But if we do take a QB. Hope it's Allen. Upside is huge. Rosen has Bradford type written all over him. Darnold has the tools. He just screams bust to me. not a great decision maker. Would rather take Barkley or Nelson if we stay at 2.
Taylor is an obvious stopgap solution for Cleveland, meaning Cleveland is eyeing one of the QBs. With the Jets moving in at 3 and signaling QB, it means that pick #2, whether the Giants make that pick or another team, will have to be a QB. If Cleveland wants a QB, they have to take him at #1.
Barkley will be the 4th pick. My guess is Cleveland will stay at that spot and grab him there.
RE: Barkley isn't going 1 now. He's almost locked in at 4 IMO. Â
Taylor is an obvious stopgap solution for Cleveland, meaning Cleveland is eyeing one of the QBs. With the Jets moving in at 3 and signaling QB, it means that pick #2, whether the Giants make that pick or another team, will have to be a QB. If Cleveland wants a QB, they have to take him at #1.
Barkley will be the 4th pick. My guess is Cleveland will stay at that spot and grab him there.
Why does 2 have to be a qb? We could very easily take Barkley
Yup. Rosen going 2 to the Giants and Allen going 3 to the Jets. Most likely the Broncos, Bills or Cardinals will try to move up to 4 and take Baker Mayfield.
Yup. Rosen going 2 to the Giants and Allen going 3 to the Jets. Most likely the Broncos, Bills or Cardinals will try to move up to 4 and take Baker Mayfield.
Okay trade back to five and take Barkley lol QBs go first four
Taylor is an obvious stopgap solution for Cleveland, meaning Cleveland is eyeing one of the QBs. With the Jets moving in at 3 and signaling QB, it means that pick #2, whether the Giants make that pick or another team, will have to be a QB. If Cleveland wants a QB, they have to take him at #1.
Barkley will be the 4th pick. My guess is Cleveland will stay at that spot and grab him there.
Why does 2 have to be a qb? We could very easily take Barkley
I believe someone will make us an offer we can't refuse if we don't want a QB at #2. That pick has greatly increased in value since the Jets moved to #3.
A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win.
A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win.
Cowboys oline? Awesome
Running game? Awesome
Defense? Above average
A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win.
Year 2011
Eli Manning (Top 3 in MVP race) only time he has played that way
Running game: Terrible
Oline: Terrible
Eli MVP Manning willed an average 9-7 Giants team to a SB
You tell me if the QB is not the #1 reason you win in February
Having a dope oline, dope RB and solid defense gives you
A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win.
Year 2011
Eli Manning (Top 3 in MVP race) only time he has played that way
Running game: Terrible
Oline: Terrible
Eli MVP Manning willed an average 9-7 Giants team to a SB
You tell me if the QB is not the #1 reason you win in February
Having a dope oline, dope RB and solid defense gives you
13-3 season and one and done like the Cowboys.
Okay, or you can look at the eagles from past year in playoffs they really leaned on run game and defense until super bowl...
Run game and defense can get to the big game and can win the big game. Not saying you don't need a QB but look at Denver with Peyton....he was HORRIBLE as a passer and they destroyed the Panthers because of their defense and run game
A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win.
Year 2011
Eli Manning (Top 3 in MVP race) only time he has played that way
Running game: Terrible
Oline: Terrible
Eli MVP Manning willed an average 9-7 Giants team to a SB
You tell me if the QB is not the #1 reason you win in February
Having a dope oline, dope RB and solid defense gives you
What's gonna happen is that QBs will go 1, 2, and 3. And then the Brownies will want to pick Barkley 4th, but they'll still entertain offers for their 4th pick. If a bidding war erupts for the 4th and final QB in Round 1, then they can look at dropping down, but not too far.
IF Buffalo, Arizona, and Denver make offers to Cleveland for their 4th pick, but Denver's offer is competitive, you deal with Denver if you're the Browns and only drop down one pick to 5th overall and still get your guy in Barkley plus some extra picks for nothing: Broncos get their QB and Browns get their stud RB who they could have taken 1st overall or 4th overall while netting even more picks.
Broncos won't have to pay much to climb from 5th to 4th, but you can ask for more when a QB derby/bidding war is under way.
Giants had a stout oline,Jacobs and Bradshaw that killed people and a QB who simply didnt make mistakes. Then you have the Eagles this year, the Jaguars this year, the list goes on. No one is saying you dont need good QB play but good QB play alone is not going to win most often.
A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win.
So what you are saying is it is impossible for the Giants to win with a star QB?
SO if the Giants take an OL Guard in round 2, a CB in round 3 and if you follow football at all in you would have noted the many fine RB's selected in rd 4 that did extremely, extremely well -- you think ONLY the Giants can win if they take the RB with the 2nd pick?
Absurd.
Heck even they could go with a RB in rd 3 and a corner in rd 4 and still have strong potential.
Except youre doing a whole lot of assuming there Â
I didnt say any of that. Youre simply looking for an argument.
No. You've made it a point to not take a QB with the 2nd pick. ANd this is your reason. How could you possibly suggest not taking a QB when you knwo the Giants appeared to have fixed their Oline, appeared to have good enough receivers, appeared to have a good defensive appeared, appeared to have fixed their lb issues, appeared to have acceptable safeties.
Then how does your comment below show that the Giants shouldn't take a QB with the 2nd pick and the RB is the only way to go? As described above and with the draft picks I suggested to you-- can't the Giants have what you suggested below without going after the RB and still getting the QB with the 2nd pick?
"A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win."
Giants had a stout oline,Jacobs and Bradshaw that killed people and a QB who simply didnt make mistakes. Then you have the Eagles this year, the Jaguars this year, the list goes on. No one is saying you dont need good QB play but good QB play alone is not going to win most often.
Denver won with the defense, not a strong running game. They had a great defense like the Ravens had. Those things can get you a good 1 year of great play and if you are lucky a ring. But you think that Nick Foles would have won the ring if he was the starter day 1?
Nobody is saying you do not need the pieces around the qb. But those pieces are much easier to find when you have a franchise qb. A franchise qb can mask a lot of issues. What cannot be masked by a great line or running game is if the qb cannot win games in the clutch....
You get the qb and things fall into place...Many here are thinking backwards...I feel that if we had Dave Brown or Danny Kanel at qb today you guys would say...QB but since it is Eli on the team, we cannot take qb and advance the end of the Eli era....
if you go into a draft with the intent on picking a position instead of a player the chance of picking the wrong guy increases pretty good. Im not going to cry if the Giants draft a QB, but if they do they better hope theyre right.
If the Giants mindset is that Darnold is the top QB Â
and the Browns take him, i dont want the Giants taking Josh Allen just because they need an Eli replacement. If their top QB is Darnold and the Browns take Rosen i would hope the Giants take Darnold. Unlike some of these guys my mind is not closed
if you go into a draft with the intent on picking a position instead of a player the chance of picking the wrong guy increases pretty good. Im not going to cry if the Giants draft a QB, but if they do they better hope theyre right.
You said you want an offensive line.
Then you went on to explain you need to cover all positions.
If the Giants take a guard in the 2nd round, won't they have a pretty good offensive line? OFc it depends who is there. But do you think all the starting guard caliber offensive linemen will be gone early before the Giants pick in rd 2?
The Giants can still be really good if they take the QB with the 2nd pick, right? And they can still have a good offensive line if they take a quality guard in rd 2, right? More than likely there won't be a run on guards before the Giants select in rd 2, right?
RE: If the Giants mindset is that Darnold is the top QB Â
and the Browns take him, i dont want the Giants taking Josh Allen just because they need an Eli replacement. If their top QB is Darnold and the Browns take Rosen i would hope the Giants take Darnold. Unlike some of these guys my mind is not closed
Ohhh good god thank you for telling us how open minded you are. So Mr. Genius tell us something....If DG loves Darnold and he is not there but thinks Rosen or Allen are franchise potential talents. But feels Barkely is a better football player and takes him and you do jumping jacks of joy...Tell me what happens after next year when Eli continues his 6 season streak of average football and more decline shows...You think Webb who DG did not draft is the bet to be the next franchise qb? If he falls flat and is nothing more than serviceable. What now? I mean we have GENERATIONAL RB Barkely...Maybe he can outrun a whole defense and maybe throw the ball to himself.
What is your answer then? Because I can give you a ton of answers if we had a Franchise qb and our next 12 years are set. I can find you a rb who will be as productive or close to in the 4th or 5th round. I can find you a Guard who can be a plug in LG and be solid in the later rounds
You are not sticking a later rounds qb or signing one in FA to be the guy who carries the torch. Unless you think Joe Montana or Tom Brady situations are happening often
Theyre going to pick who they pick, same as every other team. You guys just want to argue on the premise that your point trumps all others. Again, i hope we draft the best football player available in a position that matters. I also wouldnt draft OL just because we need OL. Its just stupid to draft positions instead of players according to their grade. If their QB is their draft him, if not take Barkley or trade down. If they draft a QB and he busts we wasted a pick AND go to QB hell.
Theyre going to pick who they pick, same as every other team. You guys just want to argue on the premise that your point trumps all others. Again, i hope we draft the best football player available in a position that matters. I also wouldnt draft OL just because we need OL. Its just stupid to draft positions instead of players according to their grade. If their QB is their draft him, if not take Barkley or trade down. If they draft a QB and he busts we wasted a pick AND go to QB hell.
Noo-- go back on this thread. You said you want an Offensive Line.
Then you explained later that you need all positions.
If you are okay in accepting that the Giants possibly can be fine and aren't against taking the QB if they like the QB and still possibly can be a good team, then we have no argument.
My point of contention was that you specifically said the Giants need an offensive line?
The point I was making is that we could use more than one position Â
What I said was I want a team with a good OL that can run the ball and play defense. You thought that I meant we should spend the #2 pick on OL. If it was my pick I probably dont take a G at #2 knowing that I could trade down and get that same G plus about 5 additional picks, which would be my preference if we dont go QB or dont have Barkley with a high enough grade. There is good value in this draft at both G and RB and the QBs are of course very limited like always.
I would be pretty upset if we took Mayfield because I think he is another Tebow but thats just my personal opinion and probably the only player im a definite no on.
if you go into a draft with the intent on picking a position instead of a player the chance of picking the wrong guy increases pretty good. Im not going to cry if the Giants draft a QB, but if they do they better hope theyre right.
You said you want an offensive line.
Then you went on to explain you need to cover all positions.
If the Giants take a guard in the 2nd round, won't they have a pretty good offensive line? OFc it depends who is there. But do you think all the starting guard caliber offensive linemen will be gone early before the Giants pick in rd 2?
The Giants can still be really good if they take the QB with the 2nd pick, right? And they can still have a good offensive line if they take a quality guard in rd 2, right? More than likely there won't be a run on guards before the Giants select in rd 2, right?
Can the Giants be very good if they don't take a QB at #2??
Theyre going to pick who they pick, same as every other team. You guys just want to argue on the premise that your point trumps all others. Again, i hope we draft the best football player available in a position that matters. I also wouldnt draft OL just because we need OL. Its just stupid to draft positions instead of players according to their grade. If their QB is their draft him, if not take Barkley or trade down. If they draft a QB and he busts we wasted a pick AND go to QB hell.
This. Reaching for need over value is what crummy GMs like Reese do time and time again.
Big arm, cold weather QB. Rugged. Might remind them of a guy who torched em for so long....
I think the Giants are Rosen or Allen
Barkley will be the 4th pick. My guess is Cleveland will stay at that spot and grab him there.
Barkley will be the 4th pick. My guess is Cleveland will stay at that spot and grab him there.
Why does 2 have to be a qb? We could very easily take Barkley
Yup. Rosen going 2 to the Giants and Allen going 3 to the Jets. Most likely the Broncos, Bills or Cardinals will try to move up to 4 and take Baker Mayfield.
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Yup. Rosen going 2 to the Giants and Allen going 3 to the Jets. Most likely the Broncos, Bills or Cardinals will try to move up to 4 and take Baker Mayfield.
Okay trade back to five and take Barkley lol QBs go first four
Exactly
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Taylor is an obvious stopgap solution for Cleveland, meaning Cleveland is eyeing one of the QBs. With the Jets moving in at 3 and signaling QB, it means that pick #2, whether the Giants make that pick or another team, will have to be a QB. If Cleveland wants a QB, they have to take him at #1.
Barkley will be the 4th pick. My guess is Cleveland will stay at that spot and grab him there.
Why does 2 have to be a qb? We could very easily take Barkley
I believe someone will make us an offer we can't refuse if we don't want a QB at #2. That pick has greatly increased in value since the Jets moved to #3.
You're right because in real life you are an NFL GM and only post here as a hobby...
I want the best player available that fills a need, don’t care what position they play.
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might as well ask for a punter. I question if they realize this is the NFL or Madden fantasy mode
I want the best player available that fills a need, don’t care what position they play.
You never know, maybe GENERATIONAL TALENT Barkely or Nelson can take snaps and play qb in the coming years.
Cowboys oline? Awesome
Running game? Awesome
Defense? Above average
QB play? Detrimental
Year 2011
Eli Manning (Top 3 in MVP race) only time he has played that way
Running game: Terrible
Oline: Terrible
Eli MVP Manning willed an average 9-7 Giants team to a SB
You tell me if the QB is not the #1 reason you win in February
Having a dope oline, dope RB and solid defense gives you
13-3 season and one and done like the Cowboys.
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A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win.
Year 2011
Eli Manning (Top 3 in MVP race) only time he has played that way
Running game: Terrible
Oline: Terrible
Eli MVP Manning willed an average 9-7 Giants team to a SB
You tell me if the QB is not the #1 reason you win in February
Having a dope oline, dope RB and solid defense gives you
13-3 season and one and done like the Cowboys.
Okay, or you can look at the eagles from past year in playoffs they really leaned on run game and defense until super bowl...
Run game and defense can get to the big game and can win the big game. Not saying you don't need a QB but look at Denver with Peyton....he was HORRIBLE as a passer and they destroyed the Panthers because of their defense and run game
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A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win.
Year 2011
Eli Manning (Top 3 in MVP race) only time he has played that way
Running game: Terrible
Oline: Terrible
Eli MVP Manning willed an average 9-7 Giants team to a SB
You tell me if the QB is not the #1 reason you win in February
Having a dope oline, dope RB and solid defense gives you
13-3 season and one and done like the Cowboys.
Years 2012-2017
Running Game: Terrible
O-Line: Terrible
QB: Terrible
Time to rebuild the fortress!
IF Buffalo, Arizona, and Denver make offers to Cleveland for their 4th pick, but Denver's offer is competitive, you deal with Denver if you're the Browns and only drop down one pick to 5th overall and still get your guy in Barkley plus some extra picks for nothing: Broncos get their QB and Browns get their stud RB who they could have taken 1st overall or 4th overall while netting even more picks.
Broncos won't have to pay much to climb from 5th to 4th, but you can ask for more when a QB derby/bidding war is under way.
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Well there's a hot take.
Giants had a stout oline,Jacobs and Bradshaw that killed people and a QB who simply didnt make mistakes. Then you have the Eagles this year, the Jaguars this year, the list goes on. No one is saying you dont need good QB play but good QB play alone is not going to win most often.
So what you are saying is it is impossible for the Giants to win with a star QB?
SO if the Giants take an OL Guard in round 2, a CB in round 3 and if you follow football at all in you would have noted the many fine RB's selected in rd 4 that did extremely, extremely well -- you think ONLY the Giants can win if they take the RB with the 2nd pick?
Absurd.
Heck even they could go with a RB in rd 3 and a corner in rd 4 and still have strong potential.
No. You've made it a point to not take a QB with the 2nd pick. ANd this is your reason. How could you possibly suggest not taking a QB when you knwo the Giants appeared to have fixed their Oline, appeared to have good enough receivers, appeared to have a good defensive appeared, appeared to have fixed their lb issues, appeared to have acceptable safeties.
Then how does your comment below show that the Giants shouldn't take a QB with the 2nd pick and the RB is the only way to go? As described above and with the draft picks I suggested to you-- can't the Giants have what you suggested below without going after the RB and still getting the QB with the 2nd pick?
"A running game and a defense, because in the end thats how you win. Even if you have a HOF QB he still needs an OL a running game and a defense or he doesnt win."
Giants had a stout oline,Jacobs and Bradshaw that killed people and a QB who simply didnt make mistakes. Then you have the Eagles this year, the Jaguars this year, the list goes on. No one is saying you dont need good QB play but good QB play alone is not going to win most often.
Denver won with the defense, not a strong running game. They had a great defense like the Ravens had. Those things can get you a good 1 year of great play and if you are lucky a ring. But you think that Nick Foles would have won the ring if he was the starter day 1?
Nobody is saying you do not need the pieces around the qb. But those pieces are much easier to find when you have a franchise qb. A franchise qb can mask a lot of issues. What cannot be masked by a great line or running game is if the qb cannot win games in the clutch....
You get the qb and things fall into place...Many here are thinking backwards...I feel that if we had Dave Brown or Danny Kanel at qb today you guys would say...QB but since it is Eli on the team, we cannot take qb and advance the end of the Eli era....
You said you want an offensive line.
Then you went on to explain you need to cover all positions.
If the Giants take a guard in the 2nd round, won't they have a pretty good offensive line? OFc it depends who is there. But do you think all the starting guard caliber offensive linemen will be gone early before the Giants pick in rd 2?
The Giants can still be really good if they take the QB with the 2nd pick, right? And they can still have a good offensive line if they take a quality guard in rd 2, right? More than likely there won't be a run on guards before the Giants select in rd 2, right?
Ohhh good god thank you for telling us how open minded you are. So Mr. Genius tell us something....If DG loves Darnold and he is not there but thinks Rosen or Allen are franchise potential talents. But feels Barkely is a better football player and takes him and you do jumping jacks of joy...Tell me what happens after next year when Eli continues his 6 season streak of average football and more decline shows...You think Webb who DG did not draft is the bet to be the next franchise qb? If he falls flat and is nothing more than serviceable. What now? I mean we have GENERATIONAL RB Barkely...Maybe he can outrun a whole defense and maybe throw the ball to himself.
What is your answer then? Because I can give you a ton of answers if we had a Franchise qb and our next 12 years are set. I can find you a rb who will be as productive or close to in the 4th or 5th round. I can find you a Guard who can be a plug in LG and be solid in the later rounds
You are not sticking a later rounds qb or signing one in FA to be the guy who carries the torch. Unless you think Joe Montana or Tom Brady situations are happening often
Noo-- go back on this thread. You said you want an Offensive Line.
Then you explained later that you need all positions.
If you are okay in accepting that the Giants possibly can be fine and aren't against taking the QB if they like the QB and still possibly can be a good team, then we have no argument.
My point of contention was that you specifically said the Giants need an offensive line?
I would be pretty upset if we took Mayfield because I think he is another Tebow but thats just my personal opinion and probably the only player im a definite no on.
I just have opinions like everyone else
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if you go into a draft with the intent on picking a position instead of a player the chance of picking the wrong guy increases pretty good. Im not going to cry if the Giants draft a QB, but if they do they better hope theyre right.
You said you want an offensive line.
Then you went on to explain you need to cover all positions.
If the Giants take a guard in the 2nd round, won't they have a pretty good offensive line? OFc it depends who is there. But do you think all the starting guard caliber offensive linemen will be gone early before the Giants pick in rd 2?
The Giants can still be really good if they take the QB with the 2nd pick, right? And they can still have a good offensive line if they take a quality guard in rd 2, right? More than likely there won't be a run on guards before the Giants select in rd 2, right?
Can the Giants be very good if they don't take a QB at #2??
This. Reaching for need over value is what crummy GMs like Reese do time and time again.