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Yes...I'm getting Sucked in to Optimism

Rafflee : 3/18/2018 9:00 am
I dismiss everything this regime says about Eli's present talent level and their approach---I cannot dismiss what they've been doing.

They have been in strong aquisition mode regarding the weak points of this team.... beyong the Talk, I expected a heavy rotation of players OUTWARD in exchange for Youth, Draft Picks, Cap Room--- that's not what's happening on the Major Points of the roster moves they've made.

They're acting like They Believe Their Talk....and, when the actions match the words, Who am I to disagree???

I remain hopeful that they see a Franchise QB at 2---that's my only explanation for the fact that the Jets moved to 3....after all, if the pick was available, the Jets would be sitting at 2 today...... and the Giants would have a boatload of picks. The Giants stayed at 2..... That's another big message based on the actions of this regime.

I am always happy when my team is acting on a strong belief---they abviously are doing that.
I would temper the enthusiasm.  
UberAlias : 3/18/2018 9:10 am : link
I think the trade for the LB was nice. As far as OLine, soldier is a very good upgrade but they missed out on their top choice and otherwise the guys we lost signed for bigger deals than who we brought in. There is much work to be done.

By far this offseason rests on what they do with the top pick. Pass on the next great young QB and they blew a career defining opportunity. Drafting a bust is a fireable offense. What about the Odell contract? Did we get the right man at HC?

It’s easy to love things because they are different. But the big questions still remain and this administration needs to earn their trust. Blind faith? That’s going to dissolve quickly if they blow any of the above.
We still have a lot of holes  
Giants86 : 3/18/2018 9:20 am : link
On this team. We have no kicker or punter. It’s too early for me to get excited
You should have optimism, this roster has good players (holes too)  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2018 9:22 am : link
the question is will the former balance out the latter? You don't need to look much further than the Jets though, who were "better" last year, but whose roster is more in line with what you'd call a rebuilding team. They'd give Josh Mccown's right arm to have 2 young pro bowl level skill players like Beckham and Engram.

In the last few years terrible OL play and bad coaching crippled everything positive about this team. Hopefully, both will have been upgraded enough to make a difference by the end of this offseason. They are off to a good start.
my biggest concern is Eli underthrowing or over throwing passes  
gtt350 : 3/18/2018 9:29 am : link
and causing injuries. He wiped out the whole starting WR lineup and it and he can do it again.
They arent going to lose 13 games again  
UberAlias : 3/18/2018 9:31 am : link
But the big questions facing this new administration are unknowns. There was so much optimism entering into last season. Until we see how they handle the draft, what we have in the new coach, how they address Odell contract situation, this new group is has much to prove. This team in general has shown little of late to deserve my giving them the benefit of the doubt. It’s easy to envision how this can go bad.
RE: my biggest concern is Eli underthrowing or over throwing passes  
Eric on Li : 3/18/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 13872341 gtt350 said:
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and causing injuries. He wiped out the whole starting WR lineup and it and he can do it again.


The bigger issue for our receivers was defenders dialed into the quick slant passing attack and tee'ing off on our receivers because they could anticipate what we were doing without any fear of a running game. Need to get back to having some element of physicality on offense.
RE: my biggest concern is Eli underthrowing or over throwing passes  
Poktown Pete : 3/18/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13872341 gtt350 said:
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and causing injuries. He wiped out the whole starting WR lineup and it and he can do it again.


Eli's never been consistently good at hitting crossing routes without the receiver having to break his stride. Once in a while the ball is there, but all too often the ball is behind, way above, or at the receivers feet. We've seen quite a few guys get creamed that way, especially the TE's of a few years ago (Kevin Boss anyone?). This had never been one of Eli's strength's. Is he getting worse is a legitimate question.
RE: my biggest concern is Eli underthrowing or over throwing passes  
KingBlue : 3/18/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13872341 gtt350 said:
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and causing injuries. He wiped out the whole starting WR lineup and it and he can do it again.


Dumb...
RE: RE: my biggest concern is Eli underthrowing or over throwing passes  
KingBlue : 3/18/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13872358 Poktown Pete said:
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and causing injuries. He wiped out the whole starting WR lineup and it and he can do it again.



Eli's never been consistently good at hitting crossing routes without the receiver having to break his stride. Once in a while the ball is there, but all too often the ball is behind, way above, or at the receivers feet. We've seen quite a few guys get creamed that way, especially the TE's of a few years ago (Kevin Boss anyone?). This had never been one of Eli's strength's. Is he getting worse is a legitimate question.


Dumb...
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Poktown Pete : 3/18/2018 10:48 am : link
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and causing injuries. He wiped out the whole starting WR lineup and it and he can do it again.



Eli's never been consistently good at hitting crossing routes without the receiver having to break his stride. Once in a while the ball is there, but all too often the ball is behind, way above, or at the receivers feet. We've seen quite a few guys get creamed that way, especially the TE's of a few years ago (Kevin Boss anyone?). This had never been one of Eli's strength's. Is he getting worse is a legitimate question.



Dumb...


and dumber.
Football got them hurt..Not Eli  
Rafflee : 3/18/2018 10:55 am : link
so dumb!
you dumb and dumber guys  
gtt350 : 3/18/2018 10:56 am : link
have rose colored glasses on
RE: Football got them hurt..Not Eli  
Poktown Pete : 3/18/2018 11:04 am : link
In comment 13872453 Rafflee said:
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so dumb!


And Eli is as sharp as he was 12 years ago... Sure.
Tempered enthusiasm is fine. But spare me the wet blanket  
Mark C : 3/18/2018 11:05 am : link
insistence that this has no chance of being anything less than a two or three year rebuild. NFL teams get good and bad in a hurry. This team has talent that has been horrendously coached for two seasons. Obviously an infusion of talent is needed, but it's also logical to expect better performances out of many of the present players, IMO.

Philly has taken some real roster hits since the SB, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the Giants ended up competing for a division title next season.
Optimism is not allowed on this Board.  
GMen23 : 3/18/2018 11:35 am : link
Everything good, 2016, was an aberration. Like Collins in the running for Defensive Player of the year. Everything bad, is where we are headed. We need some Anthony Robbins on this forum.

I'm sure no one wants to read positive analysis of our team here. Keep your positivity to yourself. Give me more Doom and Gloom.
It is actually hard not to be optimistic, especially when the rest of  
Ivan15 : 3/18/2018 2:14 pm : link
the division isn’t doing much in the FA market.

And I would have been very disappointed if DG got Norwell but not Solder.
We would still be short a guard and a tackle with just a little more cap room to sign one lineman a little better than Ohmayah (sp). We probably would be stuck with Flowers and Wheeler battling it out for who will play LT and who would play RT.
RE: my biggest concern is Eli underthrowing or over throwing passes  
EricJ : 3/18/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 13872341 gtt350 said:
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and causing injuries. He wiped out the whole starting WR lineup and it and he can do it again.


I am on one of the first to point out Eli's errors but at the same time, I will quickly correct someone when they are unfairly criticizing him.

I would love to know exactly how the WR injuries were Eli's fault. Suggest you go back and watch all of the replays. That is just ridiculous.

Does he throw the ball high and expose some WRs at times? YES... but these injuries are NOT why the guys got hurt. Even the OBJ injury.
To the OP...  
EricJ : 3/18/2018 2:25 pm : link
this place gets sucked in by optimism every year. Last year, people were not worried about the OL. Believed whatever bullshit spin the front office was dishing out. A few people repeated the "time to gel" bullshit that we year. Some were all in love with the idea of bringing Brandon Marshall in here and said there was no way people can stop us now LOL.

When this team SHOWS US that they can win the physical matches on the line of scrimmage, then we can start to get optimistic.

If we getting dominated again this pre-season, I dont want to see the word "vanilla" thrown around here as an excuse like the last few years. When guys are getting pushed backwards, the play being called has nothing to do with it.

Lets hope for some improvement.
I guess going from Super Bowl aspirations  
Brown Recluse : 3/18/2018 2:38 pm : link
to 3-13 last season taught you nothing.
RE: RE: my biggest concern is Eli underthrowing or over throwing passes  
Jimmy Googs : 3/18/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13872763 EricJ said:
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and causing injuries. He wiped out the whole starting WR lineup and it and he can do it again.



I am on one of the first to point out Eli's errors but at the same time, I will quickly correct someone when they are unfairly criticizing him.

I would love to know exactly how the WR injuries were Eli's fault. Suggest you go back and watch all of the replays. That is just ridiculous.

Does he throw the ball high and expose some WRs at times? YES... but these injuries are NOT why the guys got hurt. Even the OBJ injury.


Except both the throw vs Cleveland in preseason and the throw vs Chargers that ended his season were both off target and got OBJ hurt. There were unneedlessly high and where he had to reach back putting him in harms way. And neither time was Eli under duress...
I concur, Eric each WR got hurt on a poor throw  
gtt350 : 3/18/2018 6:20 pm : link
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