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Is the 2nd pick as simple

brunswick : 3/17/2018 5:32 pm
As whether or not the Gmen like Davis Webb?
Yes  
Fast Eddie : 3/17/2018 5:36 pm : link
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Yes and no  
BleedBlue : 3/17/2018 5:37 pm : link
If Giants want Nelson they should look to broncos and move back to 5. Still a chance albeit small of Barkley being there but Nelson will be.

If they want Barkley stay at 2 and take him.

If they want any of QBs stay at 2 and take em.

I think Webb should be evaled for a year by shurmur so I'm a fan of getting a ton of picks and take Nelson at 5 or Barkley at 2
That certainly is a very big factor  
Ira : 3/17/2018 5:37 pm : link
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No.  
djm : 3/17/2018 5:40 pm : link
Why are people being so weird with this shit? Ok fine they don’t like or know Webb. Ok. So...... what if they also don’t like the qbs in the draft? Would their lack or faith in Webb force the giants to draft a qb they don’t even like? It better not!

RE: Yes and no  
larryflower37 : 3/17/2018 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13871744 BleedBlue said:
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If Giants want Nelson they should look to broncos and move back to 5. Still a chance albeit small of Barkley being there but Nelson will be.

If they want Barkley stay at 2 and take him.

If they want any of QBs stay at 2 and take em.

I think Webb should be evaled for a year by shurmur so I'm a fan of getting a ton of picks and take Nelson at 5 or Barkley at 2


Broncos are not moving up after signing Keenum. The only team with the picks to move up to 2 is Buffalo.
Giants are going to stay at 2 and Draft BPA.
When you’re drafting or rounding out your board  
djm : 3/17/2018 5:46 pm : link
You scout the players and grade them. Then you draft them based on the grades given along with your needs. You don’t draft soley on need but it’s a factor.

Of course the giants would feel differently about this draft is they were convinced Davis webb is the goods. But there’s no way in hell they feel that way about a late 3rd round qb with little Nfl experience drafted by a prior disgraced regime.

Webb is a slight factor as he could play a part in future thinking but as of now he’s nothing more than a shot in the dark.

I don’t believe so  
Saos1n : 3/17/2018 5:49 pm : link
I do think it’s as simple as, ‘is there a QB that will be available at 2 that will be my franchise QB for the next 15 years’....

If the answer is no, you make a damned good effort to act as if there is and let another team give you the farm to answer that very question for themselves...

That’s it
The problem with "liking Davis Webb" is like him based on what?  
BillT : 3/17/2018 5:51 pm : link
The college film that made him a 3rd round pick and some practice film. Seems a bit light to commit to him as the future but it's possible.
So  
Fast Eddie : 3/17/2018 5:53 pm : link
You guys don’t think Shurmur can get a feel for Webbs potential on April 9 and going forward? They will have plenty of time together.
I think its as simple as  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2018 5:55 pm : link
how much they like Darnold or Rosen...
Well  
mdthedream : 3/17/2018 6:02 pm : link
I think they can go into and see at the combines and camps if they are better than Webb know or not and make a judgement. If Webb is looking really good I think it counts for something. Kid works hard and is a film rat than who knows maybe it makes the difference.
Webb  
Mr. Nickels : 3/17/2018 6:05 pm : link
has nothing at all to do with the pick
Umm  
mdthedream : 3/17/2018 6:11 pm : link
he might if they think he is better than the guys on the board or if they like Barkley and say we already have the QB of the future.
RE: Webb  
Eman11 : 3/17/2018 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13871794 Mr. Nickels said:
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has nothing at all to do with the pick


Sorry but I don't see how you or anyone else can say that with such certainty. How would you know if you aren't in the inner workings of the team?

It's might be a slim chance but there is a chance they're high on Webb, and if so it would certainly play into their draft plans, and I think the opposite is true as well. If they don't have any plans for Webb, I think it makes taking a QB an even stronger possibility.

To say he has nothing "at all" to do with it is off base IMO.
It plays a factor  
giantsFC : 3/17/2018 6:24 pm : link
If he looks great then drafting Barkley or whomever at 2, or trading down will be a whole lot easier to decide by Gettleman.
I highly doubt Webb is a factor  
Rudy5757 : 3/17/2018 6:38 pm : link
He was drafted by Reese. If I am DG I am not putting my eggs in that basket. I evaluate the kids coming out and if I feel they are worthy of the pick I drat them. If Reese was still here I think it would play a factor but not with DG.

If DG passes on one of these guys and they turn into Tom Brady and we go with Webb and he flops we will be in QB hell. Another team looking for a QB, you have a chance to get a QB you take take him everytime. If he doesnt feel like they are good enough they dont.
RE: RE: Yes and no  
MOOPS : 3/17/2018 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13871761 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 13871744 BleedBlue said:


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If Giants want Nelson they should look to broncos and move back to 5. Still a chance albeit small of Barkley being there but Nelson will be.

If they want Barkley stay at 2 and take him.

If they want any of QBs stay at 2 and take em.

I think Webb should be evaled for a year by shurmur so I'm a fan of getting a ton of picks and take Nelson at 5 or Barkley at 2



Broncos are not moving up after signing Keenum. The only team with the picks to move up to 2 is Buffalo.
Giants are going to stay at 2 and Draft BPA.


Keenum is a bridge. A two year contract that they could potentially jettison after one (with $10 dead money). His signing does not prevent the Broncos from moving up in the draft if they want a particular QB and can ante up requisite bounty for that player. Their only potential trading partner is the Giants.
They probably like Mayfield though  
rasbutant : 3/17/2018 8:02 pm : link
Giants need to start rumors about likely all the QB.
Even if they loooove Webb ...  
short lease : 3/17/2018 8:56 pm : link
they can still take a QB (who they also love) and develop both of them. Then trade Webb to San Fran (or another team) for a high draft pick like N.E. did with Garapolo(sp?).

If they do love Webb though .... I think it is a good year to trade down for a nice haul of picks.

We will see.
It’s as simple as  
WillVAB : 3/17/2018 10:13 pm : link
Do they like two QBs equally worthy of 2 overall? If so then you take the QB available at 2. If not you trade down.

Personally I’d trade down.
What if Giants take Rosen #2, keep Webb, and trade Eli?  
SGMen : 3/17/2018 10:24 pm : link
Eli's salary would need to be renegotiated along with his clause of No Trade I guess.

Nah, won't happen. But I think Rosen is the best player in this draft with Barkley his side-kick. :)
RE: Webb has nothing at all to do with the pick  
Trainmaster : 3/17/2018 10:56 pm : link
I basically agree. I think it's about: 1A) What the Giants think about Eli and how many seasons he can be productive, 1B) What the Giants think about the 2018 QBs and 3) What the Giants guess the ceiling is for Webb.
No matter who they want they should trade down  
Azul Grande : 3/18/2018 3:55 pm : link
History clearly tells us that trading down is a much much better strategy. Stat guys say trading down all the time is worth 1-2 wins per season, and I would love al those extra playoff appearances and bye weeks
RE: Even if they loooove Webb ...  
PatersonPlank : 3/18/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13871986 short lease said:
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they can still take a QB (who they also love) and develop both of them. Then trade Webb to San Fran (or another team) for a high draft pick like N.E. did with Garapolo(sp?).

If they do love Webb though .... I think it is a good year to trade down for a nice haul of picks.

We will see.


Its virtually impossible to develop 2 backup QB's, there just aren't enough snaps in the day. One will get backup snaps and one will get scout team/PS (which is nothing). Its different than Brady and Garapolo, Garapolo was the backup. This would be like Brady, Grapaolo, and whoever their 3rd string was, and developing the 3rd string.
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