1)Browns=S. Barkley (RB)
2)Giants=Rosen or Darnold (QB)
3)Jets=Darnold or Rosen (QB)
4)Browns=Allen or Mayfield (QB)
5)Broncos=Nelson (OG)
No way in the world are the browns going to pass up a generational RB @ #1, in the hopes he's there @ #4.
Specially, when there are 4 really good (but not great) QB's projected to go top 10.
Now if Guice or another RB were top 5-10 candidates, then yes. You might have a shot.
Even the Broncos don't need to panic after signing Keenum.
And sit @ #5. They can go Nelson, or take the QB left of Allen or Mayfield.
The 2 best players in the draft are Barkley & Nelson.
So if the Giants want Barkley, you'll have to trade UP to #1, to he him.
Giants still could yet, but if they sit @#2? Then the Giants are for sure going QB.
Just wanted to clear up some of the desperation & stupidity going around here. Lol
All of the other “stuff” is noise being spread with an agenda.
The Browns WILL NOT use their first pick on SB.
Maybe the 4th, but I think they will actually go CHubb or Fitzpatrick there. The two best defensive players in this draft.
The Giants, I think, will either draft Darnold (if he's there at #2), or trade down. Too many questions on the other QB's and too high to draft Barkley or Nelson.
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The Browns WILL NOT use their first pick on SB.
Maybe the 4th, but I think they will actually go CHubb or Fitzpatrick there. The two best defensive players in this draft.
I agree. They have Duke Johnson also. Browns of filling holes just like anyone else. They may be very well looking at defense.
As far as Barkley, he will be there for the Giants. I think it's down to a choice between a QB and Barkley, unless they get a great trade offer to move down.
The Browns WILL NOT use their first pick on SB.
Maybe the 4th, but I think they will actually go Chubb or Fitzpatrick there. The two best defensive players in this draft.
I agree with the thinking they go D at 4, and why I wouldn't be opposed to DG trading back to 5 with Denver if he's not sold on a QB. They'd get some more picks and their choice of top talent guys like Barkley, Nelson or one of Chubb/Fitzpatrick.
I can also see the Browns going RB with one of their 2rd picks. They'll get great value there, and IMO will clean up in this draft. They have six picks in the top 65 players of the draft. I don't see them trading back with anyone for more picks.
Hyde has a checkered injury history and Crowell is gone.
Hyde isn't proof that they'll pass on Barkley.
It would be foolish to draft a RB and settle for the 3rd best QB. Wont happen if they love 1 or 2 of the QBs over the rest. Or maybe they will. They’re the Browns.
I am of the belief that the Browns are NOT going to trade out of #1, and that they will take the QB they love the best. They have Tyrod Taylor there. To me, it is clear that Tyrod Taylor is not a franchise QB. They've suffered in QB hell for decades now. To trade down, or take a non-QB and then take from the QBs that are remaining at 4, I just don't see it. And no, they aren't going to lose any of their picks in a trade up to the Giants. There is no reason to.
They may trade back into the first round, sure. And perhaps they trade down from 4, but there is no good argument for a rational GM in the Browns position to trade up to #2, and there is no good argument to not take your franchise QB there, either. I think it will be Darnold, that is my belief.
NFL executive jobs aren't guaranteed forever, and Dorsey knows if he doesn't get his QB now, with the players they've brought in and with the picks they will have, they may end up not having this opportunity again. I can easily see the Browns sneaking into the playoffs this year with Tyrod Taylor.
There are no guarantees, and sure, anything can happen, but I do believe Barkley will be available for the Giants at 2.
It's more likely that he slides to 5 than the Giants trading UP for him.
Lets say the Browns go Darnold @#1?
Then someone trades up with the Giants for that #2 spot for the stud in Barkley.
BAM! Browns lose Barkley @#4 and must choose someone else or trade down.
But if they take Barkley at 1?
They're guaranteed 2 of the 4 QB's remaining in a worst case scenario.
And so what if that happens? Then Cleveland just takes Chubb, Minkah, or Nelson (can you imagine Chubb and Garrett as bookends on the defensive line?), then come back at 33 or 35 and get Guice or Penny or another RB they like. For them, it's a no-lose situation. The only way they lose is if they roll the dice and not get their QB or if they panic and trade up. Dorsey isn't an idiot. I know it's Cleveland but the guy in charge there has some competency.
Exactly!
I would prefer the trade down but while others see the Jets trade as good for us, I see it as bad. We lost a potential trade partner as the Jets have nothing left. We really only have Denver and Buffalo. But do we really want to go to 12? If Denver knows we don't want a QB I think they stand pat and take the 3rd one left. If the Browns stupidly pass on a qb at 1 maybe Denver is motivated to take the number 1 qb at 2 or maybe we can pick up a few picks from the Jets to move 1 spot and still have the same non qb options. But I think the Jets trade hurt more than it helped for us getting a windfall because it's only Denver or out of the top 10.
I would prefer the trade down but while others see the Jets trade as good for us, I see it as bad. We lost a potential trade partner as the Jets have nothing left. We really only have Denver and Buffalo. But do we really want to go to 12? If Denver knows we don't want a QB I think they stand pat and take the 3rd one left. If the Browns stupidly pass on a qb at 1 maybe Denver is motivated to take the number 1 qb at 2 or maybe we can pick up a few picks from the Jets to move 1 spot and still have the same non qb options. But I think the Jets trade hurt more than it helped for us getting a windfall because it's only Denver or out of the top 10.
First off there are four top level talent players in this draft not even counting the QBs. So depending on how the QBs are rated and drafted, the talent drop off is around 7-8 IMO. Way more than a fifth pick in a four talent draft.
Secondly, the Jets still have their 3 and next year's 1 so if DG doesn't want a QB, I can easily see him agreeing to drop back a spot with the Jets if the Jets get antsy they'll be jumped for a QB they like. Eg, what if they really like two of them and the Browns draft one of them? They could worry the Brocos trade with the Giants and nab the other QB they love.
Then the Giants would also be in position to trade the 3 to Denver so the Broncos still get a QB.
In no way do I see the trade the Jets made yesterday hurting the Giants. In fact just the opposite. The Jets made the Giants pick even more valuable IMO, by signaling to the league they're taking a QB at 3, and pretty much forcing the Browns hand to take a QB at 1. Now anyone who wants a QB (Denver, Jets) has to seriously consider moving up to 2 if they want one of the top 2 QBs.
Denver especially is in a bind if they want a QB, and conceivably 3-4 could go by the time they pick at 5. What if Buffalo offers their two ones plus more to the Browns for their 4? Denver could get screwed out of a QB.
Can't believe some people still think they are going to take an RB at #1...
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that the Browns take a QB at 1. The Jets trading up to #3 only increases those odds.
Can't believe some people still think they are going to take an RB at #1...
then why trade for Tyrod Taylor if you're going QB with the first pick
Because you want a guy who can start for you while you groom the kid. Then, Tyrod can be a solid backup for you.
Why sign Kurt Warner if you drafted Eli?
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that the Browns take a QB at 1. The Jets trading up to #3 only increases those odds.
Can't believe some people still think they are going to take an RB at #1...
then why trade for Tyrod Taylor if you're going QB with the first pick
A caretaker with a one year deal holding the spot while the rookie comes along. No need to rush the rookie right into game one. A lot different than a RB with a three year deal, and then paying top five money to another RB like Barkley. Taylor's money will be gone after this year but Hyde's and Barkley if they take him, won't be.
It makes perfect sense to me, the same way it does for the Jets to bring McCown back and battle with Bridgewater this year. Draft a rookie QB and bring him along at his pace.
then why trade for Tyrod Taylor if you're going QB with the first pick
Do you honestly think that Tyrod Taylor is the reason to pass on a QB 1st overall?? They know that every QB would benefit from not having to start from day on especially if it's Darnold or Allen which are the two rumored picks for the #1 overall pick.
No he's not, he doesn't run as well between the tackles as those guys did. That's where the top NFL backs make their living. He's more Reggie Bush than Zeke. Would you take Reggie Bush top 5?
The Jets obviously moved up to #3 to get a QB.
This means that the #2 spot will also be a QB, regardless of who picks in that spot, because any team that wants a QB of their choosing has to be in that #2 spot to avoid the Jets potentially sniping their choice. (If the Browns do they're out of luck, but there's no consensus #1 QB here, so somebody will want whoever is there at #2.) If the Giants don't want a QB, somebody will assuredly make this team an offer DG can't refuse to get ahead of the Jets.
Barkley goes off the board at #4.
The Jets obviously moved up to #3 to get a QB.
This means that the #2 spot will also be a QB, regardless of who picks in that spot, because any team that wants a QB of their choosing has to be in that #2 spot to avoid the Jets potentially sniping their choice. (If the Browns do they're out of luck, but there's no consensus #1 QB here, so somebody will want whoever is there at #2.) If the Giants don't want a QB, somebody will assuredly make this team an offer DG can't refuse to get ahead of the Jets.
Barkley goes off the board at #4.
Agreed. Cleveland comes away with the QB (Darnold) and Barkley.
I'd feel differently if they hadn't signed Hyde, but...
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Is a better prospect then zeke Tourette or Gurley. Those in the know are aware of this. He is that good
No he's not, he doesn't run as well between the tackles as those guys did. That's where the top NFL backs make their living. He's more Reggie Bush than Zeke. Would you take Reggie Bush top 5?
Ignorance.
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Is a better prospect then zeke Tourette or Gurley. Those in the know are aware of this. He is that good
No he's not, he doesn't run as well between the tackles as those guys did. That's where the top NFL backs make their living. He's more Reggie Bush than Zeke. Would you take Reggie Bush top 5?
Ignorance.
Awesome reply! You got me good!
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In comment 13872683 jtgiants said:
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Is a better prospect then zeke Tourette or Gurley. Those in the know are aware of this. He is that good
No he's not, he doesn't run as well between the tackles as those guys did. That's where the top NFL backs make their living. He's more Reggie Bush than Zeke. Would you take Reggie Bush top 5?
Ignorance.
Awesome reply! You got me good!
Honestly of all the idiotic comparisons I've read during this draft season, Reggie Bush compared to Saquon Barkley is the most idiotic. You are not the only one to make it, so don't feel too bad. It still has zero validity and reflects a complete lack of any analytical ability or simply total ignorance of the two players. I honestly think you haven't really watched much of Barkley or Bush as a collegiate athlete. And I hope you haven't, because if you have, oh boy.
It is time for the Giants to figure out the succession to Eli.
All I will say is you are so wrong. Best RB I have seen in years. No one will really know until 3 years f on now on any of these players. Injuries can and will happen to some, some will enjoy the money more than others. You have to find players who want it more. This is one of those kids who is special. For you not to see it is your problem. This kid stays healthy he will be this organizations version of LT on the O side of the ball.
But if Cleveland moves from #4, Miami and Buffalo might grab it for the QB, and Cleveland than may take McGlinchey, Brown or other LT with Thomas's retirement and gain picks.
It means he's the best prospect in the last 20 years. And that's pretty close. I would say only Tomlinson has an argument in the last 20 years of being a prospect on the level of Barkley, and he came out of the 2001 draft, so pretty close.
Faulk was the class of '94, so he wouldn't even be the last 20 years (shit I'm getting old).
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Did media use that when scouting Bo Jackson Hershel Walker Not,
It means he's the best prospect in the last 20 years. And that's pretty close. I would say only Tomlinson has an argument in the last 20 years of being a prospect on the level of Barkley, and he came out of the 2001 draft, so pretty close.
Faulk was the class of '94, so he wouldn't even be the last 20 years (shit I'm getting old).
I should've said best prospect at his position in the last 20 years.
He's a far superior prospect to Bush, even without hindsight. A better prospect than Gurley or Elliott, or anyone else since Tomlinson for sure. It doesn't matter where he would've been considered in that specific draft, it's where would Saquon Barkley rank in ANY draft. If he was in the Bush draft he would easily have gone prior to Bush, without question. With Tomlinson, it's harder to say but he might've still gone ahead of LdT.
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Is a better prospect then zeke Tourette or Gurley. Those in the know are aware of this. He is that good
No he's not, he doesn't run as well between the tackles as those guys did. That's where the top NFL backs make their living. He's more Reggie Bush than Zeke. Would you take Reggie Bush top 5?
I've been saying this to anybody who will listen .. nice player but I wouldn't take him over a Qb, He doesn't drag carry or plow through people in the box. He breaks tackles in the open field but how often do NFL runners find themselves in the open field?
I think he could and will disappoint in the pros.. Which won't be hard because the hype has gone over board.
He will be a explosive player but I'm not sure I see a 1500 yard every down runner
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we don't have the luxury of hindsight here.
He's a far superior prospect to Bush, even without hindsight. A better prospect than Gurley or Elliott, or anyone else since Tomlinson for sure. It doesn't matter where he would've been considered in that specific draft, it's where would Saquon Barkley rank in ANY draft. If he was in the Bush draft he would easily have gone prior to Bush, without question. With Tomlinson, it's harder to say but he might've still gone ahead of LdT.
This is all opinon.. no facts involved, You must not remember the Reggie Bush hype. He won the Hiesman for what was Pete Carroll dominant USC team. He was considered a can't miss game changer
Like Barkley Bush was a weekly highlight reel but of a higher magnitude.
You were maybe one of the few to not believe in Bush but with the way you're hyping Barkley I find that hard to believe
Barkley and Bush are both similar players fancy dual threat backs.. Imo with the same flaw they dont run tough inside the box