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FGT: Kyle Shanahan on Richburg

NINEster : 3/18/2018 11:02 am
In the FA intro press conference, Shanahan talked about how he considers a good center to be really important for his scheme because it allows versatility to block certain linebackers without assistance from guards depending on the formation.

He considered Richburg to be a top center like Alex Mack. After watching the tape and researching his character, he was the #1 OL target for the Niners this offseason.

Shanahan loves his centers about as much as he loves fullbacks and dual threat RBs.

Will be interesting to see this play out.

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Jon in NYC : 3/18/2018 11:03 am : link
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Just  
Jon in NYC : 3/18/2018 11:03 am : link
so we're on the same page, dude lost his job to a guy from the CFL.
If he's healthy  
Joey in VA : 3/18/2018 11:05 am : link
He will do well, no one believes me but I still think Richburg has it.
RE: Just  
NINEster : 3/18/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 13872470 Jon in NYC said:
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so we're on the same page, dude lost his job to a guy from the CFL.


Was it the injury proneness?
After his second season  
Jay on the Island : 3/18/2018 11:06 am : link
I was convinced that he was going to be a Giant for 10 years and make a few pro bowls. I don't know what happened to him under McAdoo but he regressed mightily. If the reasons were health and scheme then Richburg could become that player again.
RE: If he's healthy  
djm : 3/18/2018 11:06 am : link
In comment 13872476 Joey in VA said:
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He will do well, no one believes me but I still think Richburg has it.


I’m with you.
RE: RE: Just  
Jon in NYC : 3/18/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 13872480 NINEster said:
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so we're on the same page, dude lost his job to a guy from the CFL.



Was it the injury proneness?


The shelved him after a concussion, but apparently Richburg thought he could still play. Makes me think they didn't think he was much of an upgrade, if at all.
I am hoping that we get Billy Price  
Jay on the Island : 3/18/2018 11:08 am : link
in round 2. He is the type of center that this team needs. Never missed a game and is big tough and physical who handles big nose tackles well. If Jones earns the starting center job then Price could start out at RG.
Guess Shanahan ignored the 75% of the tape  
Stu11 : 3/18/2018 11:09 am : link
That Richburg spent in Eli's lap.
RE: RE: RE: Just  
Jay on the Island : 3/18/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13872484 Jon in NYC said:
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The shelved him after a concussion, but apparently Richburg thought he could still play. Makes me think they didn't think he was much of an upgrade, if at all.

With his upcoming free agency I think that the team wanted to evaluate Jones for the rest of the season to see if he was a viable option moving forward.
RE: ......  
Rflairr : 3/18/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13872468 Jon in NYC said:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


With the shitty coaching staff and scheme, Shanahan is more likely right than wrong.

Him and Flowers were better with Flaherty and Coughlin around
I practically expect him to be a pro bowler now that he's out of here.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/18/2018 11:13 am : link
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You have to go pretty far back to find tape  
George from PA : 3/18/2018 11:14 am : link
I am happy for him....if it would lead to a comp pick....even better.

But too lite in the pants for me
I own a Richburg jersey  
TommytheElephant : 3/18/2018 11:16 am : link
I was really high on him
RE: RE: ......  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13872495 Rflairr said:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



With the shitty coaching staff and scheme, Shanahan is more likely right than wrong.

Him and Flowers were better with Flaherty and Coughlin around


Flowers had his best year as a pro last year (which still wasn't great). His only year with Flaherty and Coughin was his rookie year and he was terrible.

Richburg played guard with Coughlin and Flaherty his first year and was also terrible. Much better his second year, but I thought 2016, without Flaherty and Coughlin was his best year - not sure how or if it's related though.

I tend to say Shanahan is probably right though and for the money he paid he's got the right to find out.
RE: RE: RE: ......  
RetroJint : 3/18/2018 11:26 am : link
In comment 13872514 pjcas18 said:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



With the shitty coaching staff and scheme, Shanahan is more likely right than wrong.

Him and Flowers were better with Flaherty and Coughlin around



Flowers had his best year as a pro last year (which still wasn't great). His only year with Flaherty and Coughin was his rookie year and he was terrible.

Richburg played guard with Coughlin and Flaherty his first year and was also terrible. Much better his second year, but I thought 2016, without Flaherty and Coughlin was his best year - not sure how or if it's related though.

I tend to say Shanahan is probably right though and for the money he paid he's got the right to find out.


That’s complete bullshit . Even with a bad high-ankle sprain that Flowers played with his rookie season, he was much better than he was healthy in season two.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ......  
pjcas18 : 3/18/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13872528 RetroJint said:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



With the shitty coaching staff and scheme, Shanahan is more likely right than wrong.

Him and Flowers were better with Flaherty and Coughlin around



Flowers had his best year as a pro last year (which still wasn't great). His only year with Flaherty and Coughin was his rookie year and he was terrible.

Richburg played guard with Coughlin and Flaherty his first year and was also terrible. Much better his second year, but I thought 2016, without Flaherty and Coughlin was his best year - not sure how or if it's related though.

I tend to say Shanahan is probably right though and for the money he paid he's got the right to find out.



That’s complete bullshit . Even with a bad high-ankle sprain that Flowers played with his rookie season, he was much better than he was healthy in season two.


this past season was season 3, not season 2, and it was IMO his best season.

Here is one excerpt out his performance:

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....Flowers' durability and toughness have never been in question. More impressively, the 2015 first-round pick is working on a streak related to his performance: Flowers hasn't allowed a sack in 282 pass-blocking snaps, according to Pro Football Focus.

That streak started after he allowed three sacks in a Week 2 loss to the Lions and it is the longest active streak among tackles, according to PFF. Flowers didn't allow a pressure against the 49ers on Sunday, which is only the second time in his career that that's happened.....
RE: RE: If he's healthy  
Reb8thVA : 3/18/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 13872482 djm said:
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He will do well, no one believes me but I still think Richburg has it.



I’m with you.


I agree. I think this one comes back and bites us in the ass.
RE: If he's healthy  
christian : 3/18/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 13872476 Joey in VA said:
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He will do well, no one believes me but I still think Richburg has it.


This is a pretty good take from Schwartz. If Wes can stay healthy, his lack of strength won't be such an issue in SF.
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RE: After his second season  
smshmth8690 : 3/18/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 13872481 Jay on the Island said:
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I was convinced that he was going to be a Giant for 10 years and make a few pro bowls. I don't know what happened to him under McAdoo but he regressed mightily. If the reasons were health and scheme then Richburg could become that player again.


Honestly can't think of one player that didn't regress under McAdoo.
Richburgh must have been playing hurt all this last two years  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/18/2018 11:46 am : link
because he did not have a lot of good moments on tape to account for them -- he was frequently out powered at the point of attack and allowed the pocket to be pushed up too far in the center - far too many times
A good system fit  
Peppers : 3/18/2018 11:58 am : link
Richburg is a good system fit for the outside zone. He'll do well out there if he can stay healthy. Moves very well, very athletic.. Can get out in space and find the second level. He'll just struggle in man power concepts/schemes.

From what I heard NYG would've had him back on a 1 year deal but he was determined to test the market.
Richburg  
Sammo85 : 3/18/2018 12:05 pm : link
doesn’t really fit what the Giants want to do on the offensive line going forward.

I wish him well but even when he was healthy and playing well he had some games where he got abused by defensive linemen.
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BillT : 3/18/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13872544 Reb8thVA said:
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He will do well, no one believes me but I still think Richburg has it.



I’m with you.



I agree. I think this one comes back and bites us in the ass.

Even if he plays well (and I agree that's a good possibility) it doesn't come back and bites us in the ass because we couldn't invest in Richburg given the two straight years of poor play. We just couldn't ante up a 5-year deal for him. That ship had sailed.
Shanahan sounds good,  
section125 : 3/18/2018 12:07 pm : link
but the last two years Richburg really was being beaten physically. So was he being missed used?
Two years ago around this time I said here;  
idiotsavant : 3/18/2018 12:17 pm : link
We had two choices:

Start running outside zone and play action ala Falcons (shanny)

Or get a big, 320lb + nasty guard- center -guard combo to play 'Mac ball'.

Said go gcg 123 in draft two years in a row, or to that effect.

Still not a huge fan of richburg though and think Jones is better. But we shall see.
Eye test  
JohnF : 3/18/2018 12:53 pm : link
Every time I saw Jones come in for Richburg, the running game improved, and Eli seemed to have more of a pocket. That included pre-season (or was Richburg injured then, too?).

He may do well in SF, but he was a liability here. Jones may not be perfect, but adequate is good enough until we draft a replacement. Hell, Jones may improve now that he's the starter.
Still puzzled with the Richburg story.  
MOOPS : 3/18/2018 12:56 pm : link
Got to be more to it. He said he was medically cleared to play and then placed on IR? Strange.
I remain a Richburg fan.  
Red Dog : 3/18/2018 1:13 pm : link
The guy's a good player in the right situation. But he was hurt a lot in the last two years.

Chalk up another loss to McAdouche.
RE: I own a Richburg jersey  
Hammer : 3/18/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13872504 TommytheElephant said:
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I was really high on him


So do I. I really thought he would stick around for a long time.
RE: RE: ......  
ColHowPepper : 3/18/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13872495 Rflairr said:
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ////

With the shitty coaching staff and scheme, Shanahan is more likely right than wrong.
Him and Flowers were better with Flaherty and Coughlin around
Holy Crap. On this and the other thread today Rflairr still carrying Jerry's torch for him. Hey, Rflairr, you stated ad nauseam over the past dreadful years that if Reese were fired, he'd get a job in seconds. How's that working out?
But the injury history  
giantsFC : 3/18/2018 2:39 pm : link
Chances of him being injury free are low based on his history. I’d still pass
I really would not expect...  
Giant John : 3/18/2018 5:09 pm : link
A HC whose team just spent how many millions to piss all over the guy and the decision.
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