anyone and is the son of a coach yet he still has issues with his mechanics and struggles at reading defenses. He has a big arm yet the majority of this throws in college were under 10 yards.
Cons:
- issues with mechanics
- decision making
- deep accuracy
- forces throws
- struggles at times reading defenses
- concerning number of his throws travel under 10 yards
- Reese 3rd round pick
What concerns me most about Webb is that he works as hard as anyone and is the son of a coach yet he still has issues with his mechanics and struggles at reading defenses. He has a big arm yet the majority of this throws in college were under 10 yards.
Your making uneducated assumptions now about Webb. You haven't seen him so how do you know he has issues reading defenses and with mechanics? You are just supporting your position against sticking with him. The only people who know if this is true, or not, are DG and the coaches. They have seen enough over the past year to make an educated assumption on Webb, and that WILL affect our draft strategy. It has too.
RE: You can want a QB or not, and most people here have their minds Â
made up already, but I don't buy the thread that the Giants are still clueless about Webb. I think by now they have an educated guess on Webbs potential. The guy has played with NFL players in practice for a year now, and also played in a few preseason games. Is it a huge sample size, of course not, but it is a lot more than they really know about a college senior. My point is that by now the Giants should have some kind of opinion on him, and that opinion will lead them either to a QB at #2 or away from one. After a year of practicing I don't think its correct to say Webb is this huge unknown like a draft pick is. They have seen him against NFL talent for a while now.
and this is why I think they'll take the QB in Rd 1. He would have played. Unless ofc the owner is completely gutless. Which I suppose is possible but highly doubtful. You can have an idea but don't kid yourself, only game action will really show what he is.
He was drafted in the 3rd RD in what was considered a poor year for QBs.
Keep him on the team and give him a chance to prove the experts wrong...Absolutely!
Gamble the team's future that he's THE guy by passing on a QB at 2? You've got to be kidding!
I totally agree, Jim. Webb + another QB prospect turns up the odds of getting a real good one. To me, it's the most important position in the NFL by far.
Having Shurmur is a real plus.
DG must get this right.
What if he isn't what you think he is and you traded down and didn't get a quality QB?
You know that Geno Smith was a 2nd round pick, right?
Yeah.
You think it more likely we get a 2nd round pick with Brees quality or SMith qulaity?
You're willingnes to gamble imo is wrong. It's reckless.
Yep. I have been banging that drum for awhile. Having a QB on a rookie contract with Beckham getting a huge deal allows them cap flexibility to still build a quality team around them.
I've seen this said on here a few times, but that would have been a low rent move to force thay on Spags. Spags was auditioning at that point and that would have been completely unfair to him.
And even hypothetically if Spags wanted to go with any of the QBs, but was forced to play Manning, thay would be bullshit too.
Two —He was a late round pick taken by a prior regime! He’s not factoring in to any decision at pick 2 nor should he be a factor. He’s likely being looked at as “gravy.”
So Webb plays week 14-15 last year and goes 36-70 for 460 yards and 2-2 Td int. Ok... great... still ignoring darnold or rosen or Allen? Fuck no.
I’m sick of Davis Webb. It’s ridiculous at this point.
Mahomes waas a high first rd pick
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
That said: I'm not enough of a QB expert to exactly say why, but something about Webb really, REALLY reminds me of Kerry Collins. (I believe Eric has said the same thing.) Maybe the release. I'd be happy to follow Eli with a QB as good as Collins or better. Collins was often very very good. Not as tough against the rush as Eli but very very good when he felt safe in the pocket. And Webb seems like a better guy than Collins was early in his career, so that's good.
For this reel, it's clear Webb's got a strong arm and nice touch, and he's not afraid of contact. Also good.
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so was Drew Brees.
Yeah.
You think it more likely we get a 2nd round pick with Brees quality or SMith qulaity?
You're willingnes to gamble imo is wrong. It's reckless.
What makes you think any of these guys are better than Webb? Not one of them has stood out as the best or second best guy of the bunch. There is no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck caliber player in terms of obvious picks in this bunch.
He was drafted in the 3rd RD in what was considered a poor year for QBs.
Keep him on the team and give him a chance to prove the experts wrong...Absolutely!
Gamble the team's future that he's THE guy by passing on a QB at 2? You've got to be kidding!
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so was Drew Brees.
Yeah.
You think it more likely we get a 2nd round pick with Brees quality or SMith qulaity?
You're willingnes to gamble imo is wrong. It's reckless.
What makes you think any of these guys are better than Webb? Not one of them has stood out as the best or second best guy of the bunch. There is no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck caliber player in terms of obvious picks in this bunch.
All of football passed on davis webb for two full rounds. It's just a bad comparison.
SO how much have you seen Webb play vs pro competition? SO because the Giants have a coach you automatically believe everything he touches turn to gold while the other teams turns to crap?
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so was Drew Brees.
Yeah.
You think it more likely we get a 2nd round pick with Brees quality or SMith qulaity?
You're willingnes to gamble imo is wrong. It's reckless.
What makes you think any of these guys are better than Webb? Not one of them has stood out as the best or second best guy of the bunch. There is no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck caliber player in terms of obvious picks in this bunch.
3rd round pick vs best rated QB's in the draft.
DO I know for sure? No.
That said: I'm not enough of a QB expert to exactly say why, but something about Webb really, REALLY reminds me of Kerry Collins. (I believe Eric has said the same thing.) Maybe the release. I'd be happy to follow Eli with a QB as good as Collins or better. Collins was often very very good. Not as tough against the rush as Eli but very very good when he felt safe in the pocket. And Webb seems like a better guy than Collins was early in his career, so that's good.
For this reel, it's clear Webb's got a strong arm and nice touch, and he's not afraid of contact. Also good.
You mean like the very first play in this clip?
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round pick is not late. If the kid sucked and was rattled than at least we have something. If the kid moved around and threw strikes and had the fire your looking for its more than we have now. Mahomes was picked right before him and KC is starting him next year. He did not play a down. So it can happen.That said again if the Giants have a QB they love hell yes take one. If not and they like Webb trade back unless they want Barkley. Its that simple.
Mahomes waas a high first rd pick
Brady was a 6th round pick ....?
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
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This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
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This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
You are an expert scout? You're being a huge fan of a player makes you an expert?
Point 2-- so it's as easy as the Eagles did. Just simply trade up? You realize the Eagles simultaeously were able ot trade Bradofrd and get picks back, right?
SO what do you propose int he future for the Giants to so easily move up and get a top QB?
https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/Bolt/Eagles-received-an-excellent-return-for-Sam-Bradford-109746264
I'll just say you might be right-- but there is no reason to believe you. Juts going with odds. Odds are a qb taken top 2 or so in the draft probably will be better than a 3rd round pick. Just because you slept in a Holiday Inn doesn't make it comforting for most of us.
A GM's job is ot be right. The "Ohh well we'll get em next time" will be enough for the media to start pushing for the GM ot be fired if he blows this. We see how ownership reacts to the media.
I'm not saying they have to draft a QB, but the evaluation should start at that position and Webb shouldn't be a factor. If he were a factor, he wouldn't have been passed over multiple times by every franchise in the NFL, including the Giants. Bottom line is that he's not a prospect that precludes you from bringing in a better prospect.
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This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
You are an expert scout? You're being a huge fan of a player makes you an expert?
Point 2-- so it's as easy as the Eagles did. Just simply trade up? You realize the Eagles simultaeously were able ot trade Bradofrd and get picks back, right?
SO what do you propose int he future for the Giants to so easily move up and get a top QB?
https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/Bolt/Eagles-received-an-excellent-return-for-Sam-Bradford-109746264
I'll just say you might be right-- but there is no reason to believe you. Juts going with odds. Odds are a qb taken top 2 or so in the draft probably will be better than a 3rd round pick. Just because you slept in a Holiday Inn doesn't make it comforting for most of us.
A GM's job is ot be right. The "Ohh well we'll get em next time" will be enough for the media to start pushing for the GM ot be fired if he blows this. We see how ownership reacts to the media.
No, not an expert but not throwing darts. Having watch all 22s extensively on him, I feel he has the tools to be pretty good. I don't by that he was a third rounder shit. The Giants have some sort of an idea on him...after this year he will have 2 years in an NFL program...at that point we can decide on who to go with at QB. If the QBs this year aren't viewed as being worth it you take Barkley and don't look back
1) Didn't start at all last year, even when Mc(Name withheld) was going to lose his job over the qb position.
2) Was selected by Jerry Reach.
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This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
Eli gets to decide if we're keeping him or not. It's not the Giants call to make. And if even if it was an option, his contract is impossible to move. Eli isn't the factor here.
And the head coach is going to have his hands full in the first year of taking over a new team and installing his offense. I doubt very strongly that there's going to be time for Davis Webb to do anything when the priority will be making sure Eli and everyone else knows what he should be doing in a completely new offense.
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This board is going to eat alot of crow when they find out Webb is our future lol.
JR did at least that right.
He has such a strong arm and some of those passes show tremendous touch.
Barkley at 2 baby
Webb may very well be pretty good. But this board won't eat a lot of crow. Just because you make a wild guess and might be right doesn't mean the others are wrong. It just possibly meant you closed your eyes threw a dart and it stuck on the board. That doesn't make you anything other than lucky.
I think your opinion of Webb is similar to closing your eyes and throwing the dart.
not at all...i was a HUGE fan of webb before the draft even took place. he is a good arm talent and felt his skillset would translate. its not a dart at dart board. its we have a young QB we spent a strong assest on. lets allow our QB guru coach to eval him a year and go from there....otherwise why keep eli? if we arent win now, draft a QB and look to deal eli. if you want to compete next year take barkley and give PS a year of eval. if webb isnt the guy in his mind after 2 years in NFL program, trade next year to move up ala Eagles
You are an expert scout? You're being a huge fan of a player makes you an expert?
Point 2-- so it's as easy as the Eagles did. Just simply trade up? You realize the Eagles simultaeously were able ot trade Bradofrd and get picks back, right?
SO what do you propose int he future for the Giants to so easily move up and get a top QB?
https://247sports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/Bolt/Eagles-received-an-excellent-return-for-Sam-Bradford-109746264
I'll just say you might be right-- but there is no reason to believe you. Juts going with odds. Odds are a qb taken top 2 or so in the draft probably will be better than a 3rd round pick. Just because you slept in a Holiday Inn doesn't make it comforting for most of us.
A GM's job is ot be right. The "Ohh well we'll get em next time" will be enough for the media to start pushing for the GM ot be fired if he blows this. We see how ownership reacts to the media.
No, not an expert but not throwing darts. Having watch all 22s extensively on him, I feel he has the tools to be pretty good. I don't by that he was a third rounder shit. The Giants have some sort of an idea on him...after this year he will have 2 years in an NFL program...at that point we can decide on who to go with at QB. If the QBs this year aren't viewed as being worth it you take Barkley and don't look back
I'm sorry I don't mean to sound offensive but while I don't completely buy the 3rd round shit vs the top of the draft shit-- I do buy it more than trusting an unknown poster such as yourself and claim that he watched the guy extensively and is somehow "in the know."
And further your cavalier attitude of "wait 2 years then just trade up" I find so over-the-top I just feel there is no reason to believe anything you say. What you're suggesting is that the Giants over the past 2 years have invested so much in trying to win now -- and yet if it all fails "just overpay in the draft." If it was that easy every team would do it. ANd secondly, what do you tell all the players while you tried to build a winner for today? That you trusted EVERYTHING on an unknown QB?
I just think it much more likely you are feeling bravado because you slept in a Holiday Inn recently. Frankly, I would love it if you were right. If Webb was really good, we'd be sitting awesome.,
Funny how that works...
Two —He was a late round pick taken by a prior regime! He’s not factoring in to any decision at pick 2 nor should he be a factor. He’s likely being looked at as “gravy.”
So Webb plays week 14-15 last year and goes 36-70 for 460 yards and 2-2 Td int. Ok... great... still ignoring darnold or rosen or Allen? Fuck no.
I’m sick of Davis Webb. It’s ridiculous at this point.
And I'm sick of these 4 QBs that won't be any better than Webb!
I watch through college film database (work for a D1 school)
So can't really send you a link but as mentioned I've watched him extensively.
Again, this guy who counters my point acts like I'm hitching the wagon to Webb and saying it's 100% fact he will be the future. I'm not. While I do believe he has the tools I just think drafting a QB at 2 isn't the right move if they don't feel there is one worthy. Barkley is as good a prospect as it gets as is Nelson. You go BPA in the draft to stockpile talent. All these qbs have serious blemishes so my thought is to go BPA and give Eli a chance to win now all while evaluating Webb...
- hard worker
- leader
- strong arm
Cons:
- issues with mechanics
- decision making
- deep accuracy
- forces throws
- struggles at times reading defenses
- concerning number of his throws travel under 10 yards
- Reese 3rd round pick
What concerns me most about Webb is that he works as hard as anyone and is the son of a coach yet he still has issues with his mechanics and struggles at reading defenses. He has a big arm yet the majority of this throws in college were under 10 yards.
- hard worker
- leader
- strong arm
Cons:
- issues with mechanics
- decision making
- deep accuracy
- forces throws
- struggles at times reading defenses
- concerning number of his throws travel under 10 yards
- Reese 3rd round pick
What concerns me most about Webb is that he works as hard as anyone and is the son of a coach yet he still has issues with his mechanics and struggles at reading defenses. He has a big arm yet the majority of this throws in college were under 10 yards.
Your making uneducated assumptions now about Webb. You haven't seen him so how do you know he has issues reading defenses and with mechanics? You are just supporting your position against sticking with him. The only people who know if this is true, or not, are DG and the coaches. They have seen enough over the past year to make an educated assumption on Webb, and that WILL affect our draft strategy. It has too.
and this is why I think they'll take the QB in Rd 1. He would have played. Unless ofc the owner is completely gutless. Which I suppose is possible but highly doubtful. You can have an idea but don't kid yourself, only game action will really show what he is.
He was drafted in the 3rd RD in what was considered a poor year for QBs.
Keep him on the team and give him a chance to prove the experts wrong...Absolutely!
Gamble the team's future that he's THE guy by passing on a QB at 2? You've got to be kidding!
I totally agree, Jim. Webb + another QB prospect turns up the odds of getting a real good one. To me, it's the most important position in the NFL by far.
Having Shurmur is a real plus.
DG must get this right.